If a Senator/Congressman doesn't vote my way, they're a DINO

[Padraig18]

Poll question: If a Senator/Congressman doesn't vote my way, they're a DINO

I'm interested in seeing what the depth of this sentiment is on DU.

[Padraig18]

1. Interesting results, so far.

4:1 'no' , while GD subject lines run 4:1 the other way. Hmmmm....

[stray cat]

3. The quieter majority maybe?

Dinos and rhinos I can handle especially if we can join together to take back the government. The enemy in my book is the radical fundamentalists and neocons that are in charge of the Republican party and the U.S. for that matter.

[Padraig18]

9. I suspect you're right.

:thumbsup:

[frictionlessO]

24. Thats is the total truth now, mordue!!

Its about the whole Earth not just Americans! We need every who can be swung to swing if we're to turn this around.

We can eat our own as soon we finish saving the world, dammit!

[Pushed To The Left]

57. Exactly!!!

Dinos, Rhinos, DFAers, DLCers, moderates...Anybody who isn't a member of the radical right needs to band together to destroy this very dangerous common enemy!

[Sterling]

65. Yes but those people are too busy working with the murderers....

Cept for the DFA of course, at least so far.

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[Padraig18]

4. Nice PA, NSMA.

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. PA?

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. feel free to hide behind that accusation if you wish :)

[Padraig18]

10. We'll see if it's an accusation or the truth soon enough. n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

5. My answer is yes 'cause I'm so moderate!

[IronLionZion]

11. What if my way is the DINO way?

:shrug: Does that mean if they don't vote my way, they are a good progressive Democrat? :P

j/k

Joking aside, very good poll. It's important that the turkeys around here realize that you can't please all the people all the time. If a politician supports your way all the time, then either he's lying or you're an idiot. It's fine and dandy to contact officials in another state about your concerns, but they are responsible for their own constituents' concerns before yours.

[ultraist]

12. I voted no BUT

if they vote for something very conservative, like today's anti-consumer bill, I'd consider that vote as a DINO vote.

If they consistently vote DINO like, they ARE DINOS. Obama does not have enough votes yet to make that call. Lieberman, on the other hand does. Furthermore, it depends on what it is they are voting for. Some issues are more critical than others. IF they voted to outlaw abortion, I'd say that one vote qualifies them as a DINO.

In other words, it's not possible to judge one on one vote and each vote varies.

[Padraig18]

14. "In other words, it's not possible to judge one on one vote and each vote

We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen!

:thumbsup:

[stray cat]

15. Understood but what about considering the state they represent.

Characteristically in the past republican senators from predominantly blue states have been more 'liberal" than democrat senators from extremely red states and visa versa.

They have to represent their constitutents or they fail in their trust to them and will also get canned. We will also be in worse shape if democrat senators from conservative states get replaced with rabidly conservative neocon republican senators. Something that continues to swing the balance of power in the senate to the radical republicans.

[Just Me]

13. As dumb as the poll may appear, I am glad you posted it.

It gives some perspective in a weird way *LOL*.

Moreover, it clarifies the "target".

If we fail to hit the "target" (those who are proposing and pushing the laws), we ALL LOSE.

I know a "DINO" when I see one. I admonish privately rather than publicly right now because an ARCH-ENEMY is in control and I HAVE to operate better than that enemy.

Therefore, I FOCUS my ATTACKS ON THE ARCH-ENEMY whose evil surpasses all ignorance, stupidity, imperfections and gullibility of all others who may vote contrary to my beliefs. AND I FOCUS MY SUPPORT on all those who confront our ARCH-ENEMY!!!

I want us to play the game better than our common, Arch-enemy!!!

Of course, that is simply my own wanting.

[Padraig18]

16. Getting some perspective was part of the reason for my posting it.

You're welcome.

:hi:

[merh]

17. This is a dumb poll.

It definitely depends on the legislation and/or the vote.

Obama - won in a landslide, had a true mandate, what has he done to date? He voted to certify Ohio votes, voted for Condi, voted for Class Action legislation -- the only thing he took a stand on was Gonzales.


He is a corporate whore and a sale out. He can afford to stand against this admin and he will not.

[Padraig18]

19. It's just a poll.

Is it possible that Obama is voting the way his constituents want him to vote?

:think:

[merh]

20. No, I know some very involved politicians in his district

they believe he is a sell out. Any other questions?

He is has no back bone, no substance. He will not have much of a future unless he just plays with the repukes and keeps them happy.

[Padraig18]

22. His 'district' happens to be called a 'state'.

It's the one I happen to live in, actually, and your 'very involved politicians' are speaking only for themselves.

:eyes:

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[Padraig18]

25. Know a lot about my state, do you?

I happen to know my state (not 'district', by the way) very well, and Sen. Obama is far from a disappointment to the voters here.

[merh]

26. That is your opinion.

You didn't respond, how do you feel about his vote to certify the Ohio votes, the vote for condi, the vote for class action litigation?

Do you approve? If you do, then you are a dino - that is conservative politics playing into the admins and the corporations hands. If the voters you know share your views, well, they are dinos too.

His record sucks and he hasn't been in office too long, has he!

Edit (state/district - its a word - harp on it all you like, they mean the f'ckin same in Illinois)

[Padraig18]

27. Actually, they don't mean the same thing in Illinois, or anywhere else.

Illinois has Congressional districts, State House districts, State Senate districts, but US Senators run statewide--- not in districts. How I feel about a given vote is immaterial--- how I feel about his record at the end of his six-year term will be what matters.

[merh]

30. Since it is statewide, it is one district.

How difficult is that to understand?

If his record is as "rosey" at the end of his six years as it is today, you will be very disappointed, just as I am disappointed today.

His voting for the class action litigation harms the people of his state, the low and middle income folks that are harmed by drugs like fen fen, vioxx, celebrex, not to mention asbestos and automobiles that are manufactured with an eye on the cost and not safety. The one's without health care, the one's who rarely have anyone to speak for them.

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. That's a pretty lame rationalization.

The only time a state is a 'district' is when it's a single Conressional seat state like North Dakota or Wyoming.

:eyes:

[merh]

37. The lame rationalization is that Obama has promise.

His record to date clearly reflects he is a sell out. The district reference was a mistake, a typo, and has nothing to do with this poll or recognizing that Obama has failed miserably. 1 out of 4 is not promise, it is sad.

[Walt Starr]

45. The Class Action Legislation bothers me

I'm on the fence as to whether or not I'll be voting for him again. And in six years, rhetoric won't be enough.

[merh]

53. How can he redeem himself? God, with this record, he might

as well be doing his internship with Liberman or Zell!

[Walt Starr]

62. He has voted with the Pukes on the floor of the Senate

three out of four votes.

I am sorely disappointed in the man and will watch all of his votes closely.

[donheld]

18. Collective voting pattern

This is what the D.I.N.O. should be based on. Never just one vote.

[Darranar]

21. Depends on the vote. But for the most part, no. n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. IF a senator votes to limit the rights of average citizens in favor of big

business, the yes he is a DINO...

The fact of the matter is his constituents may POORLY understand the intent of a piece of legislation. It is up to the legislator to understand WHAT he is voting for..that said, these senators KNEW what they were voting for..and WHO they were voting against..

So, frame this one anyway that pleases you..but a valuable remedy was taken away from average citizens today..and each and every democrat that signed that bill knew it.

http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1874
Senate on Track to Lock Consumers Out of Courthouse, Invite More Market Deception

Statement of Public Citizen President Joan Claybrook

By defeating amendments that would make the class action bill fair to consumers, the Senate made it exceedingly clear that its allegiance lies with banks, credit card companies, drug manufacturers, big insurance companies and other major corporations that fund campaigns and don’t want to be held accountable for wrongdoing.

The result of this legislation, if enacted into law, will be more abuse and deception of consumers by unscrupulous businesses, because consumers will be locked out of the courthouse.

This bill creates a classic Catch-22 for consumers. Congress will be telling consumers that class actions based on state law must be heard in federal court, but the doors to the federal courthouse will be locked. Federal judges typically don’t allow such suits to go forward; they view them as unmanageable because they are based on a variety of different state consumer protection laws. The Feinstein- Bingaman amendment would have allowed federal judges to hear these cases, but its defeat ensures that corporate lobbyists will achieve their desired results: the elimination of virtually all class actions of significance. This will occur because there is no federal consumer protection law consumers can use to seek remedies.

If this bill is enacted, as it appears it will be, corporate wrongdoers will have a green light to lie, cheat and steal without fear of being held to account. The phrase “consumer beware” will once again be the law of the marketplace.

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[cosmicdot]

29. is this motivated by the Senate vote on S.5 today ...

and the criticism Senators received because of their vote?

then, yes ...

imo, there is key legislation which is definitively Dem. vs. Rep.; for the people vs. against ... did the Democratic Platform of 2004 endorse, recommend and encourage the change to class action suits which happened today?

It's from the Boardrooms of corporate america.

Rejection of Senator Kennedy's amendment to the Bill, alone, imo, should have had all Democrats voting against the Bu$h**/Republican initiated Class Action 'Fairness' Act of 2005 ... (Fairness to whom? Corporations/Big Business ... who benefits? who wins? who loses? whose side does a 'yea' vote support) ...


There are more to things than just "If a Senator/Congressman doesn't vote my way, they're a DINO" ...


Ted Kennedy's amendment

Statement of Purpose: To amend the definition of class action in title 28, United States Code, to exclude class actions relating to civil rights or the payment of wages.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00006


a better poll might have been to find out if DU'ers supported this bill or not ... then, draw one's own conclusion regarding the DINO thing ... some things are basic and obvious ...

S.5 NAYs ---26
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

32. Hey don't let those facts get in the way of a good smarmy flame war

[Cuban_Liberal]

35. Like smarmy PAs on moderators who happen to be Catholics, NSMA?

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. Moderators are supposed to avoid contoversy

and how can you be gay and catholic? According to your church that is worthy of excommunication.

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. There's nothing controversial in asking for prayers for a sick, old man.

It's obvious from your post that you know piss all about Roman Catholicism, except for anti-Catholic, 'bumper sticker' propoganda slogans.

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

41. hmm now that sounds more like a pa

FYI..although I am Jewish, I went to a Catholic high school and am very familiar with their dogma. Sick old men that cover for child abusers don't get much sympathy from me.

[Cuban_Liberal]

42. Ya think?

You know what to do if you think it is.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. Naa..I'll let your issue speak for itself

[Cuban_Liberal]

44. What is my 'issue', exactly?

:eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. have a nice day

[Cuban_Liberal]

51. You, too. n/t

[cosmicdot]

36. yikes, it's a tag match - n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. If a Democrat votes for Bush what do you call him?

If a Senator/Congresman votes for Bush's policies, what do you call him/her?

Looks like another "poor misunderstood Democratic politicians" poll to me.

[Q]

34. Looks like you've retooled your 'purist' rhetoric...

...and turned it into not 'voting MY way'. But what if they vote against traditional Democratic values and principles? What if they vote to protect the Bush White House from accountability? What if they vote for the Bush Doctrine of aggressive wars and civil liberties killing Patriot Acts?

There comes a time when we have to admit that some Democrats are supporting Bush and his policies against the best interests of our country and people. They are worse than 'dinos'. They are traitors.

[Walt Starr]

40. Misleading poll

If a Senator/Congressman doesn't vote my way ENOUGH, they are indeed a DINO.

[Misunderestimator]

46. What's YOUR answer?

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. Is that important, for some reason?

:shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

49. Why, yes, of course... why would it not be important?

:shrug:

I haven't seen his answer and am curious.

[Cuban_Liberal]

50. Why is it important?

I fail to see the logical nexus, i.e., in what way it's even material.

:shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

52. I ask the same question in return... Why is it important? Why was the

question asked? LOL @ "logical nexus" !!! :D

Is it verboten to ask why a question is asked? Sheesh... I need to look up the rules again.

[Cuban_Liberal]

55. No, I'm still just curious why it matters?

It doesn't change the results of the poll, so one logically wonders why his answer is any more relevant than the dozens of others?

:shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

56. Well... I think it IS relevant... since it's such a clearly

outrageous poll... maybe I missed something where he's assuming that everyone has suddenly become single-issue voters? :shrug:

[Cuban_Liberal]

58. Why is it an outrageous poll?

Seems like a perfectly valid (and logical) question, especially when you look at lots of the OTHER threads in this forum.

:shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

59. I guess it would have helped if he had referenced the threads

you are talking about... I'm still at a loss.

[Cuban_Liberal]

60. Since it was 3 hours ago...

I'm not sure exactly what threads there were, either, but I do know that on any given day thee are dozens in this forum denouncing various Democrats for real (rare) or imagined (often) perfidy. I'm quite sure it referenced several of those.

[Misunderestimator]

61. Too bad I missed em... I would have been on them like flies on shit

Seems lately we have a bunch of suspicious characters posting stuff to make the rest of us look bad... It's incredibly frustrating. Anyway... my vote was No... of course.

[Padraig18]

66. Cool!

We do seem to have had a lot of 'circular firing squad volunteers' recently.

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Nice avtar!

Who's that hottie??? :silly:

Let me chime in on this whole "Reform" bullshit. While driving my ass to work on the Los Angeles freeways, I was listening to AAR. That very subject came up of Tort Reform. What I found very interesting is that ..... picture it .... Ford Motor Company .... you got your shitty as Pinto being made that will explode if someone farting on the son of a bitch. Internal documents from Ford basically said ..... "fuck it, we'll keep building these piles of shit cuz we'll lose less money fighting a law suit". Tort Reform is bullshit. What the GOP and that sorry son of a bitch (Bush) want to do is LIMIT lawsuits that would also involve class action lawsuits like the one against Ford and the Pinto.

Sorry, but I am SO pissed at Obama and his kissing the asses of the GOP. Yeah Tony and Paddi he is YOUR senator. But what he does also effects ME in California.

Thank God ONE of MY senator stood up to Condi's sorry ass.

It takes GUTS to stand up to what possibly the people of YOUR state might want in order to do what right for the rest of the nation. MY senator (Boxer) has done that. Sen. Obama acts like he's got "the memo" to shut the hell up and go along with the flow.

Oh where is Carole Mosley-Brawn when you need her?

[ScreamingMeemie]

54. It depends upon the issue.

Some votes are more important to the health and well being of society as a whole...vote against that...and I question the motive. :hi:

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