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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:48 PM
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Is the growing "payolaganda" controversy bigger than watergate?
I think so.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:49 PM
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1. everything this administration has done is worse than Watergate
Who'd have thought someone would come along and make Nixon look good?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:51 PM
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2. Oh yes, don't we long for Nixon and Reagan
and WHAT, even GHWB.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:52 PM
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3. At least Nixon gave us the EPA and Foodstamps.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:55 PM
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7. Except Reagan and GHWB are very likely part of Gannongate
My brain is telling me that the sex part of this scandal is more wide reaching than any of us know.. Yet.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:58 PM
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10. I believe you but this is a path of quicksand for us.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:52 PM
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4. Yes, yes it is.
At least Nixon was just being an underhanded sleazeball with Watergate. These are truly fascist tactics that * is using.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:53 PM
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5. don't forget the patronage angle
using public funds as a reward for private/political favors.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:55 PM
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6. No
1) The press manifestly lacks the balls to police itself.

2) The reason Watergate had legs as a story turned out to hinge on issues like Nixon's enemies list (especially the fact that it featured many reporters and editors) and that Nixon himself was, to say the least, not a warm and fuzzy person, and was easy to dislike. So the press did turn on him, and part of the motivation was personal.

Chimpy McCokespoon does not inspire that degree of antipathy. (Plus they all know that hard questions "get noticed in the building.")
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:00 PM
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11. I agree, not bigger, but
it provides a nice entry of the payola scandal into the White House, clearly the Payola thing can't be blamed just on overly enthusiastic GOPers
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:05 PM
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14. I agree.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:08 PM by bushwentawol
With an overly obedient media devoid of true investigative journalism (that is unless a Dem gets a bj) there's very little hope of this or anything else going anywhere. Plus white-collar crimes are so hard to follow, one reason why it's hard to get convictions in these cases. The public and juries' eyes quickly glaze over when the minute details of financial transactions are laid out.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:20 PM
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16. and there were constant mass protests against the war
which made challenging the president more acceptable to MSM in 1972 than now.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:57 PM
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8. Payolapalooza is pervasive and growing by the day
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:01 PM by SoCalDem
which will make it harder to nail down. Watergate was about ONE event that could have laser-like attention.. This is almost too big to cover and have people wrap their brains around.. It's everywhere...in education, in churches, in municipal governments, in congress, in the White House, in news organizations, in entertainment, in radio, TV, magazines, advertising..

It's a whole concept..a philosophy.. and that will make it almost too big to take on.. I fear that snippets here and there will come out,but in the end little will happen.:(
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 12:57 PM
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9. The Busheviks are closer to Ferdinand Marcos' followers
than Nixon Republicans.

They have alreday done two or three dozen things that make Watergate look like a kindergarten milk heist.

They are as American as the original King George and his minions.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:20 PM
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17. I'd say more like Francisco Franco's followers
Christian soldiers indeed.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:02 PM
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12. It won't be
with this corrupt media.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:07 PM
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15. The real media isn't corrupt
There's a sea change happening, our Blogs are the media now.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:04 PM
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13. It's definitely 'WORSE THAN WATERGATE'
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 01:04 PM by Quakerfriend
But, will it get any attention from these evil fanatical liars??

OR WHEN will it get any attention?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:21 PM
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18. Different Time, Different Place
Watergate came after a decade of questioning and scrutinizing what our government said...and to expect that most of what was being said was a lie.

Today there's a lot of sheeple with blind obedience in a government they've been brainwashed into believing is defending them from a wide list of evils. There's a generation that has grown up in a fishbowl of "American superiority" and has been programmed to vision that "superiority" in the image of George W. Bunnypants. When he's attacked, so is the country, so are they.

These are the same folks who love watching the invasion and harp how there's never any good news. They're also far removed from the suffering this and past wars bring. They're out to create glory and empire...even though they are too buffalo'd to realize it. It's all wrapped up into be "American"...or some perceived image.

In Watergate, it was the Media that was the most distrustful of Johnson & Nixon. Now, we have a media in the hip pocket of this regime; fearful of losing money, access and their government perks.

This fire is inside the firehouse...and the firemen are sitting around saying "smoke? I don't smell anything...must be those "libruls" pulling the fire alarm again..."
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