Do you think it's possible that shrub wasn't told of the warnings?

[napi21]

52 warnings! I really find it hard to believe that ANY American official would ignore these warnings. Do you think it's possible that people didn't tell him? Is it possible that Rove, Rice & Cheney didn't tell him, and wouldn't let the people from the FBE, FAA, CIA, etc get to him?

[sam sarrha]

1. in that case he should resign anyway..

[ClassWarrior]

2. No. The man is a criminal, and will do all he can to preserve his...

...family's criminal empire.

NGU.

[Downtown Hound]

3. I think Shrub's behavior on the morning of 9-11

was so bizarre that he had to have known something. Come on, did anyone in the entire country sit back and read a book to children when they heard about the attack? And this man is the president!

[FreedomAngel82]

10. I agree

Check out this site: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

It talks about Bush's day on 9/11. It's all very strange. Notice how he takes his time on everything. Like he's meaning to go slow.

[Tux]

4. Yes

He is supported by Evangelicals. A terrorists attack would rally them for the cause to protect Christianity from the evils of non-Christians and free thinkers. Consider lately the crap they have been trying to do. Bin Laden's goal was to get those fools angry and cause this mess. He knows that Evangelicals would destroy this nation without any effort from him at all.

Yes, I'm bitter. Constant unemployment is driving me mad. I think my resumes and applications are going into a black hole.

[liveoaktx]

5. Let's assume that's true- He definitely heard the August 6th PDB

and it was, at that point, if he was considered to be too stupid to understand this without slow and detailed explanation, the responsibility of people like Rice to TELL him, since SHE knew (and had, as we had confirmed today, ignored urgent requests to discuss this). There's also no way he couldn't have been informed about the security precautions for G8 that involved the same principles of attack. Finally, and it always comes down to this, EITHER he is a total incompetent moron who couldn't get out of his seat when informed that the nation is under attack OR he knew all about it and let it happen.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Also remember

That Bush claimed he saw the first plane being hit. At the time he talked about it there was no video of the first tower being hit. Malloy played that clip earlier tonight. If you haven't check out this site. It's a good 9/11 site. http://www.911review.org/

[GetTheRightVote]

6. no way in this world, he is the top dog so still responsible anyway

:kick:

[FreedomAngel82]

7. He knew

Didn't Clinton warn Bush and say he'd be working on OBL most of the time he's in office? But of course Bush went on vacation 40% of the time.

[realFedUp]

8. No, he knows everything.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

9. He knew, they knew

It was part of the PNAC plan. Let's stop pretending that they wouldn't do that." Of course they would. The ends justify...

[RBHam]

11. Conspiracy Fact...

Rice testifies before 9/11 commission: more cover-up and lies
By Barry Grey
9 April 2004
Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author

Thursday’s hearing of the national commission to investigate 9/11, which took testimony from Bush’s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was a bipartisan exercise in cover-up and duplicity. It was all the more grotesque, occurring as it did against the backdrop of US war crimes in Fallujah and other Iraqi cities that have already taken thousands of civilian lives, and led to more deaths and injuries of American soldiers who have been fed a non-stop diet of lies by those in Washington who authored the colonial enterprise.

That Rice could claim, “Today, along with many allies, we are helping the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to build free societies...to spread the blessings of liberty and democracy as alternatives to instability and terror,” without being challenged by a single member of the commission—Democratic or Republican—points to the real purpose of the commission. Its primary political task is to conceal from the American people the connection between the tragedy of September 11, 2001 and US imperialist policy in general, and the conspiracy hatched by the Bush administration to invade and occupy Iraq and seize its oil resources, in particular.

With the US government engaged in murderous actions that are inflaming public opinion throughout the Muslim and Arab world, Rice’s contention that the “war on terror” is staunching the growth of Islamist terrorism and enhancing the safety and security of ordinary Americans would be laughable, were not its implications so catastrophic.

The real question before the commission is not some “intelligence failure” prior to 9/11, but to what extent the Bush administration and top-level figures in the intelligence and military establishment pursued a deliberate policy of allowing a hijacking to occur, in order to create the pretext for implementing a pre-existing agenda of using military force to establish US imperialist hegemony in the oil-rich Persian Gulf and Caspian regions.

More truth...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/testdir/apr2004/rice-a09.shtml

[reichstag911]

12. Who cares?

If he was told, he's a criminal; if he wasn't, he's an incompetent executive. Either way, he's destined for the designation of worst American pResident ever, assuming his God doesn't "rapture" all our asses with Georgie's help, and eliminate the possibility of any future historians assessing his administration.

[Bluebear]

15. Welcome to DU reichstag!

[reichstag911]

17. Danke schön!

Sorry, just brushing up on my German for when they pass their Enabling Act...Shit, that's right, they did, but they called it the...hm, what was it now?...Oh, yeah, the PATRIOT Act. Let's see...well, we didn't have any "Beer Hall Putsch," but I think it's fair to characterize Prince George in his "youthful" drinking days (to age 40) as a "Beer Hall Putz," nicht war?

Bushland, Bushland über alles! :toast:

[BrotherBuzz]

14. Regardless if he did or didn't know, he's the CIC...

Would someone please explain to this idiot what 'The buck stops here' means?

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. If he didn't know about it, it's because he set up a chain of command

that would allow him plausible deniability. This man was never a hands on President. He delegated everything.

[reichstag911]

18. WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT HOMESCHOOLERS???

HOW DARE YOU????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

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[The Backlash Cometh]

19. I've been known to go off-tangent, but you win the award.

[reichstag911]

22. Don't I recall you on another thread?

I remember the "Backlash" handle and the avatar. There ws a little dustup between a couple of people before on another thread about homeschoolers, and I would have sworn it was you. I'll have to see if I can find it now...:silly:

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. And your point is?

This thread has nothing to do with homeschooling, thus the reason for my response. As for the comments made in another thread, I made very clear what bothered me about homeschoolers. Here's a synopsis:

I generally couldn't care less about someone's choice of education, however, the homeschoolers in my area, which are generally right-wing Christian nutcases that can't afford private parochial tuition, feel they have to justify their decision by tearing down the public school system. Nobody ever seems to defend the public schools, so I thought I would. My kids have done wonderfully in public school! I could never be more pleased. So it distresses me that so many people talk down public schools when my experiences and those of my children have been nothing but favorable.

Not only do I have to hear this crap from my in-laws but even the papers are weighing in. An article was printed in a hometown paper that nearly dedicated a full sheet of white space harolding a homeschooler at the expense of her public school teammates. She was on the team because, even if she's homeschooled, she can still try-out for public school sports, which I happen to agree with. The article proceeded to tell how this homeschooler was the nicest kid on the team and how horribly the kids last year treated her and how this year she's having a positive effect cleaning up everybody's language. It was, a public relations disaster of an article. I happen to know the kids involved and the child is sweet, but her niceness can also be attributed to being very shy and very quiet. There is at least one other girl on that team that is easily, truely a nice child. Extroverted, kind, self-sacrificing. You name it. But the article didn't recognize the other girl, nor her qualities, because it didn't fit in with the stereotype it was trying to create.

So, point one was, that I have a big problem with people who justify private school decisions by tearing down the public school. Do it if you like because your daughter or son needs one to one attention because he can't focus in big classes; do it if you like if you want to reinforce your religion; but don't tear down the public schools because there isn't enough tax dollars to customize your child's education.

Point two: Is really an outcrop of point one. Nearly half of my education was in a private school setting and the attitude of the people I met was one of snobbery. They lived in secluded, gated-community type settings, and they have always been separated by the masses. Most had jobs waiting for them at daddy's business and couldn't care less about mingling with people that they saw as potential hired help. So, if someone is going to homeschool, I assume that finding a way to get the child to mingle with kids of diverse background is also part of that education, which generally doesn't happen around here because, people justify their homeschooling decisions by tearing down public schools. Capiche? The reason they left was to get away from the people they need to learn to get along with.

Those are my grounds of disagreement. That's the kind of home-schoolers that I deal with in my area.

[reichstag911]

25. Do da name "demwing" ring a bell?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1570757#1572485

I WASN'T hallucinating...yet.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. And that has to do with Bush not getting prewarnings for 9/11...how?

You went off tangent in this thread, which I do believe they call, hijacking the thread. If you have a boner about my homeschooling beliefs, tough. If you believe in your homeschool, then do it, but don't do it by trashing public schools. That's when I'll jump into the argument and start asking some hard questions about why you can't make something work that seems to work for me.

[reichstag911]

32. And if you are a typical, humorless Dem,...

...that explains why the Dems can lose elections (sorta) to a nitwit like GW. If you are incapable of detecting irony -- a form of humor -- in my original post, meant as a joke, "tough," as you so maturely and eloquently put it.

I personally couldn't give a shit about homeschooling one way or another. On one hand, I wouldn't trust most people to housebreak a dog, much less educate their children; on the other, my experience of "professional" teachers makes me believe that their job involves more encouragement of conformity than it does actual education, and that they are frequently hopelessly inadequate people who need to be surrounded by children so they can have power over somebody...anybody. Hard choice on which is the lesser of these two educational evils.

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. Oh, were your comments meant to be sarcastic?

Well, the brits do it best. On the internet, they usually add a word, perhaps a pun, or some clue that they're kidding around. In your case, the emoticon suggested you weren't kidding.

Welcome to DU.

[reichstag911]

38. The emoticon was sarcastic, too.

I actually sent an alert to the moderator that that woman seemed a bit, shall we say, overexcited about the whole thing. Even without audio, she was somehow becoming shrill. :shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. We move on.

So many threads, so little time...

[Bridget Burke]

41. You really aren't supposed to post using two different ID's....

And what the hell does this have to do with the current thread?

[reichstag911]

46. Get a clue.

It was a f**king joke, genius! And where did you get the idea I posted under multiple IDs? Gee, I'm so sorry for going "off-message," too. All together now...DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

[American Tragedy]

26. See, that's really the way to do it.

Don't hold back and wait for someone to say the thing that pisses you off. Act preemptively.

'Create new realities', as the Bush administration would say.

[jmowreader]

48. Obviously Reichstag911 understands the Bushco MO

I'd accuse R911 of being Jeff Gannon, but R911 seems a clever sort and a fine Democrat to boot, and I bet he doesn't have a picture of himself wearing boxer shorts and a dog tag either.

[Lizzie Borden]

20. No.

[leesa]

21. NO. Accept the fact that he is a psychopathic lunatic who is fully aware

of his crimes.

[jokerman93]

23. So what we're saying here is...

Either our country is being run by the stupidest people ever to walk upright, or the unspeakable is true.

[Catamount]

24. No!

[Disturbed]

30. LIHOP and the Silverspoon Sociopath.

The Junta knew it was coming. Shrub may not have been informed of the details or the magnitude which is why he sat there stunned. After all, he is a hand puppet of the cabal.

[Vinca]

28. I tend to think it's impossible he didn't know, but

they keep this guy in a cocoon and never tell him anything negative, so who really knows for sure. The bottom line is, the buck stops at the oval office. Either way he was negligent. Another question is why this memo was hidden away until after the election.

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. In the words of my son's Kindergarten teacher,"This man would have

to be caught having sex on the White House lawn with an intern before these people will wake up...and I even doubt it then."

[NewJeffCT]

36. Nope, not even that would do it

If I recall correctly, there were rumors of Jeb Bush having an affair... soon afterwards,it was leaked that Bush's wife was having mental problems and had become extremely demanding. So, if the rumors of the affair came out, he'd be able to blame it on his wife.

Bush could be video taped getting fellatio from a 10 year old boy while saluting a picture of Hitler and shouting "Sieg Heil!" and the media would jump all over the person making the video tape.

[Trailrider1951]

33. The dog that did not bark

<snip>

There is one more thing that should be in this video and isn't, and that is the Secret Service, the protective detail whose one and only job is the President's safety.

The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" deducing that it is the owner of the house who is the criminal. How does he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only criminal who could could carry out the crime and not arouse the dog was a criminal the dog already knew as a friend, the dog's owner.

Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11. Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory nobody could have known how many there are or if more planes were not in the process of being hijacked. How could they? Two of the planes had crashed into the World Trade Center. There is an airport only four miles from Booker Elementary School, and Bush's presence at the school was in the news media days in advance. The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker on September 8th, given the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

And yet the Secret Service did not rush in and remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with so many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

<snip>

much more at:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html

[Stephanie]

34. Shrub went to Crawford for his own safety for the entire month of August

He was sent to Crawford for the entire month of August 2001. Cheney spent the entire month in Jackson Hole Wyoming. The length of these vacations were unprecedented and politically damaging. Obviously they were trying to get out of harm's way, just as Ashcroft stopped flying commercial. Of course they knew. Bush knew.

[Bridget Burke]

42. An August vacation in Texas made my alarm bells go off....

Texas has its good aspects, but our summer weather is not one of them. But I guess Kennebunkport was not isolated enough. Also--Kennebunkport is a retreat for the elite. At his "ranch" he can pose as a cowboy....



(See above for only existing picture of Bush on a horse.)

[HereSince1628]

45. Well, but the fact that Bush is a lazy SOBarb makes the

cover plausible.

[RuleofLaw]

35. What really bothers me

with all these warning and everything else that has come out,is the constant explanation that "the FAA did not find it credible", or "The CIA did not react" etc.

What I would like is for some journalist to name names. Who at the FAA did find it credible? Who decided that the warnings were not important? Agencies are run by human beings making decisions. So lets get some names. Who was in charge? Who decided to do nothing? Did any one complain?

[tanyev]

40. Where did these warnings come from?

Is there a separate FAA intelligence pipeline that the CIA/FBI is unaware of? Doubtful.

[Jose Diablo]

43. Plausible Deny-ability, sure, why not? n/t

[earth mom]

44. No Way! He Knew! eom

[caffefwee]

47. based on his performance in every other area