Dammit DUers stop giving the MSM power they don't deserve!

[Melodybe]

Seriously do you have to watch that shit to appeal to your own masochistic side, or do you just like giving traitors like CNN and MSNBC power.

Media matters exists so you don't have to watch, go to their site, give them the power to inform you.

Everytime you watch the whores they suck out just a little bit more of your soul, a little bit more of your resistance.

For the last time QUIT WATCHING THAT SHIT!

Who the fuck cares what Judy whore Woodruff or Leslie Blitzer say, you know it will be what the WH wants but no, you still tune in just to have your ass handed to you.

I quit watching the MSM in October and I feel much better. I can rest easier knowing that I don't give them the fucking time of day.

When you buy TIME magazine, you give them the power, when you buy Newsweek you give them more power and more money. More power and money to lie to you and every American, more power and money to sell fascism.

WAKE UP DUers! The mainstream media crossed a line in the sand back in 2000, until they are no longer owned by GE, the Saudis, and Rupert Murdoch they are going to lie to you.

Only the Daily Show and possibly Keith Olberman, and maybe Ted Koppel and the NYT, remain immune and I am really stretching to add Koppel and the NYT, because they continue to occassionally blow the WH.

I swear I am sick of bitching about this, I am even more sick of coming to DU where people consistantly post what the whores are saying and then act surprised that they towed the WH line yet again.

I pledged not to watch the MSM months ago, I ask DUers to make that pledge and stick with it. I ask DUers to take it upon themselves to tell their families and friends to stay away from the poison that is the MSM.

Please, I beg of you quit giving them power over you and power over us, it is our only hope.

[Sweet Freedom]

1. I quit watching the first time

Smirky was selected.

[Warpy]

2. Giving them an audience

means giving their advertisers a target, and that's how those old boys make their ridiculously high salaries.

I stopped watching TV news on 11/2/04. The funniest part is how little I've missed it.

Jon Stewart is right. They're not just a bunch of fools who are distracting us with tabloid crapola and giving us a party line. They're not laughably incompetent. They are hurting us.

[tom_paine]

3. I stopped watching in 2001. I haven't regretted a minute

If I wanted State-Controlled Propaganda I would watch reruns of Soviet Isvestia TV.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Or CNN

I have not watched them either

When my dad comes to visit he gets angry that I call it what it is, state controlled propaganda

[dhinojosa]

4. What does MSM stand for?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. main stream media

I like to call them by what they truly are... teh stenography corp

[Blue-Jay]

6. Although I don't disagree with the general gist of your post,

I'd suggest that you be more careful with the word "traitor". CNN and MSNBC (among others) are certainly RW-biased, but hardly traitorous.

[merh]

8. I respectfully disagree with you.

They matter because others watch them and believe them, not because I watch them and get angry.

To stick your head in the sand and ignore their lies and spin is to play right into the hands of the folks that create the lies and want to destroy our rights.

Know your enemies. Ignorance in this instance is not bliss, it is dangerous.

To not use the advertisers and to advise the advertisers that you will not utilize their services or buy their wares as long as they support the biased MSM is one thing, to ignore the lies they are feeding the mass market is another.

[Vincardog]

12. I respectfully agree with you Merh

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. We have to oppose the lies and anybody carrying the propaganda willfully on otherwise is a Traitor to American values.
They can not support the Fascist regime and claim to be patriotic American at the same time.
VIVA

[Melodybe]

14. Bull maybe instead of knowing our enemies

which we already do know BTW, we should spend a little more time telling people to turn that shit off and a little less time trying to figure out that they are already a bunch of facist fuckwads that are hellbent on the destruction of this country, the middle class, and the rest of the world. Seriously what the fuck more do you need to know about them that only the MSM will tell you?


Maybe if more people got off their ass and quit watching tv and got out in the fucking street to protest we would get a lot more accomplished.

I respectfully disagree.

[merh]

15. It doesn't work to tell folks to turn it off.

To be able to answer to the lies and provide evidence that it is lies does work, but you can't do that if you don't know what they are saying.

Stick your head in the sand if you like, I believe in being informed so that I can answer to the distortion and lies.

[Melodybe]

17. You can know what they are saying without watching them

as I said that is what media matters is for, they watch so you don't have to.

[merh]

24. Oh, so I should let others tell me what to think and how

to perceive the coverage? Don't think so. That's what freepers do, that let others make up their mind for them.

[jus_the_facts]

26. regardless if you watch or don't....you still help further their agenda

....when you PAY them a monthly extortion fee...you're actually helping to further delude the freepers and others who're not as informed in other ways as you are by PAYING for television. :think:

[merh]

32. When you pay your utilities, for gasoline or buy their products

you are helping them. What is your answer for that?

[jus_the_facts]

33. same answer applies....

....they have us where they want us by our own laziness and willfull ignorance and collusion...the only way to make a difference at all will be to quit funding their agendas...never said it would be EASY...radical change never is...we're blinded by our consumerism which they've manipulated us with for decades...but whatever...we're all gonna suffer the consquenses of our greedy..comfy corporate controlled world...so keep the idiot box tuned in...film at 11! :eyes:

[merh]

40. Not laziness or collusion, their is power in knowledge.

One must know what the enemy is saying in order to combat it. What I find truly ironic is it is you that is promoting WILLFUL IGNORANCE. :eyes: How contradictory of you. It is not collusion to know what they are promoting as the "news" and to be in a position to provide the true facts. Watching the programs does not give them revenues, it is the consumption of their advertisers goods and services. To advise the advertisers that you will not use their products because of their support to the liars is one thing, to turn a blind eye to their spin is another.

It is our place to let them know that the majority of their consumers are not RWers and we won't drink the kool aid. We need to take the power that we, the majority, have. To believe their crap that they are the majority is to be roved. The best way to be roved is to ignore their spin. The best way to combat their spin is to know it and counter it.

[jus_the_facts]

41. the very bottom line is you buy right into their bullshit.....

...their spin is the same it's always been and no attempts at countering it is doing a damn thing...if the last 8 years haven't proved that point then I guess nothing ever will. :nopity:

[merh]

42. Who the hell said buy into their bullshit

The only way to counter it is to know the bullshit and be willing to inform everyone you know about the truth. We have to take responsibility to counter their crap and to be in a position to do that, we have to know it.

Watching it and laughing at it (or having it make you angry as hell) is totally different from "buying into it".

[jus_the_facts]

44. by all means...keep payin' that cable bill......

....but there's enough of their *spin* on FREE TV!!! :think:

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities. ---Voltaire

[merh]

46. By all means, bury your head in the sand and ignore the spin.

That is very useful in countering the lies and claiming the majority that is ours.



I would rather recognize the power I have, seize upon it and use it to my advantage rather than be "roved" into believing that they are the majority and I am powerless.

Know they enemy! But also, know your strengths.

[jus_the_facts]

48. keep your own head buried in cable news `.......

.....and you've been *ROVED* already..just WATCH! :eyes:

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities. ---Voltaire

[merh]

49. You have, that is why you will allow them to take away

all other programs available on cable, you know all those with opposing view points. Kinda like throw the baby out with the bath water. How unfortunate for you. Rove likes folks like you, you are no threat whatsoever, you find ignoring his propaganda is better than confronting it and debunking it. :nopity: How sad for you!

[kentuck]

50. I agree merh..

So long as the majority are under the spell of these propagandists, we must watch them, just as you would stand guard to keep an eye on your enemy. How else will you know when they are ready to attack and destroy you?

[merh]

52. I will not allow them to take from me any more than they have

and I will not give to them any more power than I have to. To allow them to control what I watch is empowering them and harming me.

I chose to remain informed and involved.

[jus_the_facts]

54. honestly..if I were ignoring it would I even bother debating this with you

....or even post here at all? Seems as if my point of view hit a major nerve...how dare it be suggested that anyone should turn off their idiot boxes and think for themselves all the way around....the enemy IS what it IS...watching how they spin the same old tripe they spew doesn't change it...but not continuing to fund it is the only way for the reality they have created to END...learn it..know it...LIVE IT! :hi:

[merh]

56. No, you want me to turn off cable because the idiots distort the news

on some of the channels offered by cable. That is stupid and does not harm them, it cuts off my access to other forms of media and information and does not harm them. If you don't know how they think and approach or distort the subject you cannot properly know how to defend against their lies or to protect yourself.

I would suggest you do a study of the cable industry and mass marketing. You will learn that your view point is distorted!

Here is how to be effective:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1587721

Not closing your eyes to what is going on around you in the hopes that it goes away! :silly:

[jus_the_facts]

58. obviously the *spin* has had an affect on reality......

....because you continue with the lame arguement that somehow my eyes are closed and I'm not paying attention...quite the contrary...but just keep spinning the truth to suit your reality because it doesn't take paying for cable to be aware and abreast of the illusions and lies...FREE TV is just as full of shit as what you're PAYING for.

[merh]

59. Then turn it off and ignore it, just as you do cable!

It has such an effect, doesn't it! :silly:

[merh]

51. Since you are under the impression that repeating my sig line each

time you have ended your last two posts bolsters your position, please allow me to point out to you that I DO NOT BELIEVE the absurdities I just know them - knowing and believeing are two different things. You apparently believe them and find "ignorning" them is your best defense. :nopity: Again, how sad for you!

[jus_the_facts]

53. what's sad is that you can't see reality for what it is......

....it's the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that talks...do all the debunking you want it's not changing reality one iota...only continuing to make their illusions even more grand and your job of *informing others* about the *truth* all the more difficult. :eyes:

[merh]

55. Yes, and the money that has the effect is the advertisers, not

mine! I have an impact on the advertisers. It is you that denies reality and have no impact because you would rather hide from the truth and not know what the other side is doing! Turn them off, they can't get me that way! Close your eyes, they won't get you!

Using icons does not legtimize your misconceptions nor do they alter my view as how to properly counter the lies of the other side! :eyes: Sure wish they did, but they don't! :think:

:silly: If you hate cable so badly, then work to get the local ordinances that control them altered so that they do not monopolize the industry. Get competitors interested in your area. Get your provider to consider offering packages that don't include the offenders. You have power, you just chose to not use it. Turning off the cable is just easier for you! :silly:

[jus_the_facts]

57. LOL...haven't paid for tv in over a decade...yet somehow....

...I have a much better grasp of reality and am STILL informed and know exactly what's going on in the world...hmmm I guess FREE TV is quite enough to keep abreast of the enemy...go FIGURE! :eyes:

[DireStrike]

9. Stopped watching - 11/03/04 nt

[crispini]

10. Oh, they don't know you're watching unless you've got a Nielsen box,

so who cares?

I don't buy Time or Newsweek. And I have to keep my cable because of the Daily Show and Keef. And anyway, that's what most non-political junkies watch, so it's important to keep up with it, sort of.

I mean, if you wanna tune out, that's fine, but I wanna know what people are saying. how do you think media matters finds out what they are saying? ordinary people watch and report.

[merh]

16. Thank you for making this point!

I forgot to. ;-) :hi:

[jus_the_facts]

11. mainly you should quit PAYING for 'em to piss you off....

...first and foremost...don't BUY cable or sattelites...that's ALL that'll make a difference. :nopity:

[liveoaktx]

20. Doesn't work when the ONLY television is paid satellite

and that's the only way also to watch local channels.

I'm tired of seeing blanket statements to get rid of cable or satellite. Fine if you want to, but there are shows I want to watch on television, including Democracy Now, Link TV, TDS, Cspan, Cspan2. Until/unless cable/satellite allows ala carte programming, I'm paying for what I want and I BLOCK the MSM channels so that they don't even show up in the guide.

[jus_the_facts]

25. I seriously doubt your local channels don't transmit locally...

...with towers that you could get FREE with rabbit ears...but that's beside the point...keep buyin' more commercials and feedin' their CEO's agendas.....really matters NOT what you watch...as long as you keep payin' their extortion payments every month..they've got you RIGHT where they want you regardless. :eyes:

[liveoaktx]

28. You obviously live close to a city...

and you miss the second part of what I am saying. There are shows on Dish that I am willing to pay for and they include Democracy Now, etc-one cannot see them on local channels even if somehow we were within a transmission range. You don't want to pay for or have cable/sat in your home? Fine. I do, and I use extensively the features that Dish provides to, first, block channels I don't want from even appearing and then, second, of those that do, create favorite lists so that it's pared down to being useful.

In your view, you're paying cable/sat to piss you off. In my view, I'm paying so that I can watch government proceedings on Cspan or movies without commercials or comedy like the Daily Show. You want to miss out on Cspan/Cspan2? Your choice! But it's also mine to watch.

[jus_the_facts]

31. and you ignore my point entirely once again.....

.... I'm not paying the corporate machine to keep other less intelligent people ignorant and misinformed...regardless of your personal choice the majority of people like say FREEPERS...are wallowing in propoganda and diceived...thanks to your monthly payments....you're contributing to and funding their continued stupidity...that's the reality...if they don't have your $$$$$ then they lose control...it's our only weapon against them, :think:

[liveoaktx]

34. That's a ridiculous and over-arching argument... ::think::

You buy products at the store? You're most likely paying some corporation that already is making payments to the present administration, and you're also paying for advertising and marketing that isn't only on television. Have a shirt that has a logo? Child go to school and involved in contests, Weekly Reader, etc? Buy a newspaper with opinion pages and adverts? You are paying at some level in almost all courses of this society to keep less intelligent people ignorant, minformed, and good consumers... and you can't cut yourself entirely out of the process. Your taxes are paying for a lot of things you don't agree with.

On the reverse-with my payments to Dish Network, I am also paying for them to broadcast shows that, if someone chooses, can shine some light on ignorance and stupidity-with my money, they have programming such as Cspan where I can watch congress at work. I don't want them to stop showing Democracy Now, Link TV, Cspan, etc, and I am willing to PAY for it, just like a freeper pays to watch Fox. I am contributing and funding some important shows that only appear, on television, on cable/sat.

You don't want to pay for it? Your choice, but it's naive to think that, in your life, you are somehow remaining pure and innocent from corporate payments that work to mislead and keep people ignorant consumers.

[jus_the_facts]

35. justify it any way you want....WE ARE ALL GUILTY......

....never once stated otherwise....they have us where they want us by our own laziness and willful ignorance and collusion...the only way to make a difference at all will be to quit funding their agendas...never said it would be EASY...radical change never is...we're blinded by our consumerism which they've manipulated us with for decades..whatever we're ALL gonna suffer the consequences of our greedy comfy corporate controlled world because we've been mind fucked since birth to believe we NEED any of what they pimp out....we've NO one else to blame but ourselves because we KNOW BETTER but allow ourselves the conveniences they've TOLD us we have to have to survive....oh nevermind...let's all go watch Comedy Central and go back to sleep because we've been PROGRAMED into oblivion already! :eyes:

[liveoaktx]

36. Pffffttt!!! We disagree... You feel YOU are lazy and ignorant and

colluding by nature and want to paint others the same way? Your argument of needing conveniences, etc, blah blah blah goes far beyond someone exercising control over a tv knob, choosing where to spend money for news and entertainment,etc. At any rate, done listening to your rants for control which don't respect those who not only don't agree but aren't fitting precisely into your preconception of the greedy comfy corporate consumer.

[jus_the_facts]

37. it's called REALITY.......

.....regardless of the inability to SEE the *bigger picture* for what it is! :nopity: BUHBYE! :hi:

[Demit]

13. You make a blanket generalization, then make exceptions to it, then

double back on that. You're a little conflicted yourself.

Obviously not all MSM is bad, and the bad members aren't bad universally, or all the time. That's part of the interest people have in following it. Fascination, even. That doesn't necessarily amount to giving them power over us.

[Melodybe]

21. Yes it does, I made exceptions because there are a few exceptions

Seriously find out about the issue and I can guarentee that they are saying the exact opposite of what we believe here at DU. All you have to know is who owns the station you are watching and you can know what they will say before they say it.

The guy from Time magazine had a few criticisms of Bush but over all agreed with him, every fucking time, the same shit different topics. Enough already.

Why pay people to piss you off? Why come here and act surprised?

Those that watch the MSM so that can contribute to Media Matters are exempt from this rant.

[merh]

47. Why are these folks exempt and I am not?

"Those that watch the MSM so that can contribute to Media Matters are exempt from this rant." :shrug:

I have a responsibility to my nation and the truth to try to educate the members of my personal community about the lies and distortions. There are tons of folks that do not use the internet. How do we get the message to them if we don't personally become involved in the process. Before the internet, before the media, news was spread by personal communications and that type of coverage is far more effective than the others.

Know your enemies!

[KharmaTrain]

18. Hold Your Loved Ones Close, Your Enemies Closer

I can watch CNNservative and now not trust a word...and I note their advertisers (national & local) whom I avoid. But I'm not their "target viewer".

We need to monitor and chronicle their misinformation and have places like DU and other websites that closely scrutinize them. While we may ignore or dismiss what they say, that's not the case with many politicians...who can't go to the bathroom without polling it and live inside the beltway bubble.

Ignoring or downplaying their importance in the cultural life of this country is to deny there's a problem with this country.

We now are getting hard evidence of media manipulation and corruption...this is the time we should be looking closer, not looking away.

[Melodybe]

23. That is a good point

and I will think about it.

Good post Karma Train.

[Rockerdem]

38. You are buying their product, and they thank you

They dont care whether you agree or disagree or whether you are an adversarial monitor, just as long as your eyeballs are on the tube. Or if Time or Newsweek keeps flying off the stands into angry hands. The news producers get the latest ratings/circulation numbers and present it to their advertizers. And get more lucre. Because of your concern.

Thats the way it works.

[otohara]

19. I'm Glad There Are DU'ers Watching So The Rest of Us DON'T Have To

We need to stay informed when it comes to the asswipes in MSM. I thank those DU'ers who watch and report on DU.

Shout out to the MSM reporters on DU

[MsTryska]

22. I'm thrilled for ya.

i wish i could choose to ignore, and not get mad, but the Media beloengs to ME.



ergo, i will consume as much of it as i like, criticize as much of it as needs critizing, and do what i can to change it. i'm jsut that kinda girl.


incidentally - read the "Right Wing Noise Machine" it will help you figure out hwo we got int his sorry mess in the first place.


for the short version, the Repupublicans worked the media form the late 60s onwards.

Worked it like jeff gannon.



You want to take back america? understand what they're doing it and work it even better.

[Maestro]

27. I would think that we should watch

soley to monitor what is being said then attack them for being wing-nuts. If we just ignore them, they are not going away. We certainly don't have to believe what is said. And as far as supporting them by giving them viewers and therefore ratings which brings in commercial money, it is a necessary evil. I'd rather be informed about the propaganda so I can debunk it. It hurts but we need to do that even if sites like Media Matters exist.

[mwb970]

29. Yes, but Keith Olbermann rocks!

Make an exception for KO.

[indepat]

30. I watch none of them nary a minute

[txaslftist]

39. I get almost all of my news from DU and NPR...

..that's actually kind of sad.

[onecitizen]

43. I quit

and I am sooooo much better off for it now!!

I read or listen to radio and keep my TV on TCM all day/night.


REMEMBER EVERYBODY:

These stations do not CARE WHY you listen, just that you DO listen. Sending them hate mail often has the exact opposite effect you desire.:nuke:

[Beam Me Up]

45. I quit after the selection of 2000. MSM IS NOTHING BUT BRAIN WASHING

I did watch some during 9/11 but other than that, I DO NOT WATCH MSM TV.

I get my news from DU and other non-MS sources and am incredibly well informed. FAR BETTER INFORMED than most who can only parrot the LIES told to them via the MSM.

The sooner all of us detach ourselves from the addictive TIT of MSM dis-information, the better for the US and the world.