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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:37 PM Original message |
Minimum wage, the working poor, and the creation of the criminal class |
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Tux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. But |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. I never have understood the whole "fine thing" |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I don't understand the idea that you don't pay a fine so we suspend |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. What's sad is that many of those folks |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Some Scandinavian countries have |
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candy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. Devi's advocate here. |
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Pepperbelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. not everybody has the same level of personal and financial responsibility |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
99. delete |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I worked in child welfare. I can't tell you how often something like this |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I don't know how old you are, but being 'poor' in the 50's 60's and 70's |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Welcome angstlessk! |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Thank you for the welcome. I remember when the women's movement |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I appreciate your sharing a snapshot of reality. |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Thank you for the welcome. There are a gazillion business digests |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. Labor owning the factory |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 06:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
56. I work two jobs |
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mermaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. I Feel Ya |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Affordable housing in urban areas is virtually nonexistent |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Thanks for the welcome. You do volunteer work. That is most admirable. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I'm from LI originally |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Hell, even our police can't afford to live in the city of Seattle |
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candy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Good point! The apartment we lived in now probably has |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Amen |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Amen! Far worse now. |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Plus jobs moved out of the city. Industry anyway. |
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GreenPoet64 (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. One trip to the ER and your "back up money" |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. where did this back-up money come from? |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
66. And the poor people are often very generous |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. yes, too generous for their own good! |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
61. She also had family and friends that would have helped her out of a scrape |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Situational vs generational poverty: |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
98. (self deletes) |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. I've said it before. Prisons = profit |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Yes indeed! |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
44. And it transfers economic resources |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 04:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Excellent point! |
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Conservativesux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 05:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. Indeed so. Whatever happened to rehabilitation? |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
73. As a society we value "punishment" over "justice." |
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Conservativesux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
91. That would mean that * isnt really a Christian, wouldnt it? |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
100. self delete |
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Betsy Ross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
10. But if they arrest all the poor, who will clean their toilets? |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. They will keep the borders porous so there is an endless flow |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Ummm....no... |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. That's interesting, they will just create whole towns that are safe |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
59. Exactly. The divide deepens |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Yes here in the city it's rich people rent or the projects. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. There is little use for the so-called middle class in society any longer |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
88. Areas of Harlem have been gentrified, Clinton's neighborhood |
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Us vs Them (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. The War on Poverty. |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. The War on Poverty became the War on the Poor |
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PowerToThePeople (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 04:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
53. these are voters |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. OK, first, not all convicts lose voting rights permanently |
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PowerToThePeople (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 04:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
96. I was not "lumping" |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
18. Excellent, excellent post |
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GreenPoet64 (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
20. This post reminded me of a good book . . . |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. Oh, God!!! I know!!! I've lived it, seen it. It's the "hidden America"! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. nominated! |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. It's hard to believe that such circumstances are tolerated in a "civil",.. |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. What is "nominated" I have seen that a few times. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Look at the bottom of the opening/first post |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
29. An Excellent Piece, Mr. Yrslf! |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Well, they didn't take my children, |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. There are tens of millions of Americans just like you. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. That's something that makes me see red... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. exactly...not rare |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
34. Stuff like this makes me crazy, |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. 35.9 MILLION people live in poverty |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. How do you sort out |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. You don't, addicts need treatment anyways... |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
57. I consider the drug addicted to be truly needy, too, |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. My thought was |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. I guess I never considered that. |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. No, it's not a prejudice on my part |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. But what percentage of poor people actually do that? |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I didn't suggest that they discriminate |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Government help is not usually in the form of cash |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
106. A drug addict is physically dependent on drugs. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. I'm far more concerned about the use of billions of taxpayer |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 04:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
95. Do the children of addicts not deserve homes and food? nt |
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Democrat Dragon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
45. According to the book "50 things you aren't supposed to know" |
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KissMeKate (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-05 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. then her kid sufferes in foster car |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
111. Which is ANOTHER facet of this nightmare. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
49. Ways in which the poor are screwed |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 12:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. An addendum |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
115. Don't forget the pawn shops.... |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
51. The right wing is phony on crime! |
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Conservativesux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 05:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Let us all not forget the white collar crime that goes unpunished. |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
112. I know a repuke state representative who has |
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stunted_evolution (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
58. This Is An Excellent Thread |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
90. Welcome stunted_evolution! |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
60. I used to see this in traffic court in OKC. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
63. attitudes.. why is the mindset so mean? |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Because old people are so mean. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:50 AM Response to Reply #70 |
92. are you for real? I love old people |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
103. No, it was an "Anti-Young People Law". |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
105. From my experience "grumpy" might be more fitting in cases :-) |
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porkrind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
65. Wow, great post. |
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Mabel Dodge (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
68. You have to pay to keep up a society |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Exactly! I wish the "Freedom Isn't Free" crowd would remember that. |
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Mabel Dodge (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. I hear you bother/sister |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
69. You got your timeline messed up. |
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RazzleCat (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Don't forget the second cycle of poverty |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. And that "lousy 10 bucks" makes a difference. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
93. blew her insurance payment & mortgage pymt at the Dollar store? |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. No, I'm a god-damn figment of your TV-infested imagination. |
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TNMOM (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-05 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
86. These working poor are potential voters |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:27 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. this is one of the best threads I have ever read. Thanks |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 02:56 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Voter registration drives and transportation to the polls! |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
113. I helped to register 750 low-income voters before the November election. |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
97. delete |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 07:11 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. It's going to get much worse. |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
102. Press used to broadcast this kind of story. Where are they? Whores. |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
108. Hey I am just happy to have a thread on the Greatest page. Thanks |
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Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
109. Great example and thank you |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. John Edwards talked about the poor in his campaign.. |
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