Do you hold bush accountable for 9/11?

[Bouncy Ball]

I do. He was in office, the buck is supposed to stop with the president, it happened ON HIS WATCH and now we know they ignored FIFTY-TWO FUCKING warnings about it.

FIFTY-FUCKING-TWO.

That is CRIMINAL my dear friends. That's right, CRIMINAL.

If this had happened nine MINUTES after Clinton took office the right wing wackos would be screaming and shouting their heads off and pissing their pants over how he ALLOWED it to happen. And they KNOW it. They know they would act that way.

This guy was in office NINE months and ignored fifty-two WARNINGS about it. And not just GENERAL warnings, either, but damn specific ones.

I hold him accountable. I hold his entire administration accountable. The blood of those 3,000 people are on BUSH'S HANDS.

I will never forget and never forgive. My great-grandchildren will know the president in office at the time, a bastard named bush ALLOWED THE WORST TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL TO HAPPEN.

Didn't do a fucking thing to stop it. Not a damn thing.

I'll tell them in case their history books don't. I'll make damn sure everyone I know knows. I already do. You should see the looks on right wing faces when you tell them you hold him accountable. But I'm not doing it for their reaction. I'm serious about this, I've thought something was fucked up about that from the get-go.

And now I have total verification. He let it happen. Too bad, so sad for those poor souls jumping to their deaths that day. The president had fifty-two warnings, but didn't think American lives were worth lifting a damn finger for.

Do you hold him accountable?

[Lindacooks]

1. Absolutely damn straight.

Wether LIHOP or MIHOP, Bush* is a criminal of the first order.

[firebee]

94. The Repubs hold Clinton responsible for the 1st WTC attack

He wasn't in office for two months when the first WTC attack occurred, but the Republicans insist the first WTC attack was committed on Clinton's watch. If that's the case.... Then hell yes Bush is responsible for the 9/11 attack. 9/11 was 8 months into Bush's term and that's 6 months longer than Clinton had before he had to deal with the first WTC attack.

[Grey Ranks]

2. No

At least not mostly responsible. He wasn't the one who flew planes into buildings.

What do you think he should of done?

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[Grey Ranks]

Wow...

Yes well, I am sure that my 68 posts means that I am servile worm. Not yet graced with the piercing gaze of all light that immortals like yourself posses. I apologize most benevolent and wise master.

I didn't say it didn't bother me, your presume too much sir. It is obvious you are ranting since the failure to capture Bin Laden, and voting for Bush, don't have anything to do with the questions. I just asked an honest question, and I was looking for some honest answers. I guess you don’t have any. How is it you hold him responsible, but aren’t aware what he could of done better. If Gore had been president, would you blame him too?

[Bouncy Ball]

28. Why don't you keep reading through the thread

for some more answers, servile worm? (Hey you called yourself that.)

[Grey Ranks]

32. Fair Enough

[journalist3072]

8. Here's what he should have done.....

Paid attention to the damn intelligence that was coming his freakin way! That's what!

You've got people like George Tenet who called it the summer of threat, and said people's hair was on fire! Bush was too busy taking vacations every time you turned around, to pay attention to what really mattered!

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Exactly

Clinton left plenty of information and plans on how to get AlQuida but the Bush administration IGNORED it. :grr: All because of it was from Clinton and a democrat. He and everybody involved are murders!

[journalist3072]

33. Thank you!

Bush may not know much about the English language, but he was pretty much operating under his very own ABC rule- Anything But Clinton.

If it had Clinton's name associated w/ it, he wanted nothing to do with it. However, he could have learned a lot from how Clinton handled the Millenium Threat. During the Millenium Threat, Clinton made his CIA and FBI Directors, as well as others involved in terrorism, come to the White House every day for mandatory meetings. What did they do in those meetings? Shake down the trees to see what information was being gathered in all of their respective departments. And on New Year's Eve, as 1999 turned to 2000, Janet Reno slept in the Justice Department, in case anything happened.

In other words, they treated terrorism as a Tier 1 issue--of the highest priorty.

[fujiyama]

59. Don't forget

They were also too obsessed with bullshit like missile defense (ironically some 3 years later the SOB asks for a reduction in this worthless boondoggle) and of course their dearest pet of all - Iraq.

While I'm not on board MIHOP, LIHOP is certain a possibility. To have seen all those warnings coming their way, it certainly seems like they purposely turned a blind eye.

[Bouncy Ball]

68. I remember all that missle defense bullshit.

[journalist3072]

85. You're right on target.

And I was reading an article today (forget where, but I think MSNBC.com) that said the United States' latest missle defense test failed--once again.

[Kadie]

13. he should have done something, anything

but what he did was nothing.

52 warnings. He could have, should have, done something. Maybe it wouldn't have stopped things, maybe those same guys would have got on those planes, maybe a few of them would have been stopped. Who knows. But he should have done more than nothing.

[Bouncy Ball]

14. It's probably acceptable to bushbots

that he did nothing.

After all, what's the sacrifice of 3000 Americans and British in order to be able to kill many more Iraqis?

Small price to pay to bushbots.

[foreigncorrespondent]

15. Ummm...

...try him actually being a president and calming his nation down when all this was happening. Rather than being the mouse that he is and flying all over the country because he was as scared as a jack rabbit.

Sheesh! Start facing reality mate!

[bpilgrim]

17. at the very least he should have reacted the day it happened

instead of reading my pet goat, the horrid event took almost 2 hours to play out and his admin FAILED to respond at all... not even WARN all the folks in the 2nd tower :argh:

and he should have took steps to increase security on airlines and inform the public before 911 of the growing threat.

hows that for starters.

peace

[FreedomAngel82]

30. When he was told

about the attack the first time he should've immediately told them to shoot down the second plane. Only the President can do something like that. I remember reading how when Bush arrived at the school a reporter standing by asked him if he knew what was going on and he said he knew. So why did he continue to do his precious photo-op?! Since his brother was the governor of Florida he could've easily rescheduled to protect the people of this nation! :grr:

[Bouncy Ball]

31. And the third plane, and the fourth plane....

[driver8]

89. He couldn't act -- he was scared shitless!

He had no idea what to do. He sat there like a fucking log because he was scared. He was going to actually have to take on some responsibility and be a president rather than have someone bail him out.

[Bluebear]

21. He should 'of' met with his terrorism expert who was pushing for a meeting

Instead of clearing brush on his fucking pig farm.

[barb162]

74. yes, he just ignored everything didn't he? But then whaddaya expect

from that MORON

[kodi]

36. done? not order clinton's military operations to kill bin laden stand down

while in office clinton had the US military on 24 hour alert to kill bin laden using cruise missiles, bomber attacks and helicopter assault using special forces units in the persian gulf.

within days of taking office, bush ordered these operations to stand down.

bin laden and his people had been hiding like gophers until then. afterwards, with the pressure off of him, he resurfaced and began operations again.

when bill clinton came into office he had to shut the windows and lock the doors george herbert walker bush left open. when clinton left office, the doors and windows were locked. bush (the lesser) opened the windows and unlocked the doors to american security.

he should face the same fate as any officer whose ship runs around on his watch. removal from command.

[Bouncy Ball]

40. That explains a lot.

I always wondered if there was anything to the fact that bin Laden chose to do this AFTER bush took office and not while Clinton was in office. Again, explains a lot. He basically couldn't do it as easily when Clinton was in office.

bush taking office must have been, for bin Laden, like getting the keys to the candy store.

God, that makes me SICK.

[TahitiNut]

54. Of course he didn't fly the planes. He's a coWard who hides behind ...

... other people dying. Besides, he's not a pilot. :shrug:

He's a slimy coWard and a pathological narcissist.

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. What should he have done??

Maybe alert the airlines that bin Laden was planning on hijacking planes? Maybe airport security could have been increased? Maybe alert the people of this country that bin Laden was planning on hijacking planes and give those people the OPTION of flying or not? Maybe he could have stayed home instead of going on vacation every friggin' day he was in office? He had the info. Sandy Berger had briefed the administration on bin Laden. Condi received a memo from Richard Clarke warning her about what bin Laden was going to do. They shelved the info Berger gave them because of ARROGANCE. It was from that Clinton administration. What did he know? I wish you would stop defending this administration. That's all you have done since you've been here. I've read your posts. They let 911 happen, if not, they made 911 happen. THAT is indefensible. This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, in case you don't know.

[Bouncy Ball]

69. I suspected as much. Advanced Search is our friend.

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. What do YOU think he should have done?

You think his ignoring FIFTY TWO WARNINGS is A-Okay? Well, do ya?

[journalist3072]

3. Absolutely!

I most certainly do hold Shrub accountable for 9/11, because he was receiving information from within the intelligence community about bin Laden's determination to strike on our soil.

In January 2001, Richard Clarke asked for an urgent and important principles' level meeting to discuss Al Qaeda, but was denied that meeting until September 2001, days before 9/11.

And President Bill Clinton's outgoing National Security Adviser, Sandy Berger, told Shrub's incoming Natl Security Adviser, Condi Rice, that she would spend the majority of her time on terrorism, and specificially Al Qaeda, than another other issue. She did not take heed to Sandy Berger's warnings. That is amazing to me.


So yes, I do hold the Bushies accountable. And I fault any Bush supporter who voted to put him back into office, for co-signing that kind of incompetence.

[flordehinojos]

5. I do ... he was conspirational on it because it suited his purpose.

[Birthmark]

6. Oh, yeah.

Fifty-two warnings and it never occurred to them that having a few fighters up in the air might be a good idea.

Btw, when golfer Payne Stewart's plane veered off course, it was intercepted in just nineteen minutes. Contrast that with what happened on 9/11.

[Bouncy Ball]

10. I always wondered something about this....

I KNOW they can scramble fighter jets REALLY fast and the metropolitan New York area isn't exactly ruralsville, USA.

So...um.....?????

[Dhalgren]

7. Of course he is accountable, but he never will

be held accountable. Because this country wanted to kill Muslims. This country wanted to kill Arabs. Bush allowed 9/11 to happen because his neocon managers needed it to implement PNAC. He allowed the attack to take place so he could have his "Pearl Harbor" and this country allowed him to do it. If he had been screaming to kill The British or the Catholics, most Americans would have reacted negatively; but he screamed for the blood of Arabs and Muslims, and the country couldn't wait to start the killing.


So, yeah, Bush should be held accountable, but he won't be, because this country as a whole is covered in the blood of innocent men, women, and children. And once that accounting starts, who knows where it will end...

[satya]

49. Don't underestimate the power of the citizens of this country to hold him

accountable. The things he does are NOT IN OUR NAME. He was not elected to office. You are right, there are extremists among us who share his thirst for blood and his lack of respect for life, but there are many more of us who are devastated by what this regime has done and are screaming for the killing to stop. Our voices will be heard.

[foreigncorrespondent]

9. Yes I do.

Always have for the exact reason you stated. It happened on his watch! He was the sitting president regardless of how he got there. And it about time he became a man and stood up and took blame for it.

[Bouncy Ball]

11. He has ZERO balls, that will never happen.

[bling bling]

12. Completely, totally, unequivically.

The blame goes all the way up and stops at the top.

[n2mark]

16. I agree with you

[SnoopDog]

18. The Resistance...

When will it start... in force?

[Bouncy Ball]

20. I'm marching in Crawford in March

second anniversary of this bullshit immoral nasty clusterfuck of a war.

And I got his resistance right here. I'm resisting by speaking out, to everyone I know, by making my opinions known, I'm resisting by never watching the mainstream media on TV or reading newspaper articles. They're all shills, and that's putting it nicely.

I've been resisting by thinking for myself and connecting the dots, and in bushworld, that's a federal offense.

[SnoopDog]

22. Our force is growing....

All we want back... is OUR America...

Circa 1776 -> 2005

[Northern Perspective]

19. And what about the Hart-Rudman Report?

http://www.cfr.org/publication.php?id=5100.xml

[Bouncy Ball]

23. Kick and that's a good link.

Who's up for a bumpersticker that says:

"52 WARNINGS BEFORE 9/11. BUSH DID NOTHING."

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Of course I do!

I would no matter who the President was! It's THEIR job to protect us and the job of those he appoints. He KNEW and did jack! Yet he gets off scott free. If this was Clinton or any other democrat who was President they'd be impeached so fast before you could say the word "impeach." :grr:

[Bouncy Ball]

25. He be burned at the fucking stake no less than three months after

it happened, count on it.

[Jacobin]

27. Yes.

It is very clear from all the whistle blowers who stepped up since 9/11 that he completely and utterly ignored warnings, blew them off, did absolutely nothing, didn't even have a meeting about them, went on a one month vacation and was criminally negligent in allowing them to happen...at the least.

[oasis]

29. Condi "clueless" Rice is mostly to blame. Her job was to connect the dots

and her dizzy ass fell asleep at the wheel when the information was coming in hard and heavy.

[Bouncy Ball]

35. I hold the entire bush administration to blame

especially the key people like her, but MOST OF ALL, him. The buck is supposed to stop with him.

I always thought it was really slimy and spineless of him the way he constantly deflects blame onto anyone but him. What happened to standing up, grabbing your balls and saying "I'll take the heat for this, I'm the president."

????

[Starlight]

34. Absolutely. n/t

[XOKCowboy]

37. He was cutting brush, remember?

His priorities were getting prayer in schools and cutting taxes for the rich. He took more vacation time in his first 9 months of his term than any sitting president.

Hell YEAH I hold him responsible. Of course if you ask him, he's never made a mistake as president. He gave Tenet a Medal of Freedom and promoted his National Security Advisor to Secretary of State. Ask a Freeper and they'll tell ya one day he'll be looked upon as the Greatest President In History. Is this a nightmare? I hope I wake up soon and America is once again the greatest country on Earth.

[Bouncy Ball]

41. Well the freepers are DEAD wrong about that.

History will NOT be kind to him. Not at all. It's already a "harsh mistress" and it will be especially harsh to him.

I think we are living through THE worst US president EVER in the history of the US.

[MellowOne]

38. The more I read about his reactions

all the warnings, the way Rice reacted, I feel they ignored the warnings because they wanted 9/11 to happen. They needed a Pearl Harbor for Iraq.

[Mend]

39. Of course, he knew, he did nothing, he lied...eom

[pinniped]

42. Sure, the repukes are the party of personal responsibility.

Last I checked the piece of shit is a registered repuke scumbag.

The POS also has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands. But of course the POS doesn't care because his buddies are richer and no one is going to bring up war crimes charges against him or his scumbag cronies.

[jayfish]

43. I Hold Him Responsible.

He has yet to be held accountable for anything.

Jay

[The Magistrate]

44. Of Course He Is Accountable, Sir

He was in charge, having usurped office, and that is where the responsibility for the failures must ultimately rest.

[Colorado Blue]

45. Damn straight. nt

[satya]

46. Yes!!! For the 3000 who died on that day, for the 10,000+ he murdered

in Afghanistan, the 100,000+ he murdered in Iraq, the children there who are dying for lack of clean water and food, the troops he's sacrificed in his endless quest for power, the people in our country who are dying for lack of good health care...

[Hissyspit]

47. Of course...

Clinton says he warned him about bin Laden. Clarke (Clark?) says he warned him about bin Laden. It shouldn't have happened and probably wouldn't have if Gore had won. (Although another type of attack might have happened under Gore.

[hiley]

48. Definitely

I hold bush accountable. He let it happen and he apparently wanted it to happen.

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. pResident POS after 9/11 regarding 9/11

"Little did I know that I would hit the Trifecta." :grr: :mad:



on edit: Oh yeah! I hold him accountable!

[BattyDem]

50. Absolutely!

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=2

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=2


updated to fix link

[Grey Ranks]

51. The Game is Afoot

[agincourt]

52. All in all,

Laura and I had a wonderful year.(2001) Somethings awful rotten in america. The neo-cons always get who they want, Hatfield, Wellstone, Rather, Mapes, Gray Davis, Kerry, Max Cleland, but they just can't seem to get bin Laden for some reason. Awfully rotten.

[deacon]

53. Now more than ever--it's clear they were asleep at the wheel and

it's more clear they used 911 to attack Iraq, which is what cheney and co wanted all along.

[Dangerman]

55. Absolutely.

[malmapus]

56. Hell yes I hold him accountable.

He was at the helm so to speak when it happened, it happened on his watch. As a CoC this countrys defense should be his top priority, keeping its citizens safe. He failed on that horribly by having an attack of that magnitude on our own soil. Even if it wasn't him and a Democrat was sitting in the Oval Office, I would hold them accountable as well.

But what irks me is that he SAT there, while we were under attack and did nothing for what seven fucking minutes. A real commander would have taken charge and got things moving...even if it was too late at least he could have taken the role he was given.

I don't know much about PNAC, MIHOP or LIHOP, all I base my views on is what I saw that day and have seen since.

[magellan]

57. The buck stops with Bush**

Commander in Chief and in office for 3 months (not including vacations) when the threats began coming through. He couldn't have been unaware unless the National Security Advisor wasn't doing her job...and again, that's down to him. HE appointed her.

But I think he's too much of a wuss to step up to the plate.

Republicans love to talk about how they're the party of "personal responsibility". About time they back up their big words with action and hold Bush** accountable for his part in allowing the 9/11 tragedy to happen, obstructing the 9/11 Commission's investigation by refusing to testify publicly and under oath, and withholding the damning 2nd part of the final report.

[Bouncy Ball]

71. The republicans (in charge, not the ones who have come to their senses)

are One Big Opposite Skit. That's what I've decided.

Anything they say, they actually mean the OPPOSITE. If bush says he's going to fund something (and it isn't weapons), it means he's about to slash it.

If they say they are the party of "personal responsibility" it means "we take responsibility for SQUAT."

And so on.

[ComerPerro]

58. How could anyone NOT?

I mean, really.

[Bouncy Ball]

70. Heh, I'll go outside and round you up about twenty

who not only don't blame him but would be aghast, AGHAST I tell you! at the very THOUGHT that anyone would DARE to blame The Great Jesus---I mean bush!

[PowerToThePeople]

60. Yes.

[Disturbed]

66. What he should have done.

He should have had the head of the FBI and CIA report any kind of activity relating to al Q. to him directly. He should have put all airports on high alert and rigorous screening. He should have gone after al Q in Afghanistan knowing that they were responsible for the embassy bombing in Africa, forgot the exact country, and the USS Cole. Yes, there are things he could have and should have done but he did not do a freakin' thing.

The Bush Junta are accountable for the 911 Attack and they should be held accountable for it. Gross negligence at the least and criminal complicity at the worst.

[Pepperbelly]

62. Totally ... he is an incompetent shit who surrounded himself with other

incompetent shits.

He shouold be jailed for his malfeasance.

[jbnow]

63. Responsible for 9/11

But even if they were "innocent" there he is responsible for the horrors that followed, using it to make this country a neo-con wet dream.

[Bouncy Ball]

72. Good point

but I doubt highly he's even innocent of neglect leading to 9/11.

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. Yes. He's responsible for 911.

If not MIHOP, LIHOP. No doubt about it.

[mopaul]

65. yes

always have, always will hold him and his henchmen responsible.

[No Exit]

67. YES! George W. Bush is RESPONSIBLE for 9/11!

[indigo7]

73. Freepers Ranting on this Post

http://bambenek.blogspot.com/2005/02/your-modern-democrat-party-du-blames.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1342964/posts

Don't they have better things to do than be brownshirts?

[Democrat Dragon]

75. No, I hold the PNACers responsible.

*=puppet

[Individualist]

78. Criminally accountable!

Trifecta George and the cabal belong in prison for the rest of their rotten lives.

[cthrumatrix]

79. I'm afraid it's worse than we can imagine....they are trying to bring

down the US....look at what is happening.

[Mandate My Ass]

81. Yes-they want to destroy this country

and turn it into a third-world banana republic; no social safety net, no workers' protections, no freedom of speech, no checks and balances, no civil rights, no dissent, no separation of church and state, no education, intentional destruction of our economy for the enrichment of the few, no right to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures, no Constitution really.

They're almost there too.

[VOX]

80. * was the nation's chief executive on 9/11; therefore, he is responsible.

Regardless of his obvious puppet-status, he holds the top job title, even if on a nominal basis. He is supposed to be in charge, so ultimately, he is accountable for the events of 9/11.

Of course, when "ripping the bark off the diseased tree," the whole rotten right-wing PNAC-and-pals cabal should be imprisoned.

[Name removed]

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[egoprofit]

83. guilty as charged

n/t

[noonwitch]

84. Yes, he is accountable for his total incompetency.

bin Laden's guys are still criminally culpable, since he did allegedly declare they were responsible on tape.

Bush had several warnings in writing, and more from the career people at the FBI/CIA/etc. He is responsible for not coming up with a response to the intelligence sent his way. This is just the latest info. When you are president and you are warned not just by your own law enforcement/intelligence people that something is about to happen, then warned further by everyone from the russians to the italians to the moussad (and they know their business, whatever else you want to say about them), to the egyptians and still have no strategy in place to prevent the attacks, then you bear responsibility for incompetence.

[lostinacause]

86. Not fully responsible

Two reasons

1) A problem of that size is not two years in the making. Other administrations in the past had influence and a chance to solve the problem before it came to what it is.

2) Given the information and circumstances I’m not sure he could have taken the necessary steps to prevent it in a cost effective manner. (By cost effective I mean if the government was to act on every threat there would be no money left for other types of necessary spending.)

[Sleepless In NY]

87. lostinacause bush is completely responsible for 52 plus reasons

Bin Laden and al Quida were mentioned in 52 intelligence warnings. So was the possibility of planes being used as weapons in a "spectacular suicide". In addition a January 2001 memo warned bush that bin laden was a serious threat, and action needed to be taken. Neither bush nor rice could be bothered meeting with Richard Clarke, the Anti Terrorism Czar appointed by President Clinton, to discuss this. Then there is the August 2001 PDB: "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the U.S." What more did bush need? A personal telephone call from bin laden before he paid attention?

What was the only placed attacked before in the U.S.? Gee it was the World Trade Center...you don't think that maybe it might have dawned on the bush administration, it might be a good target for a "spectacular suicide" by plane? Imagine if he and rice had just sat down with Richard Clarke once, & discussed all of this.

Apparently that didn't happen, and that's because bush couldn't be bothered with anything but tax cuts and vacations.

So do I blame him? You're damn right I do. Completely. He should be impeached for failing to preserve, protect and defend our country. And for suppressing and lying his & rice's ass off about their negligence.

[lostinacause]

91. I believe that steps that would have had to be taken to prevent

the attack on the World Trade Center, given that there was no guarantee that the event would even happen or that their plan would work, should not have been expected. These types of things happen and it is prohibitively costly to stop all of them from happening. In hindsight it is quite obvious that he should have done more given the warnings but even if he had done more I still think that it was likely to happen.

[Lilith Velkor]

88. The admin is criminally negligent at best

Possibly complicit, but if I had proof of that, I'd be dead.

Say, whatever happenned to the anthrax mailer?

[driver8]

90. He should be held accountable...

as should Rice, Cheney, and the rest of the criminals. These people did nothing -- nothing!! If they were in the military, this would be called "dereliction of duty." Oh, but wait...we don't hold our "Chimpy in Chief" to the same standards as our service people...

[shesemsmom]

92. I do!!!!!

His incompetence got us where we are. It is where we are headed that really puts the fear in me now

[DinahMoeHum]

93. Absolutely. AFAIAC, he didn't merely drop the baton Clinton gave him

regarding the threats that the al Qaeda posed, he flung it into a garbage dumpster.

:grr:

[Stop_the_War]

95. YES!

[Tim4319]

96. There is no doubt in my mind!