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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:29 PM
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Did Thomas Kean really say what I thought he said?
last night on Hardball, did Kean really say that the responsibility for stopping terrorist hijackers rests primarily with the passengers?

Did he really say that passengers should take matters into their own hands when we see something suspicious on an airplane?

Did the man leading the commission which determined not to hold any official personally accountable for 9/11, just tell the American people, many of whom are filing their taxes as they are watching Kean speak, that the responsibility for protecting themselves from professional, hardened, trained terrorists lies more with themselves than from the government?

Speaking of taxes, many of those taxes goes to "DEFENSE," and where is the Sec. of "DEFENSE" right now? Is he really in a country, Iraq, that never attacked the U.S.?

How about the Dept. of DEFENSE fight the terrorists, instead of leaving it up to me?

Or did I hear Kean wrong?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:31 PM
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1. Yes, the passengers should have armored the cockpit
while in flight. They should have held impromptu hand-to-hand combat classes in the rear of the plane. They should have fashioned weapons out of inflight magazines and flotation cushions. C'mon, this is the goddam OWNERSHIP SOCIETY! Take some freakin' responsibility for your own airplane!
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:37 PM
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2. Your post made me laugh!
Thanks
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:38 PM
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3. But... don't get up to use the bathroom without permission.
THAT'S a federal offense!

:crazy:

We are living in Bizarro-world.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:43 PM
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4. so how did Tweety bird respond?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:52 PM
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5. with polite skepticism, actually
Kean actually claimed to believe that "everyone in this room" would have stormed the terrorists if they were in the plane.

Of course the picture of any of Tweety, Kean, or Lee Hamilton overtaking the terrorists is ridiculous, but Tweety managed not to laugh in Kean's face, and instead just said, "well, that's what we'd like to think..."
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:57 PM
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6. I broke down and flipped to MSNBC last night for first time in weeks..
And I saw Tweets sincerely asking the opinion on some Constitutional matter to none other than Pat Robertson, who oh-so-impressed me with his law school days reminiscing. Gee, when was that? 1868?

I'm not surprised by anything anyone says on TV anymore. Seriously thinking of dropping it altogether.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:00 PM
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7. transcript...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6954195/

But do you think we‘re safe now with these air marshals? Can one man or a couple men or women who are armed and professional, can they stop something like this, like 9/11?

KEAN: The best defense is not the air marshals. It is the people on the plane. Frankly, if you see something doing something suspicious now, you are not going to let him get into the cockpit. You‘re probably going to jump him. And that means all the passengers.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Why don‘t we train passengers to do that, Governor, right now?

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Why are not we telling passengers, read this manual? If you see guys going for the cockpit, stop them.

KEAN: I don‘t think you have to read the manual. I would do that if I was on a plane. I think you would, too.

MATTHEWS: All right. OK. Well, I hope I would. We all hope we would. That‘s called grace under fire.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:18 PM
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8. Sure. Don't jump an air marshal by mistake.
You'll wind up dead or in GITMO. What a joke.
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