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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:35 PM
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While left looks for a handle on Gannon, right puts Jordan's head on pike
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 01:38 PM by BurtWorm
Gannon is a small fry. Jordan is a trophy. There's not much there there with Gannon. Jordan, on the other hand, was sacrificed because he said what a lot of journalists around the world believe: the US military, or some of its personnel, has deliberately targeted journalists covering the Iraq war to be killed.

Jordan, I believe, backed off of what he was saying because he didn't want to be misunderstood as accusing the US of having a policy of "journocide." That is exactly how the right has been playing it, trying to make Jordan sound like a nut or a traitor.

What Jordan actually said, according to the reports of his remarks that I've seen on mediachannel.org and elsewhere, is that some of the deaths of journalists in Iraq were not merely collateral damage: i.e., the result of their being too close to actual targets. Jordan was saying that at least some of the journlaists killed in the war--including several at Hotel Palestine and the al-Jazeera journalist killed during a live report--were targets themselves. Jordan implied that they may have been mistaken for someone else or thought to be insurgents or snipers, but the bullets that killed them were meant for them.

Seeing as he was head of an American news agency, I doubt Jordan could even allow himself to think the worst about the US military. The reason his remarks were applauded by other journalists, however, is that there is a suspicion that targeting journalists in Iraq may be policy--or perhaps just tolerated. Jordan did not say that, but he probably understood that that's how his remarks might be interpreted by the international journalists in the room.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:36 PM
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1. GOOD
The more MSM whores whose heads end up on pikes, the better!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:39 PM
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2. Unfortunately, with Jordan gone, the American media can pretend
the story is gone. But Jordan wasn't the story. How so many journalists have died in Iraq is the story, but it won't be covered here.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:42 PM
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6. Jordan was destroyed for telling the TRUTH.
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 01:43 PM by UdoKier
And he was destroyed, even though he backed off THE TRUTH.


How is the truth being squelched ever good? How will this encourage his successor, or counterparts at other networks to be truthful the next time the US military deliberately kills a bunch of journalists.


MSM whore or not, NOTHING about this is GOOD.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:19 PM
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15. are you kidding me Walt?
the only ones going are the ones who have not been drining the Kool Aid.

This is intimidation to get the left AND the center to shut up. The powers that be are using "bloggers" to do it.

How is it that a first time blogger topples CNN head and all we are doing is giggling about Gannon's homosexuality?

The only people in MSM who are losing their heads are the ones the Bushies want gone.

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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:39 PM
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3. I wonder; why did he say it? Perhaps, because it's true?

No discussion of the veracity of his assertion, just condemnation that someone could say that we kill journalists. Well, we're killing just about anything that moves over there, so why not journalists?

Why is it so unthinkable that we'd kill journalists? There's no better way to keep the lid on the actual news from Iraq, I think.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:41 PM
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4. Why do you hate America?
;) Get it? The US military does not target anything or anybody that shouldn't be targeted. Ever. (And if anyone gets in the way, they're collateral damage.)
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:42 PM
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5. We don't know what he said
his remarks were both off the record and unrecorded.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:09 PM
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11. I concur.
Much ado about nothing. Without a verbatim transcript, it's all speculation.

Maybe they've been waiting for an opportunity to get rid of him, and twisted his words. I'm not saying it isn't true that journalists are targeted; I'm just not convinced he actually said that. He's a professional media person. Seems like he would know better than to utter such an inflammatory remark.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:14 PM
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13. Unfortunately he's become a "trophy" in the blog war
Resignation at CNN Shows the Growing Influence of Blogs
By KATHERINE Q. SEELYE

With the resignation Friday of a top news executive from CNN, bloggers have laid claim to a prominent media career for the second time in five months.

In September, conservative bloggers exposed flaws in a report by Dan Rather; he subsequently announced that on March 9 he would step down as anchor of the "CBS Evening News." On Friday, after nearly two weeks of intensifying pressure on the Internet, Eason Jordan, the chief news executive at CNN, abruptly resigned after being besieged by the online community. Morever, last week liberal bloggers forced a sketchily credentialed White House reporter to quit his post...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/technology/14cnn.html?ei=5094&en=91db97952b50e924&hp=&ex=1108443600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:18 PM
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14. Note how "blogger" and has become synonymous with "conservative"
Note also that the media can't seem to see beyond the trophy to the actual stories.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:30 PM
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16. all duly noted
and Gannon gets a brief (unnamed) mention at the opening of the article.
It's an uphill fight up a sheet of ice as they throw boulders down at us.

BTW - Can someone recommend this? Thank you! :hi:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:13 PM
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12. Not unrecorded....
Apprently there was a video and its release has been refused.

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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:44 PM
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8.  I still wonder about David Bloom from NBC
He was young and seemed in good health. I think he was supposed to have died of lung problems but it still seems suspicious to me.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:02 PM
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10. What killed him was a pulmonary embolism...which can be caused by...

...a gunshot wound. Pulmonary embolisms can be caused by gunshot wounds.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:43 PM
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7. Oh, they found the "handle" all right!
(copy to browser for naked Gannon picture from M4M site)

americablog.blogspot.com/bdnud.jpg
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:44 PM
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9. If you all want to start exposing these punks.
When you read the news ask why is this fit to print?

Does it suggest any common attitudes?

Does it pit one side against the other?

Does it ever suggest the legitamacy of people?

More then likely it is propaganda... Before you call me full of crap look at how these people communicate and ask your self why?

We win when we show how easy people can be manipulated...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:29 PM
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17. kick
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