PNAC and neocon Agenda group! I need your support for it!!

[frictionlessO]

I started this thread in ATA about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=29292#29554

As per group submission rules we need a mission statement and 10 donors.

Personally I want to see a focus on these things.

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A list of all known neocons (i.e. people who might not have signed PNAC but have said they are neocons or have given full support to either PNAC or the neocons as a group)

Research and community journalism dedicated to finding out connections between the people listed (above) and groups that could tarnish the reputations of those connected with said groups. What Im hoping to find are third and fourth parties connected in such a way that would leave most Republicans with a very sour taste in their mouths.

A list of correlations between the PNAC/neocon agenda and actual actions undertaken by our government.

Listing of anti PNAC/neocon sites and links.

A listing of the factions in the right wing and their main and most divisive differences. One of the primary goals is to arm ourselves with information that we can take to moderates to show that they voted against their own beliefs.
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So does anyone else out there support this? Have anything to add? Mission statement? Something to delete?

Please post on this thread if you do!

Thanks for your interest.
peace,
fric

[Sporadicus]

1. I Lend My Support to Formation of This Group

The neocon/PNAC problem plagues all of humanity. I support formation of this group wholeheartedly.

[frictionlessO]

3. thank you! nt

[soleft]

2. I support formation of group and mission statement

[frictionlessO]

4. any ideas for a more concise mission statement? thanks nt

[soleft]

9. have you checked out the site oldamericancentury.org

You might get some ideas from their mission statement

[frictionlessO]

12. yes! I have every intention of suggesting them for the link list!!

Its an excellent site.

Does your post count as support??

on edit: whoops I see you already threw in your support! D'oh! thanks again! lol

[JHB]

5. How would this be served better by creating a PNAC forum...

...rather than having PNAC threads in other existing fora?

That's something you need to clarify before a group is formed.

[frictionlessO]

7. Good question!

It focuses the attention and threads in an investigative and informative format.

It doesnt mean there wont be PNAC threads in other areas, but it does centralize the information for those of us into the ideas I stated in the OPs both here and in ATA.

Skinner seemed to be ok with the distinctions I outlined there... are you looking for even more specifics? I am hesitant to do that because as was discussed briefly in the ATA thread we dont want to be too narrow in focus yet also not so broad as to lose the focus on the intended mission.

What are your ideas???

[FreedomAngel82]

28. I think it would be good to have

Who knows what could be discovered and useful in the future.

[frictionlessO]

29. Especially in light of the gannon thingy!

But you'll need to donate to use it... hope I see you in there!

[understandinglife]

6. I support a PNAC group. (nt)

BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7

[frictionlessO]

10. Thanks!! any ideas??

[understandinglife]

17. Would want to leverage the message delivered in ...

...."Hijacking Catastrophe."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6895.htm

And, would continue developing the "rules of engagement" with the Bu$h theocratic neoCON regime, as contributions to this group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x321092

And, would find ways to be supportive of the ongoing activities of the US Center for Constitutional Rights.

And, an essential outcome of the activities of this group is to focus the attention of those seeking election reform on the fact that we must absolutely eliminate any opportunity for software-based, secret vote counting or any other form of unsupervised vote counting.


Peace.

TBO;24/7

[frictionlessO]

18. I agree in so far as they relate to the "theocratic neocon regime"

[AlwaysDemocrat]

8. I support this group - PNAC scares me...

I want to learn more about the organization and the people involved.

[frictionlessO]

16. You are exactly the kind of person I want this group set up for.

The more we can learn and disseminate this info here at DU the better armed our members are.

Thank you for supporting this!

[Vincardog]

11. I will support this group and would suggest one change

A list of correlations between the PNAC/neocon agenda and actual actions undertaken by our government.

should be To list and PUBLICIZE the correlations between the PNAC/neocon agenda and actual actions undertaken by our government.

We need to let the people know what is being done in their name.

[frictionlessO]

14. Duly noted and fully agree! thank you!! nt

[Spazito]

13. I certainly support a PNAC forum...

I think we should all be very concerned their agenda is being carried out and is affecting many countries not only the US.

[frictionlessO]

15. yep!! totally 100% agree... its not just about us... its the whole world!

We need to focus on these people like never before.

[Steve L]

19. I support the idea

I've wanted to find a group this for awhile. I've put some time into checking things out and I believe that many current events, including the SS overhaul, the new budget priorities, new space warfare initiatives, obviously the Iraq war, and our evolving foreign policy, was laid out in PNAC documents as early as '99 and 2000. Also important are links to things such as the earlier "Wolfowitz Doctrine".

One idea would be to have a group research project of sorts with different members researching different areas.

[frictionlessO]

21. Those are great Ideas Steve, but you'll need to donate

in order to use the group.

The different group projects and doing research is what I meant by community journalism. So yeah thats a definite must!
Thank you and welcome to DU!!

[Steve L]

24. Yeah, I'm in!

Keep me posted as how to get involved, donate, etc...

[frictionlessO]

26. heres the link to the DU donation page

http://www.democraticunderground.com/donate.html

Funny enough it was a group, and two posters in the lounge that made me want to donate my first time.

Welcome welcome welcome!

[realisticphish]

20. I fully support it

we need to bring this stuff to people's attention, and make them understand that it is NOT just "conspiracy theory" stuff


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[frictionlessO]

25. thats right on! this is very very real and a lot of it is right out there

in the open! hiding in plain site, but so many people dont even know about them... on both sides of the aisle!

thanks for supporting!

[Avalux]

22. Good idea - I'll support it

I just heard Robert Kagan on NPR....speaking about Condisleeza's trip to Europe and the US's relationship with the UN. He stated that we should try to work with the UN, but we shouldn't allow them to get in the way of our goals. I know what he means because I know who he is.
When giving Mr. Kagan's credentials - NPR did not mention of PNAC.

[frictionlessO]

23. And that is exactly what I am talking about!!

That is sooooo very much the sort of thing we want to piece together. Mr. Kagan prepare to be unmasked!

[frictionlessO]

27. two more is all we need folks! come on lend your support!

boy this is tough duty keeping this kicked today!! Its hard work, really hard work, LOL!!

[frictionlessO]

30. C'mon, DUers I know that more of you have had to look at this

than 10 or so, please if you have a star lend this group your support.

Seriously Im begging you all, only two more needed!

[The Minus World]

31. I will lend my support.

You don't know how many Republican relatives I've tried to inform about the PNAC - they absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is a group of militant right-wingers who are playing wargames with America's foreign policy strategies.

[frictionlessO]

34. I am very much in the same boat as you.

Mine refuse to believe it as well.

thank you for your support!

[frictionlessO]

35. we've got 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!

Thank you all very much!

[WritersBlock]

38. I support it, too (better late than never)

Sorry, didn't see this earlier.

I wholeheartedly support this forum (didn't plan on flying anywhere during this lifetime anyway, and those civil rights are long gone...)

I would like to see a focus on how the Iraq war was sold to the country with buzzwords taken almost directly out of PNAC's letters & documents.

Phrases such as:

"weapons of mass destruction"
"containment of Saddam Hussein"
"biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons"
"US policy should have as its explicit goal removing Saddamn Hussein's regime from power and establishing a peaceful & democratic Iraq in its place."

All that's just from one letter. I won't even go into the little matter of the "new Pearl Harbor" in this post (except to say that the reference is on page 51 of "Rebuilding America's Defenses" from the PNAC website - gee, wasn't that convenient for them?)

Ooooh, yes indeedy-do, I definitely support this forum!


(Quotations from a letter to Newt Gringrich & Trent Lott, 29 May 1998, complaining that Clinton didn't do anything when they asked him to get rid of Saddam. Signed by such notables as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, & William Kristol.)

[frictionlessO]

40. Oh!!!! You are going to be a lot of fun to have around!!!

This is going to be a most excellent exchange of information and ideas.

Now that I know that there is at least 13 of us out here who want to explore it in depth this way... well I feel like we are some musically political street gang ala West Side Story meets Hair meets The Wall or Wizard of Oz... I'm not sure on that last one yet :shrug: maybe both?

[Zhade]

32. I fully support this, but be warned, some will be very angry.

See, there are a few Dems who support PNAC and its policies, up to and including formally endorsing their views and goals in writing (Will Marshall, you fucking traitor, I'm looking at you).

So it will get heated, no question. That said, it is vital it be examined.

[frictionlessO]

33. Well screw anyone who lines up with PNAC!!!

DINOs or otherwise!!

[Vincardog]

36. Right where do we go from here?

Fight against the Fascists at every turn.

[frictionlessO]

37. Well at the moment we wait for Skinner to set up the group...lol.

After that as people start to post pertinent info and get comfortable with the group we'll start filtering out the best candidates for investigation. Before we get to that though we'll need to get all of the links and lists together in a few threads and maybe get them stickied to the top of the group for reference.

Other than things I stated in the OP I am personally interested in seeing what the group does organically of its own accord and whim, that'll be where any of the good stuff comes out of.

[Zhade]

42. We, of course, fully agree on this.

To hell with collaborators.

[newyawker99]

39. kick

[frictionlessO]

41. Hey!!

Its always so good to see you!!
:hi:
:toast: