Ward Churchill is a Nazi asshat. Who cares what happens to him?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Churchill decided the 9/11 WTC victims as a group deserved to die. The thinking of a Nazi scumbag. I wouldn't care if he got fired any more than I'd care if a professor who said all Jews deserved to be killed by Hitler deserved to die.

Who gives a fuck about Ward Churchill

[Maple]

1. The point is

not 'what' he said, but his freedom to say it.

Guaranteed in your constitution.

[pnb]

2. Who's making it illegal for him to say it?

He has the freedom to say whatever he wants. The freedom of speech of others allow people to call him an asshat for it.

[SaveElmer]

3. Right...but...

A governmental institution should not be allowed to have him fired for it...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

27. So government institutions should subsidize Nazis with tax dollars?

nah

[Maple]

4. Well they're trying to dump him

and he has tenure.

[bloom]

14. people take "justice" into their own hands

when they start making death threats and all that.

Their (illegal) point is to shut him up.

[leftyandproud]

20. free to say it...yes. Entitled to be PAID $$ FOR IT BY YOU....NOPE!

Imagine if he were a radical right-wing neocon preaching death to all muslims/gays, etc...saying that AIDS is a good thing because it is wiping out blacks and homosexuals...that "natural selection" is taking it's course and the strongest are surviving when the USA bombs other countries...

Does he have "freedom of speech"...YES! He is free to speak his mind on the street, in any public place, or in any private journal/newspaper that publishes his work.

But would YOU feel good PAYING him to say/write crap like that? Knowing that he has a captive audience of YOUR kids to spew these things at?

I sure wouldn't.

[KissMeKate]

5. what is an ass hat anyways?

I always wondered if there was some obscure reference I wasnt getting.

[Padraig18]

11. Definition:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asshat&r=f

1. asshat
One who has their head up their ass. Thus wearing their ass as a hat. Asshat

[KissMeKate]

28. lol thanks

you learn something new every day!

[donheld]

15. This my dear, is an Asshat

[KissMeKate]

29. love it!

I always thought donkeys were so cute!

[CO Liberal]

6. Read Closely What He Said

He said that the financiers who worked in teh WTC and the people who worked at The Pentagon were targets of those in foreign countries who hate us - NOT because of our freedom - because of the economic dominance we've exerted around the world. He did NOT say he was happy that police. fire fighters, or others like that died - only that looking a 9/11 from the perspective of those who planned it, the WTC and the Pentagon were perfect targets.

And we ALL need to be concerned if an educator with unpopular views gets fired from a public university. That's government censorship, and we should all be opposed to that, IMHO.

[drdon326]

13. Anyone have a link to the ORIGINAL article?

thanks

[carolinayellowdog]

21. Here

http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html

[Elidor]

7. "victims as a group deserved to die"–WRONG.

He said that we cannot be surprised that people retaliate against us for our imperialism, not that we deserved it. Please try to keep up with the facts.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. he said everyone at the WTC except low paid rescuers should die

asshat

[Bonobo]

8. Do you even really understand his argument?

Or do you just buy hook, line and sinker what Blitz Wolfer and the other Media Whores tell you?

Please state Churchill's argument and we'll see if you "get it".

His commentary was much deeper than saying the victims deserved to die. You are merely repeating the dumbed down version of it that is for mass consumption.

[G_j]

19. I guess it's easier to parrot RW liars

than to actually discuss what he actually said.
Where is all this RW crap coming from?
:puke:

[DrWeird]

9. I think his critics are nazis.

He really pissed off a bunch of little Eichmann's, and now they're unwittingly proving him right.

[leftofthedial]

10. he said no such thing

who is the nazi?

[SpiralHawk]

12. First they came for the Asshats

eventually ..blah, blah, blah -- they came for those who claimed to be Proud2BAmurkin.

- Fini -

[bloom]

16. I care what happens to him....eom

[Az]

17. Obviously not ignorant individuals that can't take the time to read

what he actually said. And people accuse the left of saying the common person is too ignorant to lead themself. Read what the man says not what the right wing is shoving down your throat.

[mike_c]

18. I care, very much....

Academic freedom, and the freedom of expression that goes along with it, means that all well-considered views-- regardless of popularity, political correctness, or cultural sensitivity-- should be expressed and debated on their merits. I would defend an neo-conservative scholar in the same forum. When we begin censoring ideas in academia, rather than debating them and undermining them intellectually, an educated society loses.

[Swamp Rat]

24. That's the point isn't it?

Bush&Co want to shut down the educated and informed in this country, and many ignorant asshats are more than willing to help them. x(

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Obviously, another poster with limited reading skills.

The way I read it, he didn't say they deserved to die. In fact he said just the opposite. They paid the price for America's hegemonic policies.

[drdon326]

23. THE now infamous paragraph....

Well, really. Let’s get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America’s global financial empire – the “mighty engine of profit” to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved – and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to “ignorance” – a derivative, after all, of the word “ignore” – counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in – and in many cases excelling at – it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it.

..................................................................

so honest workers (TECHNOCRATS) arent innocent and that w.r.t. destroying the WTC there was no better way of ....
"visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns".

its ok to be an anti-capitalist.....its not ok to label the workers of theses financial institutions "little eichmanns".


Yeah....no problem,ward....GO FUCK YOURSELF !!

[Az]

30. Context

He is speaking of the matter as viewed by those affected by our policies.

Yes you can pull that section out by itself and spin it in a nasty way. Or you can read the entire document and see what it is he is saying.

For what it's worth you are playing the game Rove wants you to play.

[carolinayellowdog]

35. Dozens of furious denials of the patently obvious

When someone challenges others to suggest "a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation" it implies that as far as he is concerned the 9/11 attack was the best, most effective, and in fact only way of "visiting some penalty." At least until someone suggests something better, more effective, etc.

How much space is there between saying that and saying the victims deserved it? Help me here. A befitting penalty is deserved by those penalized, by definition.

Also, it has been repeatedly denied that Churchill's "I" in this passage is in fact referring to himself. He is alleged instead to be speaking on behalf of some imagined other. Having read the article through, I don't see evidence for that assertion. Help me here too.

[CBGLuthier]

25. Yeah. Right. Whatever

Me, I agree with every fucking word he actually said.

AAmerica has been a scourge upon this world for the past 60 years.

The chickens came home to roost.

Besides. Fucking Bush is the one responsible for 9/11

[info being]

26. When did this place become conservative?

[Az]

31. Don't worry

We did a poll earlier today (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3091437) and the majority were in support of his ideas though there is obviously room for discussion of the actual rhetoric he used.

[Auntie Bush]

33. I think you should change your name...it doesn't fit!

I'm not 2 proud of you!

[Moderator]

34. locking.

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