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discopants Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:07 PM
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Did anyone read Kitty Kelly's book...
because I remember back in October she told Chris Mathews about a 'gay escort service' involved at the white house. That was one of many claims that made her seem like a complete wacko. Now this Gannon story comes to light.... do you she knew something about him way back when she was researching her book?

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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:09 PM
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1. I read it and I never thought she was a wacko, just that the MSM
was trying to do a credibility trash-dump on her. The book actually was pretty good and Shrub snark was only a small part of it.
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:13 PM
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3. Did she mention some kind of prostitution ring?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:20 PM
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9. I can't recall but you're probably talking about this.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:21 PM
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10. I Read It, She's No Wacko, Don't Remember Anything Like That
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 11:25 PM by UTUSN
The book was a very balanced rendering of the B.F.E.E., actually portrayed some of them sympathetically, had LITTLE that would bother the gang, and she said that what was on the cutting room floor was MUCH wilder than what got in.

Occasionally, the reference below regarding a Gay escort ring in 1989 under RAYGUN/Poppy gets cited. I'll get the link to that other thread.

On Edit: This quote is from Minstrel Boy:: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3085974
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Why, when I read "Jeff Gannon," do I see the name Craig Spence?

Gannon wasn't much of a journalist, not even of the pretend kind. Not much of a White House shill, either. Though the Bush team couldn't fault him for his slavish devotion to the party line, he wrote for the very limited cyber readership of "TalonNews," which appears now to have folded up and blown away, like every good cut-out once its cover is blown. The White House does not want for friends in corporate media with far greater reach. And the CIA's Operation Mockingbird, we recall, served up far bigger fish than the likes of Gannon. So why did the virtual one-man show of TalonNews receive such pride of place?

To answer that, we should probably ask the rhetorical question: what other purpose could a male prostitute possibly serve in the White House press corp? Or, I suppose, whom could he serve?

Which brings us to Craig Spence:



Spence was a conservative lobbyist during the Reagan-Bush years. The New York Times called him "Washington's ultimate power broker." He was also running a gay prostitution ring which employed adolescent boys. As a treat, he gave them after-hours tours of the White House. In The Washington Times of August 9, 1989, Spence "hinted the tours were arranged by top level" persons, including Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg, whose name also figures prominently in the October Surprise story. The paper added that "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

David McGowan writes that one of the White House tours "occurred just after Spence stopped by the Nightline studio to see his friend, Ted Koppel. Spence reportedly introduced Koppel to a 15-year-old boy, whom Koppel later claimed Spence had introduced as his son. Koppel though had been a close friend for over 20 years and surely knew that Spence did not have a teenage son."

Any wonder why this scandal - a sex scandal, even - died one of the quickest and quietest of deaths? Only briefly, and not everywhere, was it was front page news. As when it broke, on June 29, 1989:



From a follow-up story of June 30, 1989:
------------Sub-QUOTE------------------

Among the clients identified in hundreds of credit-card vouchers obtained by The Washington Times - and identified by male prostitutes and escort operators - are government officials, locally based US military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides, media representatives and other professionals.

Mr. Spence's influence appeared unlimited, aptly demonstrated by his ability to arrange midnight tours of the White House, according to three persons who said they took part in those tours.... After arriving in Washington in the late 1970s, Mr. Spence was hosting parties during the early Reagan years attended by, among others, journalists Eric Sevareid, Ted Koppel and William Safire; former CIA Director William Casey; the late John Mitchell, attorney general in the Nixon administration; conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly; Ambassador James Lilley; and Gen. Alfred M. Gray, the commandant of the Marine Corps.

...

Several friends said Mr. Spence bragged that U.S. military personnel, for whom he had built a gymnasium in El Salvador, had smuggled cocaine back to him when they returned to the United States.... U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration officials said this week they had no evidence of any such operation.

...

A business acquaintance described Mr. Spence as "strange," saying that he often boasted that he was working for the CIA and on one occasion said he was going to disappear for awhile "because he had an important CIA assignment." According to the businessman, Mr. Spence told him that the CIA might "doublecross him," however, and kill him instead "and then to make it look like a suicide."

It should probably be noted here that it wasn't until November of that year that Spence's body was found in a Boston hotel room, his death ruled a suicide.

From David McGowan's "Pedophacracy":

The Spence story never really registered on the national media’s radar screen. Despite being a largely Republican scandal, it was completely ignored by such pillars of the purportedly liberal press as the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. The story soon disappeared entirely and Washington and the media proceeded to pretend as though nothing had ever happened. According to a Washington Times reporter, the paper trail was quickly covered up. Some 20,000 documents pertaining to the case were sealed by court order and the U.S. Attorney’s office issued a gag order on the release of information. By the time that Craig Spence turned up dead in a Boston hotel less than five months after the story first broke, he had been all but forgotten. He had earlier told a friend: “I may be disappearing soon. It will be sudden. It may appear to be a suicide, but it won’t be.”

Spence was reportedly found lying on his bed in room 429 of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, wearing a tuxedo and with a telephone cradled to his ear and a Walkman headset around his neck. He had, according to the Independent, “no obvious signs of injury,” and “police refused to comment on the cause of death.” The door to the room was barricaded. Written on the mirror were several messages, one of which read: “Chief, consider this my resignation, effective immediately. As you always said, you can’t ask others to make a sacrifice if you are not ready to do the same. Life is duty. God bless America.” Another was an apology to the hotel: “To the Ritz, please forgive this inconvenience.” A third was an unexplained Japanese phrase: “Nisei Bei.” The hotel registry showed that the room the apparent suicide victim was found in was occupied by “C.S. Kane.”

Spence had been subpoenaed by a grand jury but had not yet been called to appear. As it turned out, very few witnesses ever did appear before that grand jury. Spence had also reportedly agreed to provide Penthouse magazine with “lurid details of Washington’s bisexual wonderland.” His story, needless to say, was never told.

Penthouse didn't get its story, but Spence left a legacy of questions, which have been soundly ignored by virtually everyone in a position to answer them. For instance, this one, raised by The Washington Times after his death:

Mr. Strasser, according to the witness, also asked during the private discussion and before the grand jury about the gift by Mr. Spence of an expensive Rolex watch to a U.S. Army sergeant. The sergeant, who also participated in the July 3 White House tour, allegedly was asked by Mr. Spence for information on Delta Force, a special forces counterterrorism unit based in Fort Bragg, N.C.

"They asked me what I thought Spence wanted to know about the Delta project," the witness said. "I said it could mean he was just interested in the young guys there or something else."

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The Gannon scandal may not be that he was undeserving of accreditation, or a shameless cheerleader, or even a prostitute. (It ain't for nothing that members of the press are called "media whores.") The scandal may be that "Jeff Gannon" was a honey pot: a lure, floated in the press pool by the White House to compromise persons of influence. Something Gannon, or rather Jim Guckert, certainly was not.

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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:00 AM
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17. Now this is something that should be posted on FreeRepublic.
But then, since so many of them are here I hope they read this.

Thanks for the great post and history lesson.
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:12 PM
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2. I think your onto something. Didn't read yet , but going to read this
summer when I have more time.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:15 PM
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4. I read it.
Since the corporate media did everything in their power to discredit her, I was surprised by how thoroughly researched it was.

She really did not use that many anonymous sources. Many of her sources were public record. The bibliography and footnotes passed muster with this former librarian.

They tried to make it look as if her book was purely gossip. It was not.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:16 PM
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5. Where Is She Now? n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:17 PM
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6. The right wing tried to discredit her. She never came across as "wacko"
I thought her book was incredibly well-written, but I didn't see the interview with Matthews.

What struck me about the book is how socially and morally deviant the entire bush clan is, and I got that just from reading the facts that Kelly traced.

George H.W. Bush, for what it's worth, is a pedophile. That's why there were call boys who got tours in the white House when Reagan was president. Big scandal way back when. Flared up, died down immediately. Lord love our "liberal" press.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:23 AM
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15. If George HW is a pedophile...
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:27 AM by TwoSparkles
...then obviously W is a victim of sexual abuse. It's frightening--because sexual abuse would explain so much about *.

I find it very compelling that so many Republicans get tangled in sex scandals involving over-the-top sexual deviancy.

Clinton's oral sex stuff was nothing compared to the Republican allegations of prostitution, sex rings, child molestation, organized child sex rings and covert homosexuality involving secrets and organized, clandestine escort services that are later coverd up (Gannon said those sites were one of this clients', not his).

This administration, and *'s relatives appear to be sexual deviants. So many of their scandals relate back to organized, covert sexual activity. Just what in the hell is going on with these people?

*'s sociopathic behavior, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, megalomania, insecurity, alcoholism, codependent wife and addiction to religion sure fit the profile of someone who has been molested and hasn't worked through the trauma.

This is just really---very bizarre and disconcerting.

Many victims of sexual abuse go on to be productive, wonderful members of society. However, our prisons are filled with victims of sexual abuse. Some become psychopaths and end up committing violent crimes. Almost all serial killers were victims of sexual abuse. It feels like * and his clan are psychopathic deviants/criminals with enough money and power to keep their crimes covert.

If this is true--it's horrendously dangerous that this brigade is in power.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:18 PM
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7. Could Bush be a closet homosexual?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:19 PM
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8. Ohhhhhhhhh, gotta read that!
:wow:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:22 PM
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11. I read it and I didn't find it smarmy at all.
She has a lot of history in it, much of which I lived through. It acted to jolt my memory and she got her facts down correctly. So if she had her historical facts straight and well researched, I have every reason to believe that the rest of the book is also very factual and well researched.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:22 PM
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12. Dupe - sorry.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 11:23 PM by Cleita
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:57 PM
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13. I remember her talking about a gay escort service...
Think I'll fire off an e-mail to Mr. Matthews!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:58 PM
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14. It's a White House tradition...
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:30 AM
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16. Kitty Kelly has been reviled as a gossip monger, but never sued
Sam Smith from the Progressive Review has written about this, stating that she always has three sources - cannot find the exact text I'm thinking about right now, but here is one link:

http://prorev.com/2004/09/sycophants-to-sociopaths_14.htm

SYCOPHANTS TO SOCIOPATHS

SAM SMITH Few things get the conventional media more riled up than one of its own who doesn't play by the rules, such as the requirement demanding sycophancy towards whatever sociopaths currently lead the country and, coincidentally, provide the propaganda that the media passes on as news.

Thus it is that Kitty Kelly is under full fire these days: unreliable, sensational, lack of facts and so forth. So just for fun, we've been reading these attacks to learn some facts about Kitty Kelly and all we've found is the unreliable, sensational and a lack of facts. Kelly, who has never been successfully sued, apparently does her mischief so cleverly that the uptight media toadies can only allude to it without actual citation. A typical example from the NY Times'
Michiko Kakutani:

"Though Doubleday is promoting Ms. Kelley as 'a master investigative biographer,' she lavishes all too much of her admirable energy on trying to ferret out personal peccadilloes, ranging from drug and alcohol binges to temper tantrums, from weight problems to bad taste in gift-giving. Certainly family members (particularly George W. Bush, running in the aftermath of the Bill Clinton scandals) have to some degree invited this sort of scrutiny by selling themselves as a close, wholesome, all-American clan, but Ms. Kelley's relentless concentration on these matters, often to the exclusion of far more serious issues, makes for a tacky, voyeuristic and petty-seeming narrative."

This from a paper that consistently misled its readers on the far more serious issue of what was going on in Iraq.

The preferred alternative to the Kitty Kellys of the world is someone like columnist Edwin Yoder who in his new memoir writes of having dinner with George Will and the Washington Post's Meg Greenfield: "I would have said at the time that there had been no more stellar gathering of journalistic stylists since Walter Lippmann dined alone."

Age has encouraged little modesty for later Yoder complains about the treatment of his efforts by editor Greenfield: "I had no doubts about the standard of craftsmanship; only George Will's seemed to me, so far as I could judge, consistently higher."

This, gentle reader, is how people in Washington actually talk. As Isaiah Berlin noted way back in 1943: "No town has ever taken itself so seriously with so little reason." And when you take yourself that seriously, intimations that those up to whom one sucks might be sleazeballs, coke addicts, or just plain crooks is just too much to bear.

Go for it, Kitty.
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jsquared Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:08 AM
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18. It would be great to see the stuff from the cutting room floor in a sequel
book after * and his administration in totally discredited. I'm sure that would be sweet vindication for Kitty after their nasty campaign against her and the book
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