Buchanan vs. Sharansky on MtP

[derby378]

Dang! A real debate! Did you see, and if so, what did you think?

[spanone]

1. I had to agree with Buchannan. Never thought I'd say that.

[Ilsa]

3. Scary, isn't it?

Sort of makes me want to go get a colonic after thinking about how much I agree with his arguments on democracies and dictatorships, why 9-11 happened, etc.

[phylny]

16. Same here.

I didn't "hear" it, but saw the closed captioning on the TV (was at the gym) and I kept thinking, "Why do I agree with Buchannan?"

I was momentarily aghast :)

[Ilsa]

2. I'm grateful that the idiot Russert stayed out of it.

I was going to start this thread...thanks. Russert hasn't said a word in over five minutes. Thank goodness he knows he isn't up for this debate. Earlier with Rangel (God Bless him!) and Grassley, he sounded incredulous at the idea that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

Good show today. Rangel also mentioned how Bush* talked about privatizing SS when he ran for Congress several decades ago, claiming the program would be bankrupt in ten years (ha!).

[LostInAnomie]

4. Damn, our NBC affiliate has MTP on insanely early so I missed it.

What happened?

[imenja]

15. it replays on MSNBC

tonight and tomorrow night. It also replays on NBC in the middle of the night, sometime near 3:00 am. It was a good debate about whether or not promoting democracy abroad is essential to the war against terror. It comes on after a discussion on SS between Rangel and Grassley, which wasn't memorable.

[Palacsinta]

5. Good debate

........particularly when Buchanan went over Bin Laden's fatwa against the United States which resulted in 9/11. Should be shouted over the airways daily.........we were NOT attacked because "they hate us for our freedoms"!

[Rockerdem]

6. A debate on a superficial level

The visual image that MTP wanted to broadcast again (and reinforce) was "Buchanan against the Jew". They operate on a more gut level. It was typical TV mudwrestling.

[drthais]

7. The REALLY IMPORTANT thing about this 'debate'

on MTP this morning...

we all know that * says he has read Sharansky's book
I don't know about THAT; maybe it was read TO him...
that aside, I was curious about Sharansky's thoughts
I even toyed with the idea of reading the book myself
but what I really wanted to know
was whther Sharansky was a nut-case - and guess what? he is

Buchanan was spot-on
he said * was WRONG about why we were attacked on 9-11
that it is not because 'of our freedoms'
but because we militarily occupy ground in the middle east
and OBL thinks we ought not to be there....period
that occupation is the CAUSE of terrorism not the solution

Sharansky , it turns out...is an angry ex Soviet Jew
jailed long ago and freed to help pacify Reagan's beef with Russia
once Buchanan had him going about Isreal and the Palestinians
it was all over but the shouting - and there was lots of 'shouting'

like I said - the guy is nutz-plus, his ideas are way simplistic
which of course explains in part why Bush is so taken with the dude
it wouldn't be feasible that * would fall in love with a complex thought or message

Sharansky is Isreals' PNAC'r

[Straight Shooter]

8. The Economist had article on bush's "love affair" with Sharansky's book

See The Economist, Feb. 5 - Feb 11 issue.

It's very discomfiting to read. Clearly, Sharansky's book, The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror, is bush's real "Bible."

[hollowdweller]

9. Peckerwood Pat creamed Sharansky.

I mean creamed him! I think what we like about Pat, in some ways is the same thing we like about Dean. He stands up for what he believes in and he doesn't give a damn about pussyfooting around the issues. I thought his argument was convincing. Kerry should have used some of that language in his debate!

[Strelnikov_]

13. I Will Give Him That. He Speaks His Mind. But He Is Still One Person

I want nowhere near the Presidency.

[ecoalex]

11. bus* 's latest adviser

Sharansky is the shrub's latest mentor, after Chalabi , and we know how good he was.

A person has to be way out there, and imbecile, or just a spy, and the shrub welcomes you .

[K-W]

12. The kind of book title that makes you want to puree your brains.

I mean what a moron.

[Strelnikov_]

10. Bascially, Buchannan Called Out The Excuse Of 'Building Democracy'

as a ruse, without coming out and using the word ruse.

I am willing to bet that Our Leader has never read this book. One of his handlers simply filled his head with the 'Fighting For Democracy' idea to keep him on message with the prole feed reason for future adventures.

The only difference between what Buchannan said, and the way a DU’er would have phrased it, is the DU’er would have went the extra step and pointed out that the handlers behind Our Leader are simply using it as an excuse to consolidate control over the world’s remaining oil reserve’s.

If the 'Democracy' angle was so important, why didn't we hear about it in the build up to war?

Doesn’t make Buchannan any less of an anti-semitic racist. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[imenja]

14. Buchanan says what most Democrats don't have the courage to say

most notably Kerry. Buchanan's analysis is entirely cogent on the Iraq war and on the Israeli occupation. Why, I wonder, was he so determined in his support of George Bush for the presidency considering they agree on very little. It makes me wonder if more so-called paleo-conservatives might have supported Kerry if he had demonstrated the courage to articulate more substantive policy differences with Bush.