latest "Voice of the White House" . . .

[OneBlueSky]

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1373.htm#001

February 6th, 2005: “As I recall, I gave you information on the pending US/Israeli attacks on Iran some time ago and you posted them. These were of course, plans. Now, Bush and Rove are pushing to execute them. There have been secret staff meetings with the British and most especially with the Israelis on this. It has been decided not to use a US carrier group stationed in the Gulf because we have suddenly discovered that the Iranians, with help from the evil Russians, are armed with missiles that could sink ten aircraft carriers.

The new plan is to use strategic bombing from bases in Italy. Turkey is out because we have been openly courting the anti-Turkish Kurds and they are very angry and we can’t use Saudi Arabia because the royal family is terrified of the consequences. Kuwait is being looked at and Israel doesn’t like this at all.

(snip)

The real war is an economic one which we are losing just as we are losing the ground war in Iraq. The Russians, French and Germans and probably the Swiss are working on replacing the dollar with the euro. The excuse will be the massive Iranian counterfeiting of US dollars. The second stage of this economic war will be to get the Chinese to ally with the eurobloc. China has been supporting the US Treasury by buying up their notes of which they hold billions. If they drop this and revalue their currency, not pegged to the dollar, it will be finis for Uncle Sam. Right now, deals are being made to supply even bigger markets to China than the US can offer and they are also playing the card that the US is supporting India’s economy as an Asian rival to China.

(snip)

Look for faked ‘domestic polls’ to come out soon (these have already been bought and paid for) that show Bush’s confidence level “soaring” with the American public and that the same believe that we have “won” in Iraq because of the “stunning results” of the useless election.

- more . . .

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1373.htm#001

[fooj]

1. This is some scary stuff.

How in the hell are we going to stop these evil maniacs?

[Gyre]

4. We won't, because we have no voice.

despite representing 49% of the electorate (if not more). They have to destroy themselves. Democrats doing anything (ie, protesting on the floor of congress) which gives the repubes the appearance of legitimacy only helps them and prolongs our and the world's misery.

The dems at this point should only be assisting their efforts to fuck the constitution and america in general by providing no resistance other than refusing to vote when it's futile. Anything else is just a poor attempt at justifying their own existance at the expence of the country.

Get used to it. If you read any history at all, you'll find despotic regimes don't tend to last long.

Gyre

[crispini]

2. I'm really not sure how much cred to give this guy...

but this made the hair on the back of my neck stand up:

Civil war is about to break out in earnest there and we haven’t a clue. I told a Pentagon bigwig yesterday that when the whole thing caves in, Bush will put the blame onto the Army for lying to him and letting the American people down. He believed me and asked me for advise. I suggested that if Bush were no longer President, he could do no further damage to anyone. Point was well taken. These are certainly interesting times.

[fooj]

3. Holy crap! This is a wild thought....

Has anyone considered the possibility of Rove turning on Shrub? Hell- we know that Rove doesn't do anything unless it directly benefits himself...
I don't know- I just read the guy as someone who will stop at nothing...

[Spazito]

7. Hmmm, your excerpt makes me wonder...

why this guy would give such detail about his conversation with a "Pentagon bigwig", wouldn't that put him at risk of being identified easily by his words? How many people would have said those exact words to a Pentagon bigwig?

Either this guy is a phony or is taking a huge risk, I am not sure which but am skeptical at this point.

[soleft]

5. At first VOTWH struck me as stridently anti-Israeli

Now he reads blatantly anti-semetic.

Up until now I believed him to be a fabrication, but a highly entertaining, and OMG, what if he's real - read.

Now I'm thinking, if he's a fabrication, then I'm highly suspicious of the motivation of this website.

[geek tragedy]

6. TBR news is run by real life NAZIS. Get your news somewhere else. eom

[EFerrari]

8. Could you elaborate? I don't know these people and homepage says nada

[geek tragedy]

9. Here's a few links from their site:

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a760.htm

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a181.htm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barnes_Review

[johnaries]

10. I think you're right. I followed a link in another thread to their site..

and clicked on the Book List and read some of their "book reviews". I encourage everyone to do the same amd make up your own mind.

[geek tragedy]

11. Did you see the one where they criticized an author's "anti-Hitler bias?"

:puke:

[johnaries]

13. I saw several that mentioned "bias", but not SPECIFICALLY anti-HItler.

I also saw several talking about the Holocaust. Well, I try to be open minded and never "judge a book" without looking at least alittle deeper, but I think I have seen enough.

The front page (cover) looked great! I didn't click on any of the links, but the headlines seemed very interesting! Since they said the site started out as a book review club, that's when I decided to check out their book list.

The first couple of reviews, I thought I saw a pattern. After a couple of more, the pattern became clearer.

After that, I will just have to echo your opinion:
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[EFerrari]

12. Thanks you, greek tragedy. n/t

[woodsprite]

14. Any possibility that TBRNews is Rove? n/t

[yodermon]

15. TBR = "The Barnes Review"

As mentioned in this thread, a blatant anti-semitic holocaust revisionist site.

http://www.barnesreview.org/

[OneBlueSky]

16. based on the info on this thread, I did a little digging . . .

on Google and found some interesting info about Walter Storch, the webmaster and apparently chief writer of TBRNews . . . in a footnote on this site . . .

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol48no1/article10.html

I found this . . .

Gregory Douglas, Gestapo Chief: The 1948 Interrogation of Heinrich Müller (San Jose, CA: James Bender, 1995, 1997), 3 vols. Douglas has used the pseudonyms Peter Stahl and Walter Storch on the Internet. He claims a former CIA officer is one of his sources, a claim that officer has denied to me. The documentary evidence he purports to have remains his secret. Those facsimile documents he includes in his books are said by experts to be of his own making and cannot be found in the National Archives. Whatever happened to Müller, the one certainty is that he never came to America.

so I searched Peter Stahl and found this . . .

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/Peter_Stahl/

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/Peter_Stahl/data280299.html

running Gregory Douglas yielded this . . .

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Requests/Cryptome181200.html

http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/news/010530douglas.html

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n2p40_Douglas.html

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=43097
(sorry about this link . . . it didn't copy properly . . . the URL is
surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=43097)

Ever heard the name Gregory Douglas? He´s an author - counterfeiter, really - working on the margins of revisionist history. It doesn´t appear his name is genuine, either.

To quote David Irving, Douglas "is the classic Muenchhausen Syndrome type, seeking to attract attention to himself - using names like ´Freiherr von Mollendorf,´ and generally living the life of a suave spy, adventurer, and sophisticate."

Other pseudonyms cited by Iriving include "Samuel Prescott Bush," "Christopher Crowles," "Bob Sonderby," "Peter Stahl" and "A. Zackery Mehlis."

Irving continues:

He operates under many pseudonyms, but from a police file I saw some years back his real name seems to be Norwood Burch, born March 22, 1930. He reportedly acquired his alias through association with the former "B" movie director Roger Steele in Los Angeles in the 1970s. When he signed onto the Prodigy internet service in 1994 he certainly used a credit card owned by the name "Burch"."

and from the Southern Poverty Law Center . . .

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=32

And then there was one "Gregory Douglas," with his top-secret German document proving conclusively the Bush Administration and Israel knew about and likely orchestrated the attacks.

"Israel is always involved in everything!" he said.

That certainly got the attention of the attendees. Except, as a sheepish Bill White noted on his "libertarian socialist" Web site later (White had initially hailed the document as revelatory), it turns out that Douglas is an accused forger.

Veteran European journalist Gitta Sereny has written that Douglas forged a document that he told her was proof that the Americans and British had helped two Nazi war criminals escape Europe in 1945. Douglas' later book on one of them, Gestapo boss Heinrich Muller, was, she wrote, "filth" that was as "fake" as the earlier document.

that's all I have time to do right now . . . I'm sure there's more out there if anyone is interested in continuing the research . . .