honestly, just let LaRouche come to one debate

[ButterflyBlood]

plain and simple: ENTERTAINMENT VALUE. He'd be a laugh riot while he rants about the British Royal Family or why colonizing Mars is neccesary. No one but his brainwashed followers would take him seriously, but he'd get a lot more people to watch the debate. I didn't watch this one as I find them boring, but I can assure you all I would watch any one with him involved. It's the same reason people watch Howard Stern: They just want to see what he'll say next.

[CentristDemocrat]

1. Lyndon LaRouche-David Icke 2004

CAN YOU DIG IT?

[Room101]

13. Who is David Icke ?

I have heard that name before

[Julien Sorel]

26. Here are some of his beliefs:

There, all over the planet, you find the ancient legends and accounts of "gods" from another world who interbred with humanity to create a hybrid network of bloodlines. The Old Testament, for example, talks about the "Sons of God" who interbred with the daughters of men to create the hybrid race, the Nefilim. Before it was translated into English, that passage read "the sons of the gods", plural. But the Bible accounts are only one of so many that describe the same theme.

...

The ancient accounts tell us that these hybrid bloodlines, the fusion of the genes of selected humans with those of the "gods", were put into the positions of ruling royal power, especially in the ancient Near and Middle East, in advanced cultures like Sumer, Babylon, and Egypt. But it happened elsewhere, also, as you will find, for example, in the amazing information provided on this site by the African Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, and in the incredible Credo videos, Reptilian Agenda, parts one and two. He tells the same story from the black African tradition that I have uncovered elsewhere in the world.

...

These bloodlines later became the royal and aristocratic families of Europe and, thanks to the "Great" British Empire and the other European empires, they were exported to the Americas, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and right across into the Far East, where they connected with other reptilian hybrid bloodlines, like those, most obviously, in China, where the symbolism of the dragon is the very basis of their culture.

These reptilian-human hybrid lines became the political and economic rulers of these lands occupied by the European empires and they continue to rule these countries to this day. The United States of America has been home to hundreds of millions of people since 1776. What's more, these people came from an amazingly diverse genetic pool. And yet, wait for this, the 42 who have become Presidents of the United States are all related!!! Thirty-Three of them alone go back to Charlemagne, one of the most famous monarchs of what we call France. He just happens to be a major figure in the story of these bloodlines and their expansion out of Britain, France, Germany, and elsewhere.

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/reptconn.html



I almost decided not to post this, as there are enough conspiracy theories floating around here as it is; but one more can't hurt, especially since it claims Bush is a reptile. A poke around some of his websites reveals that he, like some of our very own DUers, believes in the all-powerful Illuminati as well. Small world.

[tedoll78]

2. Nope, and here's why.

I don't want to reward such bad behavior. If a child screams at the top of his lungs in a supermarket for candy and his mother gives him the candy to shut him up, it reinforces the bad behavior. That child learns to scream more often to get what he wants. This is the same principle at work here. Let's not reward such retardity.

[ButterflyBlood]

3. I would agree but this isn't because he deserves it

it's because it'd be so damn entertaining!

[RichV]

4. "I suspect he's in jail"

said Dr. Dean...

[pruner]

6. I just played that back (with Tivo) to hear it again

LMAO

[fujiyama]

15. I only wish

Dean yelled it louder!

[pruner]

5. people listen to Howard Stern to get their news

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=499&u=/ap/20030909/ap_on_en_ot/fcc_howard_stern_1&printer=1

[Renew Deal]

7. Every Morning ;)

And for my dosage of lesbians in the tickle chair.
:evilgrin:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. That is exactly what is wrong with politics

People's lives are affected by the leader of this country and that person's policies..but people like yourself are disinterested unless it turns into a dog and pony freak show.

So we should make a mockery of the institutions that decide who gets a great life and who gets shit because you don't find enough entertainment in making an adult choice?

NO.

[ButterflyBlood]

9. look at it this way, at least i can name the Dem candidates

which 70% of Americans can't. One of these debates come on, are they going to watch? No, they need to see The OC or that new reality show. But LaRouche at a debate, that might get more to watch. And maybe listen to what the Dem candidates have to say (which I already know much of).

My mom was talking about how she'd rather watch Family Guy or Johnny Bravo than any political debate (and trust me, she doesn't like those shows.) She's just not interested. Most people aren't. But if it was a little more interesting...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. I think the problem is with those people not the debates

but I'll bet if you asked them to rant about personal responsibility they could go on and on about it...as long as we aren't invoking any of theirs in the matter.

[Old and In the Way]

14. I got an idea.......market it as a reality show!

We can call it Survivor: The Candidate Series.

Make a WH set and force them all to live there....we can have a weekly show where they can compete for prizes and "Head of House"...maybe give speeches and make alliances. We can call in and kick 'em out one by one...last one standing, wins the primary!

[angka]

10. i would love to see these guys bust on larouche.

even the candidates i don't like would eat that crackpot for breakfast.

[Dookus]

11. no, of course not....

These debates aren't entertainment. They're news.

[ShaneGR]

16. Who?

Why should we care again?

[oasis]

17. Gary Coleman would be the perfect moderator for such an event.

[IndianaGreen]

18. LaRouche is mentally unstable and is a convicted felon

You might as well invite the Menendez brothers or Mike Tyson!

[oasis]

19. Why the hell not? The more the merrier.

;-)

[salin]

20. LaRouche is not a democrat - never has been.

His is a self-declaration - but his views have never had anything to do with the national party, nor has he ever had any democratic voter following.

He is also convicted felon - I believe related to credit card fraud related to those duped into donating to his "campaigns."

Throughout the eighties (and beyond) he advocated for sending all AIDS and HIV patients to an Island for exile/permanent quarentine. He was so serious about this that he worked towards getting state level ballot initiatives to this effect - to create state laws to enforce quarentines.

To include him in debates would require including any person who is a self-declared candidate into the debates (sort of like the California recall election).

He has been "running" for president as a "self-declared" democrat since the 1970s. I first saw one of his paid tv ads in 1983. His organization has been considered a cult since long before then. He has never had a following beyond his bizzare cult group.

Why should the democratic party give legitmacy to a man whose views are at odds with the party, who is a convicted felon (who scammed/cheated donors to his "political campaign"), and who is so homophibic as to advocate seriously discriminatory legislation?

It would make a joke out of the democratic party primaries.

Or is that your desire - to legitamize the rightwing attempts on talk radio/tv - of marginalization of serious candidates by tying the party to an authoritarian/totalitarian convicted criminal?

[IndianaGreen]

21. And he is also a racist and an anti-Semite

LaRouche would have felt more at home in the Democratic Party of the segregationist South, or at a meeting of the John Birch Society.

[ButterflyBlood]

22. I suppose you have a point about trivalizing the primaries

but I would find it entertaining. That was the whole point. And it might get a few other people to watch the debates and maybe learn about the other candidates.

[Booberdawg]

23. Good gawd

That's the first description I've heard of LaRouche. I'd never heard of him before. That's enough for me.

:eyes:

[rman]

24. rather then believing, you could investigate

you'd find the conviction was a set up.


"The government alleged that LaRouche, Billington, and the others, had conspired to borrow money from political supporters, for political purposes, with no intention to repay the loans.
http://larouchein2004.net/exoneration/exon5.htm

*

...an illegal and unprecedented involuntary bankruptcy action--initiated by the same Justice Department prosecutors, and approved by the same federal judge, who later oversaw the frame-up criminal trial of LaRouche in Alexandria, Va.
...
The involuntary bankruptcy--which made it illegal to repay these loans!--was the essential precondition for bringing criminal charges of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud against LaRouche and his associates.
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Never before in U.S. history had the government itself been the petitioner in an involuntary bankruptcy case.
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They secretly went to the Bankruptcy Court on April 20, 1987, and obtained an order allowing the government to immediately go and shut down the companies. That evening, Hudson deployed FBI agents to surveil the offices of those companies. Early the next morning, U.S. Marshals seized the offices of the three companies and sealed them.
http://www.larouchepub.com/exon/exon1.html

*

On Aug. 31, 1995, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark testified before an independent commission of inquiry, probing criminal abuse of power by top officials of the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI. Clark spoke of the frameup of leading American political economist and statesman Lyndon LaRouche as the single most grievous case of prosecutorial abuse he had ever encountered.
...
Among the documents later released exposing FBI criminality, was a 1973 FBI headquarters Cointelpro memorandum on LaRouche and the NCLC, showing that the FBI was considering supporting an assassination attempt against LaRouche by the Communist Party USA.
http://www.schillerinstitute.com/health/dc_js_on_kkkatie.html

[Dookus]

25. wow...

sorry, but quoting Larouche's own website isn't exactly an impartial position. The man's a fruitcake. No ifs and or buts.