The Dean Scream. Never saw it before. Just watched it. THAT WAS IT????

[demodonkey]

OK, I never watched the "Dean Scream" before. Didn't see it for some reason at the time and never wanted to see it later, mainly because the way people talked about this it sounded like the poor man was a good candidate who suddenly went completely crazy and practically tore off his clothes or something.

Well.... I finally looked it up and watched the video, just now.

WTF -- That was ALL there was to it???

My God, that was nothing more than a good, rousing campaign speech! We need a lot MORE speeches like that, from all candidates on all levels (dog catcher to president!) For Pete's sake, maybe it would wake a few people up and get them to really look at what is going on in this world.

Geesh.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. That's what is called a "media smear".

[demodonkey]

3. Obviously. Very big time, too. As I said, it was nothing... Geesh! nt

[Warpy]

14. Video from elsewhere in that room was online the next day

but has since gone to where I can't locate it quickly.

It showed a huge, packed room and the fact that one could barely hear Dean over the crowd noise.

The cherrypicked video that some DLC flunky shopped around was a tight shot that excluded the huge crowd. The audio was from an isolation mike, one that eliminates all the ambient noise in the room.

That's what that was.

It had to be an inside job, a DLC job. No one else had means, opportunity, and motive.

[BlueEyedSon]

19. No, i bet all the news media had the feed from Deans mic.

Who (in news) would want his speech with all the room noise? It might be impossible to hear him over the crowd otherwise....

:)

[ck4829]

2. The Dean Scream sort of proves Dean will never be a DINO

And that is why the 'liberal' media hates him so much.

[Az]

4. For a time there wasn't a moment that the scream wasn't playing

Somewhere on the media. It was 24/7. And every commentator would screw up their face and make tsk tsk sounds. It was pure media assasination.

[yardwork]

5. I agree completely. There was nothing wrong with that speech at all.

Also, it wasn't even intended to be videotaped, much less televised. Dean was reenergizing up his supporters after a wrenching loss. He was talking to a relatively small group of dedicated volunteers at night, in the dark, and some jerk infiltrated, videotaped, and handed over the tape. Then the media ran with it in a coordinated attack.

I have a feeling I know who sent that jerk and his name is Karl Rove.

[libertypirate]

6. propaganda? -- They were able to use that clip to make...

Dr. Dean look unstable..

Why would they want to do that?

[Rockerdem]

7. Monarchy

As the years go by, we have developed a TV image of our top leaders. It seems that the job requires the sedate pucker of the English monarchy. Anything "hot", an youre pigeonholed to the end stool of the Cheers Bar.

[Yellow Horse]

12. Well, THAT needs to change! We NEED a leader who is...

not afraid to show a little enthusiasm. Let the Queen go pucker herself, this is America and after all we revolted to get away from all that pomp, lol!

I saw John Edwards speak twice, he was just as, uh, "peppy" as the Dean Scream speech, and he was like a rock star... Also look at some of the third party candidates... they aren't afraid to do what is necessary to get out a message. David Cobb especially comes to mind; he's a VERY passionate speaker.

Hell, I'd trust a person who can lead a cheer (yeeeaaahhh!) a thousand times before I'd trust a chimp-face!

[tridim]

8. That was it.. and that wasn't it..

The scream only sounded odd because it was a direct mic feed with no crowd noise. It'd be like putting a mic on a typical excited sports fan in a loud stadium and filtering out all the other sound. The fan would sound like a loon.

It's nothing to worry about.. The mainstream media that loves to report this crap is about to die. They're a joke, and they know it.

[Southsideirish]

9. It was too spontaneous and genuine - the moribund American media

couldn't fathom its honesty.

[MemphisTiger]

10. Hannity plays it every day...STILL

Gotta keep an eye on the other side. But, the conservatives say it lost the race for him, when he already lost Iowa by then.

[MsUSA]

11. I know, I never thought it was that bad either......

but then, there it was on EVERY channel being played over, and over and over, and everyone saying how bad it was and then, that was it, Dean's presidential career was over.

[KittyWampus]

13. No, There Was The Entire Inappropriate Speech He Did BEFOREHAND

again, Dean supporters absolutely refuse to admit to the painfully obvious which is:

You don't give a rally speech to your core supporters when you're on Nati0nal TV in front of a National Audience in a National Campaign doing a CONCESSION SPEECH after lsoing the first vote in a primary.

Just like you don't roast someone at a funeral.
Just like you don't tell dirty jokes when you're toasting the bride and groom at a wedding.

[demodonkey]

15. Well, I watched all that. Sorry, but I saw NOTHING inappropriate, just

an enthusiastic candidate trying to inspire his supporters for the next leg of his campaign. Big deal. As I said, we need more of that, IMHO. I would like to see all political speeches be so strong and rousing.

"Losing" in one of the first primaries is not quite the same thing as a conceding after a November election.

On edit: BTW, I actually HAVE roasted someone at a funeral before... we all sat around and told funny remembrances of the person (some not so flattering stories, but all were heartfelt). Best celebration of a person's life I ever went to.

[Voltaire]

20. Here we go again

Repeat after me....THE SPEECH WAS NOT INTENDED FOR THE NATIONAL AUDIENCE.

It was not scripted. It was meant to rally the troops in that room. Including myself. It was not FOR anyone else.

There wasn't a damned thing inappropriate about it under the circumstances. Know what appropriate gets us? Out of the fucking White House.

Its really simple and I am at a loss as to why I have to explain it on these boards once a week. Fuck, it was so loud in that room that if you asked most folks that were there they don't even REMEMBER the scream. I didn't remember it the next day.

If you have issues with Dean, that's okay. But the speech was nothing to get bent out of shape over. Until the whore media got ahold of it. Don't carry their water for them.

[txaslftist]

16. YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGHH!

Scream on, Doctor Dean!

[seaglass]

17. You were watching it out of context. At the time, Dean just had a

major unexpected loss and his reaction was totally off, it was embarrassing. The tone (not the volume)just didn't match the circumstances and it appeared forced - and yes I did see it live.

But you know what? That was in the past.

My opinion is firm about what I saw that night but it in no way impacts my hope for Dean as DNC Chair to do a good job. I think he has the ability and wish him the best.

What more could you want?

[rniel]

18. If we had the press on our side at all

I would've loved to see on t.v. played over and over that video of Bush flipping the bird. Just as much playtime as the dean scream.

[ICantBelieve]

21. It was a little over the top

But the freakin' media made a lot more out of it than there was to it. Very annoying...

I'm so SICK of the media trying to make the news rather than just report it.

[Jacobin]

22. but but but, it shows he's CLEARLY deranged, and and and

he's one of those LIBERALS and and and, he's nuts and OUT OF CONTROL and he CAN"T BE TRUSTED and the Dems are DEAD if he gets out in the open and says anything and and and.............

MSM will continue to bash him as he's a non-PNAC person who wants to balance the budget and bring back the Fairness Doctrine. He's the MSM's worst fucking nightmare, which is why I LOVE DR. DEAN.