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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 09:24 PM
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Seymour Hersh’s scoop about the Pentagon’s “Salvador Option,” /NATO
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 09:27 PM by evolvenow
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0210-22.htm

 
 
Published on Thursday, February 10, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

The Pentagon's 'NATO Option'

by Lila Rajiva
 
Washington is shocked by Seymour Hersh’s scoop about the Pentagon’s “Salvador Option,” an ambitious plan to deploy secret special forces in friendly and unfriendly countries to spy, target terrorists and their sympathizers, and conduct “hits,” all without Congressional oversight. Its model is the American counter-insurgency program in Salvador in the 1980s which funded nationalist death squads to hunt down insurgents. What’s new today is that the program would be run by the Pentagon, not the CIA, and it would be much broader in scope. According to Hersh, the Pentagon's gremlins are already at work in Iran prepping targets for possible US or Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

But Washington’s shock is misplaced. There’s nothing new about the “Salvador Option.” At the end of last month, Frank Cass in London released a new book by Dr. Daniele Ganser of the Center for Security Studies at the Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich called, “NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe,” which offers plenty of evidence that there was also a “Salvador Option” in post-war Europe. It turns out that during the Cold War, European governments and secret services conspired with a NATO-backed operation to engineer attacks in their own countries in order to manipulate the population to reject socialism and communism.

It was called “the strategy of tension” and it was carried out by members of secret stay-behind armies organized by NATO and funded by the CIA in Italy, Portugal, Germany, Spain, and other European countries. The strategy apparently involved supplying right-wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist acts which were then blamed on left-wing groups to keep them out of power.

Only three countries, Italy, Belgium, and Switzerland, have had a parliamentary investigation into NATO’s role and a public report. The US and UK, the two nations most centrally involved, are refusing to disclose details, so crucial pieces of the story are missing. Still, Ganser’s book offers some disturbing insights into a hidden aspect of the Cold War.

(snip)

As one of Gladio’s operatives said, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

(snip)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:09 PM
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1. Very interesting - I'd forgotten all about them
The jerks even tried to kill DeGaulle. Is it any wonder he pulled dout of NATO and denounced it as a naked arm of agression for the US and the UK.

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.

===
France


France was struck by a series of terrorist attacks in the process that lead to the independence of the French colony Algeria in 1962. Following defeats in World War Two and Vietnam sectors of the French military and intelligence opposed the plan of French President Charles de Gaulle to grant Algeria independence, as in their eyes this plan meant yet another defeat for the proud French army. When President de Gaulle proceeded with his plan sections of the French military and intelligence took up arms against the government in Paris.

Admiral Pierre Lacoste, director of the French military secret DGSE from 1982 to 1985 under President Francois Mitterand, confirmed after the discovery of the secret NATO armies in 1990 that some "terrorist actions" against de Gaulle and his Algerian peace plan were carried out by groups that included "a limited number of people" from the French stay-behind network. Lacoste insisted that he believed that Soviet contingency plans for invasion nevertheless justified the stay-behind program.<53>

http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=60&num=15498


Italy was not alone in having covert "stay behind" units in operation. The operation encompassed all of western Europe. In France the unit was called "Glaive" - again named after a Gladiatorial sword. Austria's unit was named "Schwert," also meaning sword. In Turkey the unit was named "Red Sheepskin" and in Greece "Sheepskin." Sweden's unit was called "Sveaborg." In Switzerland it went by the title P26. Other units in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark and Holland remain unnamed. Not least, the United Kingdom's unit was simply known as "Stay Behind."

Information that surfaced in recent years suggests that the "Stay Behind" concept first arose in Britain. Senior military sources told the Guardian newspaper in December 1990, that a British guerrilla network was already in place following the fall of France in 1940. Numerous arm "caches" were buried for later use by a special forces ski battalion of the Scots Guards under the leadership of Brigadier "Mad Mike" Calvert. After the war, the decision was taken to create new units throughout Europe. The plan was conceived by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and spearheaded by the newly formed CIA.

http://www.warcrimes.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/blaironholiday/



Operation Gladio
from the book
The CIAs Greatest Hits
by Mark Zepezauer

(snip)

The US got its way in 1948 without having to resort to violence but-as was discovered in 1990- the CIA had organized a secret paramilitary army in postwar Italy, with hidden stockpiles of weapons and explosives dotting the map. Called Operation Gladio (gladius is Latin for sword), the ostensible excuse for it was laughable-the threat of a Soviet invasion. But the real purpose wasn't so funny-Operation Gladio's 15,000 troops were trained to overthrow the Italian government should it stray from the straight and narrow.

Similar secret armies were formed in France, Belgium, the Netherlands and West Germany- often directed, quite naturally, by former SS officers. They didn't just wait around for the Russians to come marching in; they assembled huge arms caches (many of which remain unaccounted for), compiled blacklists of leftists and, in France, participated in plots to assassinate President DeGaulle.

Many members of Operation Gladio were also in a shadowy organization known as P-2; it too was financed by the CIA. P-2 had connections with the Vatican and the Mafia, and eventually with an international fascist umbrella organization called the World Anti-Communist League.

One of P-2's specialties was the art of provocation. Leftist organizations like the Red Brigades were infiltrated, financed and / or created, and the resulting acts of terrorism, like the assassination of Italy's premier in 1978 and the bombing of the railway station in Bologna in 1980, were blamed on the left. The goal of this "strategy of tension" was to convince Italian voters that the left was violent and dangerous-by helping make it so.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Gladio_CIAHits.html


    1984 In Italy right-wing terrorist Vincenzo Vinciguerra in court reveals Operation Gladio and the involvement of NATO’s stay-behind army in acts of terrorism in Italy designed to discredit the communists. He is sentenced to life and imprisoned.

    1990 In Italy judge Felice Casson discovers documents on Operation Gladio in the archives of the Italian military secret service in Rome and forces Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to confirm the existence of a secret army within the state to parliament. As Andreotti insists that Italy had not been the only country involved in the conspiracy the secret anti-communist stay-behind armies are discovered across Western Europe.

    1990 In Switzerland Colonel Herbert Alboth, a former commander of the Swiss secret stay-behind army P26, in a confidential letter to the Defence Departement declares that he is willing to reveal „the whole truth“. Thereafter he is found in his house stabbed with his own military bayonet. The detailed parliamentary report on the Swiss secret army is being presented to the public on November 17.

    1990 In Belgium the NATO linked stay-behind headquarters Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) meets on October 23 and 24 under the presidency of Belgian General Van Calster, director of the Belgian military secret service SGR.

    1990 In Belgium on November 5 NATO categorically denies the allegations of Prime Minister Andreotti concerning NATO's involvement in Operation Gladio and secret unorthdox warfare in Western Europe. The next day NATO explains that the denial of the previous day had been false while refusing to answer any further questions.
    1990 In Belgium the parliament of the European Union (EU) sharply condemns NATO and the United States in a resolution for having manipulated European politics with the stay-behind armies.

    1991 In the United States the National Security Archive at the George Washington University in Washington files a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request concerning the secret stay-behind armies with the CIA in the interest of public information and scientific research. The CIA rejects the request with the standart reply: "The CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of records responsive to your request."

    1995 In England the London based Imperial War Museum in the permanent exhibition "Secret Wars" reveals next to a big box full of explosives that the MI6 and SAS had set up stay-behind armies across Western Europe.

    1995 In Italy the Senate commission headed by Senator Giovanni Pellegrino researching Operation Gladio and the assassination of former Prime Minister Aldo Moro files a FOIA request with the CIA. The CIA rejects the request and replies: "The CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of records responsive to your request."

    1996 In Austria stay-behind arms caches set up by the CIA are discovered. For the Austrian government Oliver Rathkolb of Vienna University files a FOIA request concerning the secret stay-behind armies with the CIA. The CIA rejects the request and replies: "The CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of records responsive to your request."


http://www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/collection_gladio/chronology.htm

Terror. Terror! Save us from terror! Yeah, right.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:05 AM
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8. As always, Tinoire, fantastic post! Here are many links, Gladio & NATO:
Google Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 14,100 for Gladio, NATO. (0.36 seconds) 

Barnes & Noble.com - Gladio: NATO's Top Secret Stay-behind Army ...
... Gladio: NATO's Top Secret Stay-behind Army and Terrorism in Western Europe. ... Gladio:
NATO's Top Secret Stay-behind Army and Terrorism in Western Europe. ...
search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/ isbnInquiry.asp?endeca=1&isbn=0714685003&itm=6 - 36k - Cached - Similar pages

Operation Gladio
... Thereafter he was to assume a shadowy and powerful role as a broker of influence
in the CIA and NATO sponsored "Operation Gladio" - a covert operation that ...
www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Parallel History Project on NATO and the Warsaw Pact
... Secret Warfare: Operation Gladio and NATO's Stay-Behind Armies
Edited by Daniele Ganser and Christian Nuenlist. ...
www.isn.ethz.ch/php/collections/coll_gladio.htm - 29k - Feb 11, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages


Parallel History Project on NATO and the Warsaw Pact
... L' Orchestre noir. Paris: Editions Stock, 1978. • Mecklenburg, Jens (ed.). Gladio:
Die geheime Terrororganisation der Nato. Berlin: Elefanten Press, 1997. ...
www.isn.ethz.ch/php/documents/ collection_gladio/bibliography.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
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Conspiracy Planet - History Recovered - CIA-Pentagon-NATO ...
... CIA-Pentagon-NATO Terrorist Groups: Gladio Et Al by DANIELE GANSER. After
the Cold War had ended, then Italian prime minister Giulio ...
www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel. cfm?channelid=130&contentid=1720 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages


Conspiracy Planet - History Recovered - CIA-Pentagon-NATO ...
... Journalist Allan Francovich in his BBC documentation on Gladio and NATO’s secret
armies asked former CIA director William Colby on the sinister FM 30-31B ...
www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel. cfm?channelid=130&contentid=1720&page=2 - 83k - Cached - Similar pages
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DeepBlackLies
... Formerly, the NATO Supreme Commander, Haig had meanwhile become President
Nixon’s ... with a promise of continued financial support for the Gladio network and ...
www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

süheyla kaya SÜHEYLA KAYA suheyla kaya SUHEYLA KAYA - Antoloji. ...
... 5. Gladio: Nato'nun Gizli Terör Örgütü; Jens Mecklenburg; Tercüme: Süheyla Kaya
Sorun Yayinlari; Politika, Sosyal Bilimler; Türkçe (Orijinal Dili ...
kitap.antoloji.com/kisi.asp?CAS=26621 - 32k - Cached - Similar pages

NATO’s secret armies linked to terrorism?
... This report written by Daniele Ganser is based on excerpts from his newly released
book, “NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western ...
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/GAN412A.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

MemoryBlog: New Book on Operation Gladio (Western-Sponsored ...
... Terrorism). From the publisher, Frank Cass: NATO's Secret Armies: Operation
GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe Daniel Ganser. ...
www.thememoryblog.org/archives/000442.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:08 PM
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17. A rotten, totally infested structure.
Much reading there! Thanks Evolvenow.

But then again, we always knew it was rotten to the core!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:21 PM
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2. Here's another little nugget from the Common Dreams article
It turns out that what Washington meant by counter-terrorism, might often have been, well, terrorism.

Here’s the money part from one of the field manuals (FM 30-31B):

"...when the revolutionaries temporarily renounce the use of force ….US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger…”

That’s to say, if there wasn’t any terrorism to speak of, the secret armies were prepared to get some going.


www.commondreams.org/views05/0210-22.htm

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:22 PM
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3. Well, at least we know now why Chavez is building an army.
We'll have warning this time, if someone attacks us on our soil. We never really knew definitively what the Bush Administration did to set off 9/11, but I still suspect it was those carpet of bombs things.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 10:21 PM
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26. We are F*****g up royally.
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 10:53 PM by hector459
Give the full four years of a second Bush term and the world will be at war with us. And I wouldn't be surprised if the UK joined them.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:34 PM
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4. Um...but I thought NATO was a white hat carrying out 'Just Wars'!!..n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:09 PM
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36. These Were Agents Acting Through Factions. Critical Thinking Would
lead one naturally to that fact. But then when you're conditioned to react without thinking....
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 07:08 PM
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42. Yeah, but remember that the definition of "just war"
is precisely what we say it is.

:-(


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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:48 AM
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5. kick
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:50 AM
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6. a TBO;24/7 kick and nominated. (nt)
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 02:51 AM by understandinglife


"DO YOU ENJOY BEING A CITIZEN OF A ROGUE SUPER_POWER?"
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:57 AM
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7. Creepy Hitler quote in searching Gladio...
All the supposed abominations, the skeletons and death's head, the coffins and the mysteries, are mere bogeys for children. But there is one dangerous element and that is the element I have copied from them. They form a sort of priestly nobility. They have developed and esoteric doctrine more merely formulated, but imparted through the symbols and mysteries in degrees of initiation. The hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say, without bothering the brain by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult, all this has a dangerous element, and the element I have taken over. Don't you see that our party must be of this character...? An Order, the hierarchial Order of a secular priesthood."

-Adolf Hitler praising Freemasonry
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:06 PM
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16. And that takes us right smack back to the Vril Society & the Illuminati
with JP Morgan, IG Farben, the Rothschilds, Prescott Bush, Skull and Bones, etc...

What I never understood is where the Tibetan monks tied into this and were posted all over Germany, especially in Berlin, Munich, and Nuremberg and were also commissioned as SS officers to work at Wevlesburg Castle, Himmler’s Occult center.

So as I post to you, I've been googling Hitler, Illuminati, Tibet because I'm now curious about the Tibetan connection, how he imported head of the Tibetan Monks to come join him & their very strange collaboration. I had never given any thought to how/why the Nazis, so steeped in the occult, had chosen the Swastika as their symbol & now after learning about the Tibet connection, I'm intrigued by the high visibility the media gives the Dalai Lama. That's curious too is that both the Americans AND the Germans were going on these expeditions to Tibet together.



Our friend Madame Blavatsky again...

MADAME BLAVATSKY AND THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY


Symbols of the Theosophical Society (note the Swastika in the left logo and the right logo is the Sun disc, indicating worship of the Sun God)

    Tibet was a very popular place to travel to in the 19th Century when most Europeans were quite disillusioned. So did also Madame Blavatsky, who as an adult saw herself as a telepath and a psychic. She was also the author to the book "Secret Doctrine". In this book she wrote that during her trip to Tibet, she was led into a secret room underneath a Tibetan monastery where she was shown texts of ancient occult and mystical secrets of the universe, which also was said to lay a route to the future course of history.

    The texts said that man once was pure spirit without a body, but had fallen down to base matter, darkness and chaos. She then was initiated into magical practicing, using esoteric symbols which learnt how the human race once again would rise into pure spirit. She claimed she was in current telepathic contact with Hidden Masters, who taught her the occult history of the human race.

    Blavatsky was taught that the most powerful symbol of these esoteric ones was the Swastica. She wrote there were 7 stages of evolution - she named them "route races". The race which should rise again to true spirit she named Aryans. In Tibet the Swastica was known as the "son of fire and creation" , but in Madame Blavatsky's teachings the Swastica was the symbol of the Aryan race.

    GUIDO VON LIST

    Guido von List (1848-1919) was an excentric person who played a significant part for the members of the Germanen Order. He claimed he came to understand the "secrets of the Runes" during an eye-operation. It was from him Hitler got fascinated by the magic of the runes. Von List also had visions that told him of an old Germanic Religion - the worship of the god Wotan. From that point he wanted to rediscover the secrets of the vanished occult heritage of the priesthood.

    von List taught that the Swastica was "...the very act of creation" based on the Norse legend about the creation of the universe.

    He was very fascinated by Madame Blavatsky's ideas, too, so he incorporated her occult teachings into his own teachings of German myth. The Germanic tribes now were called the Aryans.

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

    JORG LANZ VON LIEBENFELS
    father of National Socialism

    (snip)

    In 1905 he started publishing a magazine called "Ostara", named after the Teutonic God of Beauty. The magazine was filled with occult teachings and beliefs.

    Regarding to Liebenfels' own words, he sold quite a few magazines, and his teachings quickly started to give response. One man, who absorbed these teachings deeply was Adolf Hitler. He was so inspired by Ostara that he quoted passage upon passage of it in his future book "Mein Kampf".

    (snip)

    In 1907 he formed a secret society devoted to his teachings. The order was called "The Order of the New Templars" with its seat in Austria.

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

    ==

    Karl Haushofer was never tried at Nuremberg; ask most people to name the men chiefly responsible for the Vernichtung (annihilation) decision, and his name will not be mentioned; even most histories of Nazi Germany relegate him to footnotes. But strange stories are told about his many visits to Tibet, Japan, and other parts of the Orient; his gift for prophecy and clairvoyance; the legend that he belonged to a bizarre sect of dissident and most peculiar Buddhists, who had entrusted him with a mission in the Western world so serious that he vowed to commit suicide if he did not succeed. If the last yarn is true, Haushofer must have failed in his mission, for in March 1946 he killed his wife Martha and then performed the Japanese suicide-rite of sepukku upon himself. His son, Albrecht, had already been executed for his role in the "officer's plot" to assassinate Hitler. (Of his father, Albrecht had written in a poem: "My father broke the seal/He did not feel the breath of the Evil One/ He set It free to roam the world!")

    It was Karl Haushofer, clairvoyant, mystic, medium, Orientalist, and fanatic believer in the lost continent of Thule, who introduced Hitler to the Illuminated Lodge in Munich, in 1923. Shortly thereafter, Hitler made his first bid to seize power.

    Robert Anton Wilson
    http://www.american-buddha.com/silly.man.htm

    ==

    Many high-ranking members of the Nazi regime, including Hitler, held convoluted occult beliefs. Prompted by those beliefs, the Germans sent an official expedition to Tibet between 1938 and 1939 at the invitation of the Tibetan Government to attend the Losar (New Year) celebrations.

    (snip)
    Purported Occult Expeditions to Tibet
    Several postwar studies on Nazism and the Occult, such as Trevor Ravenscroft in The Spear of Destiny (1973), have asserted that under the influence of Haushofer and the Thule Society, Germany sent annual expeditions to Tibet from 1926 to 1943. Their mission was first to find and then to maintain contact with the Aryan forefathers in Shambhala and Agharti, hidden subterranean cities beneath the Himalayas. Adepts there were the guardians of secret occult powers, especially vril, and the missions sought their aid in harnessing those powers for creating an Aryan master race. According to these accounts, Shambhala refused any assistance, but Agharti agreed. Subsequently, from 1929, groups of Tibetans purportedly came to Germany and started lodges known as the Society of Green Men. In connection with the Green Dragon Society in Japan, through the intermediary of Haushofer, they supposedly helped the Nazi cause with their occult powers. Himmler was attracted to these groups of Tibetan-Agharti adepts and, purportedly from their influence, established the Ahnenerbe in 1935.

    http://www.berzinarchives.com/kalachakra/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html

    ===

    Here's a passage from "Storm Troopers of Satan" which references the Society of the Green Dragon and the OTO:

    "In 1929, three years after the Nazis had first made contact with the monks of Agarthi and Shamballah, a Tibetan colony was established in Germany, with branches in Berlin, Nuremburg and Munich. Apparently, however, only the monks of Agarthi were willing to help the Nazis.... The monks from Agarthi were known in Germany as 'The Society of Green Men,' because of their strong links - for hundreds of years - with the Green Dragon Society of Japan, to which Haushofer himself belonged. Indeed, seven members of the society joined up with the German-based group.

    "In Berlin, Hitler met regularly with the leader of the Tibetan community, a monk notable for his feats of clairvoyance and precognition. He was nicknamed 'the man with the green gloves,' and on three separate occasions correctly predicted, in the press, the precise number of Nazi deputies elected to the German Parliament. He also foretold the exact date when Hitler would become leader of Germany, and even the date when the Second World War would begin. This level of successful prediction soon attracted wide interest among the Nazi occultists. Himmler, as well as Hitler, became deeply interested in Tibetan Lamaism. He set up an occult training college at the Berlin section and ordered members of the SS leadership to attend courses there, especially in magic. As a result of his contacts with the group, Himmler set up the Nazi Occult Bureau. This incorporated into one organization of the Thule group, the Vril Society and the German branch of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) - Aleister Crowley's magical order."

    http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/occult-history-of-national-security.html
    ===

    ... the top Nazi's were either practitioners of the occult or believers .Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, established the Ahnenerbe, which operated out of Wewelsburg, an SS headquarters. The Ahnenerbe was the Ancestral Heritage Research and Teaching Society. Its functions included research into Germanic prehistory, archaeology and occult mysticism. Below the castle's great dining hall was a special circular room with a shallow depression which could be reached by climbing three stone steps. These steps symbolized the three Reiches. Inside the castle Himmler and his inner circle would perform various occult rituals, which included trying to contact dead Teuton heroes.

    http://experts.about.com/q/403/1615306.htm

    Is there a Tibetan connection?

    The Russians came across about one thousand Tibetan corpses in the eastern sector of Berlin in 1945 dressed in German army uniforms bereft of any insignia of rank. According to Pauwels and Bergier, a small trans-Himalyan colony was established in Berlin and Munich in 1926. One of its members, a Tibetan monk known as the "man with the green gloves", was said to have "possessed the keys to the kingdom of Agarthi". This monk took a keen interest in the growing Nazi movement and gained notoriety by accurately predicting how many party members would win seats in the Reichstag. Hitler consulted with him regularly.

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=49082

    Basics about the Nazi expedition to Tibet and the societies formed from it: http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/n-s/nazimyths.html

    ===========================================

    Interesting tidbits (at least for me):

    Via Workers World News Service
    Reprinted from the Oct. 23, 1997
    issue of Workers World newspaper


    That's entertainment? It's propaganda
    Tibet as it never was
    By Gary Wilson
    The number of anti-China movies and TV specials this fall is remarkable.

    Beginning in October, the entertainment industry is flooding the United States with what can only be described as anti-China propaganda. Everything about Tibet - two movies "Seven Years in Tibet" and "Kundun", a concert album, a documentary film and a TV special - is anti-China.

    This is clearly the main point. A Sept. 21 Philadelphia Inquirer report on the new movies about Tibet emphasized it. The Inquirer quoted a university professor saying: "It s easy for Americans to figure out who the good guys are...Tibet is seen as a truly peaceful place being overrun by the godless communists."

    And there is no end in sight for this anti-China juggernaut. Each of these productions has a political director who makes sure that the anti-China message comes through. The Oct. 3 Entertainment Weekly magazine quoted a political consultant connected with the production of the movie "Seven Years in Tibet:" "Hollywood is the strongest tool in the world."

    Other upcoming anti-China movies include a new one by Steven Seagal, who was recently proclaimed a reincarnated lama and a sacred vessel of Tibetan Buddhism. Seagal will play a CIA agent training Tibetan rebels attempting to overthrow the Chinese government in the 1960s.

    And filmmakers Ismail Merchant and James Ivory are also preparing a movie that will have as its theme an anti-socialist uprising in Tibet led by the Dalai Lama.

    In addition, Richard Gere will star in the anti-China movie "Red Corner," which opens in November.

    The anti-China propaganda campaign is no accident. While the long list of stars who've discovered Tibet as a cause may be sincere in thinking that they are trying to do good, they are really deceiving themselves.

    There is only one reason why hundreds of millions of dollars are suddenly available for the very political movies and TV productions attacking China, particularly the ones about Tibet.

    Behind this are big business, bankers and the highest levels of the U.S. government. It comes just as the United States is demanding that China open its markets to United States capitalists and turn over its government-owned industries to capitalist privatizers.

    There are many oppressed peoples around the world, but Hollywood almost never portrays them as glorious heroes.

    Where are the Hollywood films about the heroic Puerto Rican Nationalists who confronted Congress in Washington in 1954? The five Nationalists were vastly outnumbered. But their bravery inspired the whole Puerto Rican nation.

    Hollywood doesn't make movies about revolutionary national liberation struggles against imperialism. And its movies about Tibet only confirm this.

    The most blatant example of this is the movie "Seven Years in Tibet" starring Brad Pitt, one of the top stars in Hollywood.

    The New York Times review of the movie by Janet Maslin was headlined, "A challenge for Brad Pitt: Making a Nazi charming."

    The movie is based on a book by Heinrich Harrer about his time in Tibet in the 1940s when he and the Tibetan ruler - the Dalai Lama - became good friends. The book never really mentions Harrer's background, which was only recently exposed. Harrer always denied he was a Nazi until there was so much evidence that he had to admit it last spring.

    Harrer was a member of the Nazis' elite SS who was sent to Tibet, probably by Hitler himself. There is a picture of the two of them together that recently surfaced.

    According to a lengthy investigative story in the October issue of a magazine called Men's Journal, the Nazi-Tibet connection is much deeper than anyone is talking about.

    "Harrer's presence in Tibet may have been related to a terrible but little-known Nazi campaign" to join forces with "Aryan Tibetans" to rid the country of the British - and eventually wipe out non-Aryan Eastern races, especially Asian Jews, the Men's Journal reports.

    The magazine also reports that Harrer had been preceded into the country years before by a Nazi reconnaissance team sent by SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Evidently the Dalai Lama was aware of Harrer's Nazi assignment and goals.

    Most of the other information put into the Hollywood Tibet propaganda is just as reliable as Harrer's denials that he was a Nazi.



    The Tibet ruled by the Dalai Lama was no "Shangri la," as Hollywood seems to claim. Women were considered to be inferior to men. "Tibetans were ruled by an unusual form of feudal theocracy," says Tom Grunfeld in his history book, "The Making of Modern Tibet."

    Grunfeld writes, "The vast majority of the people of Tibet were serfs." They were "tied" to their masters and had no say over their own lives, even who they were to marry.

    In addition, probably about 5 percent of the population was slaves to the nobility. This was true in the 1940s. Punishment for defiance of the rulers was harsh. While "Seven Years" shows the Dalai Lama protecting an insect, it does not show the slaves who had their heels slashed for attempting to flee slavery.

    Contrary to what is being shown by Hollywood, the Tibetan people welcomed the Chinese Red Army when it arrived. It meant the end to slavery and serfdom and the brutality.

    Today Tibet is prospering, as any visitors to the region have to admit. Food is no longer scarce. Education is available for all. Doctors and health care are guaranteed rights for the whole population. No one wants to return to the rule of the Dalai Lama in Tibet - no more than the people of the United States want to return to the rule of the royal family in England.

    The Tibetan workers and peasant farmers have won their freedom and are not interested in returning to the feudal life that has been falsely glorified by Hollywood.

    - END -

    (Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted if source is cited. For more information contact Workers World, 55 W. 17 St., NY, NY 10011; via e-mail: ww@workers.org. For subscription info send message to: info@workers.org. Web: http://www.workers.org)

    ===

    CIA ran Tibet contras since 1959
    By Gary Wilson
    While the CIA's contra death squads in Central America are generally well known in the United States, its operations in the Tibetan region of China are virtually unknown.

    According to a Jan. 25 report in the Chicago Tribune, "Little about the CIA's skullduggery in the Himalayas is a real secret anymore except maybe to the U.S. taxpayers who bankrolled it."

    The Tribune report is titled "The CIA's secret war in Tibet". It is the first major report on this contra operation in a corporate-owned newspaper in the United States, although this news has been reported many times in the pages of Workers World newspaper.

    Tibet has become a chic topic. It is a favorite of the rich conglomerates that control Hollywood, including Disney and TriStar, which are making movies about it.

    Actors like Richard Gere have become vocal champions of Tibet's overthrown supreme ruler, the Dalai Lama.

    While they like to quote extensively from the Dalai Lama's rarefied speeches about his noble intentions and his pacific nature, none will honestly confront the real history. It matters less what the Dalai Lama says than what he does.

    Up until the time when his rule was overthrown, the Tibetan region of China was dominated by a feudal oligarchy. While most of the population lived in extreme poverty, the Dalai Lama lived richly in the 1,000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.

    In 1950, the Chinese People's Liberation Army entered Tibet. They secured the borders and controlled foreign affairs. The Dalai Lama continued to live in his palace. But in 1959, the Dalai Lama led a bloody uprising against the Chinese government.

    After the uprising failed, the Tribune reports, the Dalai Lama went into exile in India where the CIA set up and trained the Tibetan contra army.

    The Tribune writes that "Air Force pilots working with the CIA" asked potential recruits one question: Do you want to kill Chinese?

    These recruits were trained at U.S. military bases in Okinawa, Guam and Colorado. They were then dropped into the Tibetan region of China by "American pilots who would later carry out operations in Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam War," the Tribune reports.

    "By the mid-1960s, the CIA had switched its strategy from parachuting commandos into Tibet to setting up the Chusi Gangdruk, a grizzled army of 2,000 ethnic Khamba fighters, at secret bases across the border in pro-U.S. Nepal," the Tribune reports.

    The Tribune report adds: "`For years, the only way Tibetans could get a hearing in the world's capitals was to emphasize our spirituality and helplessness,' said Jamyang Norbu, a leading Tibetan intellectual who joined the guerrillas briefly as a teenager. `Tibetans who pick up rifles don't fit that romantic image we've built up in Westerners' heads.'"

    The Dalai Lama has always refused to answer any questions about his ties to the CIA, the Tribune writes, even though much of the contra operation in India was coordinated by "his elder brother, a businessman named Gyalo Thondup."

    The Tribune report claims that U.S. government support for the Dalai Lama's contra operations ended in the 1970s. But those familiar with U.S. covert operations around the world don't buy it.

    Ex-CIA employee Ralph McGehee, who authored many exposes of the CIA, says that the CIA is a prime mover behind the new 1990s campaign promoting the cause of the Dalai Lama and Tibetan independence. And a key player in the new operation is none other than the Dalai Lama's eldest brother.

    Already, three bombs are known to have been detonated in Tibet this year. The most recent was on Dec. 25 outside a Chinese government office in the Tibetan capital of Lhasa.

    Ever since the victory of the socialist revolution in Russia in 1917, the capitalist powers have glorified tyrants thrown over by workers. To the Western press, the Russian czar, a brutal and cruel dictator, became a near poet-king.

    The prevalence of anti-communism as a near religion in the United States has made it easy to sell slave masters as humanitarians. The Dalai Lama is not much different from the former slave owners of the Confederate South.

    He was an owner of slaves until 1959. He ruled over a harsh feudal serfdom.

    And while the Dalai Lama says he will no longer own slaves and he will no longer claim his royal rights over the serfs of Tibet, it's only because the Tibetan workers and peasants have won their freedom and won't let the oppressive conditions return.

    China had a successful socialist revolution. Every day since that victory, the former exploiters have been overtly and covertly trying to foment a counter-revolutionary overturn.

    While the socialist state was crushed in the Soviet Union, it hasn't been in China, even though the socialized character of the economy has been diluted by widespread capitalist investment.

    None know this better than the U.S. ruling class.

    It's the reason that Clinton's new secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, declared a "hard line" against two countries in her first news conference Jan. 24: China and Cuba.

    - END -

    (Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted if source is cited. For more information contact Workers World, 55 W. 17 St., NY, NY 10011; via e-mail: ww@wwpublish.com. For subscription info send message to: ww-info@wwpublish.com. Web: http://www.workers.org)

    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6173/ciatibeh.htm


    Photo of the Dalai Lama with Tokyo subway gas attack mastermind, Aum Shinryo cult leader Shoko Asahara

    And a story about that here: http://www.american-buddha.com/shokoasahara.htm

    At this point... it just gets to be too much for this morning!

    What a trek your post sent me on! So much to try to learn, so little time...
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 05:40 PM
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21. WOW! What a post!! My first thought was China. So sad the amount of terror
inflicted by those seeking a so-called spiritual path. Compassion, and love are the only true spiritual paths. Killing people, not very evolved. Very sad, so complex, quite fascinating.

kick
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:30 AM
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27. Thank you. Here's a treat you'll appreciate then...
And thank you for sending me on that trek. It was very, very interesting and I learned a lot I didn't know.

1. Very good history of Wewelsburg too long to snip/post so please go to it:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/piet.fontaine/oth-pub/wewelsburg/wewelsburg.htm


2. Wewelsburg Castle

A photo tour of the Wewelsburg Castle in Germany, 20 km south-west of Paderborn.

In 1934 the castle was rented by Heinrich Himmler for 1 Reichsmark and its primary role was that of a SS officer's school.The goal was to research the National Socialists ideas and extend them to the racial theories . From 1936 onwards the castle's main purpose was to become a 'cult centre' as well a prestigious centre for SS Generals. From 1940 plans were developed, incorperating the village of Wewelsburg, for a new castle complex centered around the North Tower of the castle. For this a Konzentrationslager was build in Wewelsburg. Of the 3900 prisoners at least 1285 died building the castle or starved to death. In 1943 the building was stopped and the remaining prisoners were transfered to other camps. Two days before the US forces liberated Wevelsburg (2nd april 1945), a special commando of the SS, blew up the castle leaving only the outer walls standing. The rebuilding of the castle began in 1949 and was finished in 1979.



(looks quite a bit like that Skull and Bones chamber at Yale)







http://www.wwiirelics.com/wevelsburg.htm

3. Tons of photos of their rings here: http://seifukuwatch.kir.jp/english_no1.htm



4. A few more pictures here: http://www.heresie.com/wewelsburg.htm

Fascinating stuff isn't it?? I am still wowed by it too. Like I said, thanks for the trek!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:15 AM
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31. “Gladio” stay-behind units formed to fight behind the lines
THE SPOILS OF WAR

The Secret Story of WWII Japanese & Nazi Gold



By David Guyatt


The use of suspect gold to launder drug profits is well established.  One example of such laundering activities concerns a rogue airline that had the reputation of flying anything to anywhere.  Over a two-year period between 1989-91, the airline made four flights carrying gold bullion weighing 160 tonnes with a market value of two billion dollars.  Each of the four flights carried boxes with twelve bars of gold to a box that overall weighed 41 tonnes per flight.  All the boxes were palletised for easy loading and accompanied by a guard.  The flights originated from Medellin, Columbia, and were airlifted to London and apparently cleared both ends without customs inspection. <1>  

 The amount of gold shipped was more than the gold reserves of most central banks.  The question then arises: where did this gold originate?  The likelihood is that it was part of the vast amounts of gold plundered in WWII by the Axis powers.  


(snip)

In the latter months of the war, Bormann looked to SS Major Otto Skorzeny to play a crucial role in spiriting away Nazi loot before Germany surrendered. <19>   In early 1944, Hitler’s “favourite commando” was sent on a secret mission to the Corbieres region of the French Pyrennes, on the instructions of SS leader, Heinrich Himmler.  What the purpose of this mission was remains unknown. <20>    

These curiosities multiply even further.  Pierre Plantard, the central character of the Rennes le Chateau mystery and supposed head of the ancient Order, the Prieure of Sion, is reported to have transferred a “large quantity of gold to Switzerland in 1952.” <21>   Despite claims that the Priory of Sion has a 1000-year history dating back to the Order of warrior knights, the Knights Templar - chartered in 1151 - it only surfaced in 1956.   

It is said that the founding of the Priory of Sion was an artful ploy by Charles de Gaulle to conceal the true activities that were taking place in France at that time.  These had more to do with laundering suspect gold bullion and political intrigue than ancient treasure, religious cults or biblical bloodlines.  The latter were an accrual of old myths and legends cobbled together to form a diversionary cover story <22>  

The selection of Annemasse on the French Swiss border for Priory’s headquarters in 1956 is also interesting.  This small border town is reported to be the centre for the “Gladio” stay-behind units formed to fight behind the lines in the event the Soviet Union invaded Western Europe.  The prospect of Russia over-running Europe was most unlikely - a fact known by the US and European military and intelligence community of the day.  The Europe-wide Gladio operation had far darker designs.  Its principal objective was directed at keeping the allegiance of Western European nations securely in the US economic orbit as well as moving their political infrastructure further to the right. <23>  
(snip)
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_spoils_of_war.htm#_edn23
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:38 AM
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9. Its the only way conservative right wing ideology can take root
through deception, fraud, and violence. I'm convinced now more than ever that socialism would have prevailed if the people were left to choose. Instead, capitalism became the fraudulent winner in the ideological race. It is doomed to fail.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:53 AM
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10. Seymour Hersh is a National Treasure he is....
actually Reporter that reports. He is actually one not taking bribes from bush the lesser. Imagine that!

:dem:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:48 AM
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38. this is why you don't see him often on MSM (Tweety has him now & then)
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:53 AM
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11. Seymour Hersh is a National Treasure he is....
actually Reporter that reports. He is actually one not taking bribes from bush the lesser. Imagine that!

:dem:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 09:45 AM
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12. See what happens when you let Iran Contra felons back in the White House?
They start committing the same crimes all over again, just they use the Pentagon instead of the CIA as their tool.

Speaking of Iran Contra, Richard Armitage signed the Project for a New American Century along with Brother Jeb, Rummie and Cheney AND he was on the Board of Directors of DataBase Technology the Florida Company that drew up the bogus felons list that stole the 2000 election for W. that was responsible for the first coup (along with help from Scalia) so that W. could fill the White House with recycled Iran Contra goons like Armitage and start the same old dirty tricks all over again.

That means the Iran Contra group is the same as the Neo-Cons and the Iran Contra Group is directly responsible for the Bush-Cheney Coup.

Let Freedom Ring (Hollow)

:nuke:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 05:37 PM
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20. Fight the PNAC! Sue B*sh and Thugs-Support http://www.dougwallace.com
http://www.dougwallace.com

Print out the letter and be sure to write WALLACE vs. BUSH on the outside of the envelope. Tell everyone.

kick
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:33 AM
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28. What a small incestous bunch they are
And people have the nerve to act as if it was ok to vote for those criminals.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:05 PM
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41. Hitler's Big Lie hypnosis technique sadly is still working--kick
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:14 PM
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13. self delete
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 12:24 PM by paineinthearse
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 01:11 PM
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14. Actually some regions of the US experienced this during the late 60's
through early 1970's when the illegal "war" on domestic political dissidents, MH CHAOS/Operation CHAOS, was operating during the Nixon administration under the shield of the Huston Plan. Over 300,000 US citizens and organizations were targets of every asset of the US government, this included murder and other crimes.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:26 AM
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43. Bob, you always have the most fantastic posts, thank you. kick
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:02 PM
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15. One step closer to understanding the 9/11 attacks
It's right from the manual. How long until the truth comes out?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:10 PM
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18. Is there a Nobel Prize for Journalism? If not, there oughta be!
Sy Hersh is a true treasure.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 05:34 PM
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19. Finally the truth comes out. They had the silence of many because
those days are over (or they were supposed to be). Totally against promoting Democracies and in fact it ruined many a democratic turn a country took.

Well if you try and bring it back as a 'policy option' you will have to deal with the whole history of that 'policy'. Did it work out in Iran? (where the Shaw was parachuted in instead of Democracy) Did undoing Democracy work in Zaire (where those girls were raped by UN employees because war is going on a full 40 years after the CIA helped kill the elected leader). Where else did it work well?

What a bunch of idiots. The right wing hawks got away with an awful lot because Carter had changed the 'policy' and thus there was nothing in it for journalists to publish the information (though it was common knowledge on campuses all over the world).

Fire with fire ***holes!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:00 PM
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22. OPERATION DEMAGNETIZE marked the institutional hardening of Gladio
GLADIO: THE SECRET U.S. WAR TO SUBVERT ITALIAN DEMOCRACY
by Arthur E. Rowse

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gladio.html

OPERATION DEMAGNETIZE

With the Italian secret service under control, the Americans then expanded it under the name Operation Demagnetize and tied it to an existing network of cadre in northern Italy. In 1951, the Italian secret service formally agreed to set up a clandestine organization within the military to coordinate with the northern cadres. In 1952, SIFAR received secret orders from Washington to adopt ``a series of political, paramilitary and psychological operations destined to diminish the power of the Italian Communist Party, its material resources, and its influence on government. This priority objective must be attained by all means.'' 10

Operation Demagnetize marked the institutional hardening of Gladio. A State Department historian characterized it as the ``strategy of stabilization,'' 11 although it could be more accurately described as one of destabilization. From the start, the offensive was secretly directed and funded by the U.S. government. In 1956, the arrangement was formalized in a written agreement, using the name ``Gladio'' for the first time. According to 1956 documents uncovered in Italy in 1990, Gladio was divided into independent cells coordinated from a CIA camp in Sardinia. These ``special forces'' included 40 main groups. Ten specialized in sabotage, six each in espionage, propaganda, evasion and escape tactics, and 12 in guerrilla activities. Another division handled the training of agents and commandos. These ``special forces'' had access to underground arms caches, which included hand guns, grenades, high-tech explosives, daggers, 60-millimeter mortars, 57-millimeter machine guns and precision rifles. 12

In 1956, Gen. Giovanni De Lorenzo was named to head SIFAR on the recommendation of U.S. Ambassador Claire Boothe Luce, the avidly anticommunist wife of the publisher of Time magazine. 13 A key player in Gladio was now in place. In 1962, the CIA helped place De Lorenzo at the head of the national police (carabinieri), while he retained effective control of the secret service.

The general brought with him 17 lieutenants to begin purging insufficiently right-wing officers. It was the first step to a right-wing coup attempt, with U.S. military attaché Vernon Walters in the vanguard. In a memo to De Lorenzo the same year, Walters suggested types of intervention aimed at provoking a national crisis, including blocking a center-left coalition, creating schisms among the socialists, and funding forces favorable to the status quo. 14

Meanwhile, according to CIA files found in Rome in 1984, CIA station chief William Harvey began to recruit ``action teams'' based on a list of 2,000 men capable of throwing bombs, conducting attacks, and accompanying these actions with indispensable propaganda. 15 These teams had a chance to practice their skills in 1963 as part of an anti-union offensive. U.S.-trained gladiators dressed as police and civilians attacked construction workers peacefully demonstrating in Rome, leaving some 200 wounded and a large section of the city in shambles. The link to Gladio was made in later testimony by a former general in the secret service. 16

(snip)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:09 PM
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23. What Uncle Sam Really Wants - Noam Chomsky

What Uncle Sam Really Wants


Noam Chomsky

Copyright © 1993
Table of Contents

The main goals of US foreign policy

1. Protecting our turf
2. The liberal extreme
3. The "Grand Area"
4. Restoring the traditional order
5. Our commitment to democracy
6. The threat of a good example
7. The three-sided world

Devastation abroad

1. Our Good Neighbor policy
2. The crucifixion of El Salvador
3. Teaching Nicaragua a lesson
4. Making Guatemala a killing field
5. The invasion of Panama
6. Inoculating Southeast Asia
7. The Gulf War
8. The Iran/contra cover-up
9. The prospects for Eastern Europe
10. The world's rent-a-thug

Brainwashing at home

1. How the Cold War worked
2. The war on (certain) drugs
3. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
4. Socialism, real and fake
5. The media

The Future

1. Things have changed
2. What you can do
3. The struggle continues
4. Notes

read online...
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html


read this short book online for free for a broader overview of our foreign policy since WWII

psst... pass the word


http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/trifecta.mp3

more...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/trifecta/

peace
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:48 PM
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24. Kicked, bookmarked, & nominated.
Thanks evolvenow!

:kick:
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:48 AM
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30. Thanks so much, Robert! kick-ing
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:17 PM
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25. Michael Ledeen is linked to Gladio
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 07:18 PM by Minstrel Boy
And there's a Yellow Cake link to both.

From my blog last August:

Yellow Cake and Black Shirts

We should have been paying attention all along, but particularly since the sadly unsurprising revelation that Italian military intelligence looks to have served as a linchpin in the Niger "Yellow Cake" caper, we would do well to brush up on the strange case of Michael Ledeen

You know Ledeen: arguably Washington's most influential neoconservative. He's resident scholar of the senior neoconservative think tank the American Enterprise Institute, and regarded widely as one of the world's leading authorities on intelligence, counter-intelligence and international affairs. From the beginning, and before the beginning, Ledeen has been one of the loudest cheerleaders for the "War on Terror."

Now, do you know of Italy's "Strategy of Tension"? It was a campaign of false-flag terror in the late 1970s, waged by outright fascists who enjoyed the patronage of the CIA, the Mafia and far right elements of the Italian State. These were the Gladio Brigades and Licio Gelli's P2 Lodge, and they intended to discredit the increasingly popular Communist Party, and to ensure it would not take power, by staging terrorist acts in the name of the Left. Their campaign culminated in the Bologna train station bombing of 1980.

Now, do you know where Michael Ledeen was during these years, what he was doing, and with whom he was doing it?

From tompaine.com:

...terrorism has been Ledeen's bread and butter since at least the late 1970s, when he consulted for Italian military intelligence.

From Asia Times:

Ledeen's right-wing Italian connections - including alleged ties to the P2 Masonic Lodge that rocked Italy in the early 1980s - have long been a source of speculation and intrigue, but he returned to Washington in 1981 as "anti-terrorism" advisor to the new secretary of state, Al Haig.

Over the next several years, Ledeen used his position as consultant to Haig, the Pentagon and the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan to boost the notion of a global terrorist conspiracy based in the Kremlin, whose KGB pulled the strings of all of the world's key terrorist groups, especially in the Middle East.

An excerpt from Herman and O'Sullivan's The "Terrorism" Industry:

In 1980 entered into a collaboration with Francesco Pazienza, an agent of the Italian secret service (SISMI) and a member of Rome's extreme right-wing Masonic Lodge, P2 (Propaganda Due), headed by the fascist Licio Gelli. In an Italian criminal court in 1985, Pazienza was judged guilty of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses. Indeed, according to the findings of the court, Pazienza falsified information about the Bologna bombing in order to divert attention away from the real (right-wing) terrorists who had staged the attack.

From Barbara Honegger's October Surprise:

When the Italian police raided (P2 Lodge founder) Gelli's home in March 1981, it was Michael Ledeen who, at the instigation of Alexander Haig and Henry Kissinger, offered to buy the list of 953 P2 members in an apparent attempt to keep it from becoming public. Henry Kissinger had also reportedly sent Ledeen to Italy to try to squash an investigation into his and Haig's involvement in the founding of P2.

On the morning of August 2, 1980, a massive bomb since linked to Gelli...exploded in the waiting room of the central train station in Bologna, killing 81 people and injuring 200 others. General Santorito, the chief of Italy's military intelligence agency, SISMI, who was also reportedly a member of P2, testified in the wake of the bombing that it had been planned by the British-Swiss-American Montecarlo Comite, P2's "sister" organization based in Monaco. When P2 had come under increasing scrutiny in 1979, grandmaster Licio Gelli had reportedly made his base of operations the Montecarlo Comite.... Not surprisingly, reported members of the Montecarlo Comite are Gelli, Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig and Michael Ledeen.

And this assessment, translated from the Italian:

One of the most dangerous of these "bad teachers" is Michael Ledeen, promoter of the the idea of "universal fascism". These days he does not stop threatening war against Iran, Syria, and Lebanon, and has evidently been chosen once more by the establishment to manipulate institutions and threaten those who oppose his dangerous and wicked madness. On the other hand, Ledeen has a long history of interference in Italy's strategic choices. During the Moro case he was among those "most suspected" of having misled the enquiries, with the collaboration of the "bretheren" of the P2. It was wondered and it is still wondered why the Italian magistrates do not carry out adequate enquiries about him and his work

And now, from the man himself. Some of Ledeen's own words, on a leadership trait he admires, from his book Universal Fascism:

In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging... we are rotten.... It’s true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led.

Back to Italy, for some of his thoughts on the fascist era:

...fascism nevertheless constituted a political revolution in Italy. For the first time, there was an attempt to mobilize the masses and to involve them in the political life of the country.

And on Mussolini himself:

He never had enough confidence in the Italian people to permit them a genuine participation in fascism.

The resemblance between the recent mass murder in Madrid and the Bologna bombing extends, I suspect, well beyond the scale of carnage.

Why do some insist on calling these people neo-fascists? I see nothing new here.





http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/yellow-cake-and-black-shirts.html
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:35 AM
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29. Minstrel Boy
Rigorousintuition is you?! :wow:

I'm felling like Garth right now- not worthy!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:52 AM
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32. MUST READ, LaRouche -kick
From Volume 4, Issue Number 2 of EIR Online, Published Jan. 11, 2005
Latest From LaRouche

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2005/2005_1-9/2005-2/latestlyn.html

LaRouche Calls for a Concert of Nation-States; a Peace of Religions
(snip)

LaRouche: Osama bin Laden is a Bush asset. So, it didn't happen that way.

What you've got, if you look at the total picture: We had from the late 1960s, especially during the early 1970s, we had the unleashing of terrorism in Europe. Now, there is no such thing as international terrorism, as I think you can understand from your experience. There is, however, terrorism, as distinct from some entity called international terrorism. There are people who practice terrorism. Sometimes it's not called terrorism, sometimes it's called freedom fighters. Sometimes it's something quite different.

But, what we have on this planet, we have a group that we took over, from the United States, after Roosevelt died, which was a hard part of the Nazi system. We took it over, and we digested it into our system. It became part of NATO. It's all over the world. And we have these fellows that are now third generation of that sort of people. They did, as they did, for example, in the 1970s, in the case of the Pinochet coup, the Operation Condor in Argentina, Chile, and Bolivia — this was done by ex-Nazis. People like della Chiaie. And this was this type.

Host: Klaus Barbie and company.

LaRouche: Yeah. You had, for example, the killing of Aldo Moro. Aldo Moro was killed by a Nazi stay-behind, which was inside Gladio, which was part of NATO, inside NATO intelligence. And they killed a former head of state, or head of government, because he was proposing things they didn't like.

Now, I've seen coups, I've seen killings of heads of state, and people of that importance, because of this kind of stuff. I've been the target of this kind of stuff myself. This goes on all the time.

So, what we're dealing with, is not international terrorism. We're dealing with people who represent a terrorist-type capability, coup capability, killing people, or running stunts in order run coups against governments. And what I'm looking at in terms of 9-11, which I saw coming. I didn't see the 9-11 operation as such; I was looking at other things. But I knew that the United States was a target of an international terrorist-type operation, whose purpose was to try to push through what became the Patriot Act. It was an attempt to establish a dictatorship in the United States, by terrifying the people, and using a horrible incident to get the excuses, as Goering did in 1933, to get Hitler into power. The same kind of thing.
(snip)

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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:43 PM
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33. Most people in Europe don't know anything about Gladio...
at least in Germany.
I remember watching a late-night documentary 20 years ago about the killing of the christian democrat Aldo Moro in Italy, and the facts were so overwhelming that he was killed, because he supported a coalition with the non-leninist non-stalinist democratic communists in Italy then...

The sad thing is that these facts don't count and will never make it to the public consciousness. They are so far from the mainstream "news" that one could as well try to convince people that aliens did take over the planet. People would rather believe the alien-story...

As Adolf Hitler did write in "Mein Kampf", Chapter 10:
"(...)in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

Dirk
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:01 PM
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34. Exactly, Dirk. It is an actual hypnosis...but the truth is coming out more
and more.

kick
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:06 PM
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35. Timothy McVeigh
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:04 AM
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46. WTC attack.
<<It turns out that during the Cold War, European governments and secret services conspired with a NATO-backed operation to engineer attacks in their own countries in order to manipulate the population to reject socialism and communism.>>

Knowing that Osama Bin Laden worked closely with the CIA during the Afgan war with Russia, that Bush Sr was head of the CIA during this period, and the bush families close personal / business ties to the rest of the Bin Laden family, I beieve it is unreasonable to question our governments, and the bush family role in the WTC attack.

Without the attack, shrub would have been impeached years ago, the repukes would not have been able to advance their agenda, haliburton would be minus the 2nd largest oil reserve in Iraq, a huge oil reserve in Afghanistan, and we would have a Democratic president in the office right now.

A thousand bucks would be legally considered as a motive in a crime. Why overlook the motive potential of about 10 Trillion dollars?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:30 AM
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37. kick
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 10:20 AM
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39. Meanwhile, in Japan
the free-wheeling, liberal days of the Occupation came to an end with the Korean War.

The U.S. military wanted to use Japan as a stable supply base for the Korean War, but they were afraid that leftist unions would impede their efforts.

They therefore released from prison a number of convicted war criminals who had ties to the yakuza and got them to send the yakuza after the unions.

That was the end of any political activism on the part of the unions.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 04:23 AM
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40. Superb post LL, kick
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:46 AM
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44. Is this the first step to exposing MIHOP????
The strategy apparently involved supplying right-wing terrorists with explosives to carry out terrorist acts which were then blamed on left-wing groups to keep them out of power.


Al-Qaeda's attack sounds like these right wing terrorist attacks to me.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:56 AM
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45. I had always suspected this; but not of the UN
I have suspected it concerning our own governments actions though.

As this policy is ultimately tied to capitalism, and the large corps who seem to control it, could this type of policy actually be the largest single contributor to the spread of terorism worldwide?

I believe that it is.

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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:38 PM
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47. Greed and Hatred=2 most devasting qualities --- kick
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