Subpoena List For Plame Grand Jury

[Me.]

Note the last name on the list:

Subpoena list

A federal grand jury has subpoenaed White House records on administration contacts with more than two dozen journalists and news media outlets in a special investigation into the improper leak of a covert CIA official's identity to columnist Robert Novak last July. They include:

Robert Novak, "Crossfire," "Capital Gang" and the Chicago Sun-Times

Knut Royce and Timothy M. Phelps, Newsday

Walter Pincus, Richard Leiby, Mike Allen, Dana Priest and Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post

Matthew Cooper, John Dickerson, Massimo Calabresi, Michael Duffy and James Carney, Time magazine

Evan Thomas, Newsweek

Andrea Mitchell, "Meet the Press," NBC

Chris Matthews, "Hardball,"

MSNBC

Tim Russert, Campbell Brown, NBC

Nicholas D. Kristof, David E. Sanger and Judith Miller, The New York Times

Greg Hitt and Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

John Solomon, The Associated Press

Jeff Gannon, Talon News

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0306-02.htm

edited for sp.

[medeak]

1. last March

damn we've been asleep at the wheel.

[lala_rawraw]

30. Wait, these people were talked to

LAST MARCH? Are you kidding me? Um, what are doing playing telephone? Good god or let's not stop the coup and wait until after the crowning moment. Blast... why is Novak still walking around freely? This is why I will never watch CNN again and have not for some time. They let this guy sit and spew talking points, knowing that he violated the most basic of ethical standards: first do no harm.

[H2O Man]

40. No.

The article does not say that these people were talked to. It says that White House records of communications between administration officials and these people were subpoenaed. It does not say they were talked to.

[lala_rawraw]

67. Well the Coup House

will not release anything on this. wtf????

[wryter2000]

2. Calebrisi

I wonder if he's any relation to Guido Calebrisi, the former dean of the Yale law school.

[Alpharetta]

3. You can subpoena an alias?

I did not know that.

[Me.]

4. Good Catch On That

Maybe it was an aka thing. Don't know if a "professional" name, rather than a "legal" name can be susubpoened.

[Oldpals]

5. Novak on list

Did we know this?

[asjr]

7. Since Gannon uses both names I would think it would work.

[MadisonProgressive]

17. I think you have to use their real name or it's not binding

and that's a personal opinion and possibly completely wrong.

[H2O Man]

26. This is a news report.

Most likely the actual subpoena was different than the news report.

[merh]

9. I have been saying all along that if Jeff Gannon was interviewed

by and/or testified before the grand jury and gave his legal name as Jeff Gannon and not Jim Gurkett, then he probably committed perjury and is guilty of lying to the FBI. Think about it. Martha is doing 5 months in camp cupcake for lying to the FBI. :think:

[H2O Man]

29. I agree.

I said previously that there are likely those on the "good side" who were aware of "Gannon." He had to have existed before 2001. I think that we are beginning to understand that he was working somewhere!

As Malcolm X used to say, "There are hunters in the jungle, and there are those who hunt the hunters." I would bet Gannon has been tracked for some time.

[KharmaTrain]

63. "Gannon" Is The Key That Opens The Door

to a vast, well organized and financed propoaganda operation run by various GOOP operatives and uses "mules" like "Gannon" to do their dirty work. He trace "Gannon's" money and contacts and I think we're gonna trap a lot of rats.

A couple names that need to be really looked...the Eberles and Morton Blackwell...I think we'll find a lot of interesting things tracing these men's tracks.

Gannon's a good entry, now it's up to us to crack this media scandal wide open.

[hootinholler]

66. These are not people who have been subpoena-ed

It is the corespondence. Nice way to avoid divulging messages to James Guckert, eh?

-Hoot

[jdj]

6. Gannon might end up being the sacrificial lamb for this one.

[MadisonProgressive]

19. The guy really did screw the pooch this time

[Eloriel]

65. And THAT, IMO, is precisely his value

Now, I don't know why, or even how, but think about it. The White House and everyone in it had ample resources to know all about Gannon. We HAVE to assume they knew as much as they wanted to about him -- nothing else is logically consistent. No, they're simply NOT that incompetent. They knew what they wanted to about him.

Now it becomes "why" -- who put him there, why, and what purpose does it serve to have someone so incredibly and totally vulnerable to the kind of savaging that's going on right now? I think this one WITH HIS QUESTIONABLE BACKGROUND was put there for a reason. He's a "throwaway," someone to be thrown overboard and left to the wolves -- all in the service of a higher goal of some sort. Maybe we've already seen that goal (propaganda via Talon), maybe there's more to it than that. I don't know. I just know that there's no ERROR or accident that this Guckert/Gannon character with his shocking past was admitted to the White House. None whatsoever.

[Spazito]

8. Good find! Thanks!

I think, at one point, 'Jeff' was saying he had not been subpoenaed or that he had not testified before the grand jury. This certainly proves he was subpoenaed and will have to testify or try 'protection of sources' line.

[Me.]

11. Yes, I Heard That Yes And No Business of His

yes he was, no he didn't, just shows what a liar he is. I wonder if he started saying no because he was doing damage control?

[fob]

12. There was a post on DU the other day that quoted jimjeff as saying

he HAD been interviewed at his house, as if it was no big deal.

[H2O Man]

10. Please read closer !!!

This article says the grand jury subporna list include all the White House contact lists for those journalists. That means they are going after the lists of contacts made by the WH to those individuals.

It does not mean those people were the subject of the subpoena.

The difference is significant.

[Me.]

13. Spell It Out Please H.

Are you saying they are being questioned about who gave them the info, those who might actually be the "subject of subpoenas?

[H2O Man]

16. Every administration official

has a "log" of their daily schedule. This includes each and every telephone call and/or e-mail they make or take. Those records were the subject of the subpoena. Let's say, for example, that Karl Rove was of interest. (Of course, we know he was.) The GJ has a subpoena that is very specific: it asks for records pertaining to each and every one of the journalists in question.

The subpoena does not mean that each of the journalists was called. Or perhaps better to say, not yet.

[American Tragedy]

64. What stops these officials from self-servingly changing those records?

[H2O Man]

14. What may be interesting

will be if the WH provided the contact lists for "Gannon," but not his "real" name or any others he may be known by. That would seem likely to result in an obstruction of justice charge.

[Me.]

21. Obstruction Would Be A Good

first domino.

[H2O Man]

23. In Watergate

it was the last domino. It is huge: it is considered evidence of consciousness of guilt on the other charges.

[Spazito]

15. Thanks for pointing that out, I missed that...

and that is a very significant difference. Given the new information discovered about 'Jeff', I wonder if that will initiate a greater interest, by Fitzgerald, than would have been their on this initial subpoena on contacts.

[H2O Man]

22. I would guess

that the new information on Jeff is only new to the general public. I would wager that others were very much aware of his identity and role before. I expect that we will learn that this fellow is an employee of the one of the relatively new intel groups run by the administration.

"Gannon" and the sexual nonsense that has caught the attention of so many DUers is an invention. On another thread, I've quoted James Angleton, the former Chief of CI Counterintelligence: "In the field of intelligence, a legend is an operational plan for a cover, or a cover itself, depending on the mission." The sex business was put in place to distract people should "Gannon" be discovered. If you look closely at the reaction on a "progressive" forum like DU, you can see how well it works. Add a bit of bizarre sex, and the case is as popular on DU as Michael Jackson's on MSNBC. People are missing the significance of the story.

[Spazito]

27. Among the 'detritis' regarding the sexual aspects of this...

I see posts focusing on the security and access question which are pivotal, imo. I suspect there is ongoing investigative research being done on this issue while others may focus on the diversion.

Edited to correct typing error

[izzybeans]

31. excellent point

this Gannnon is gay thing has given the freepers ammo as well. Check out the latest DUmmmie funnies. If you haven't seen this you should. This guy cherrypicks everything that goes on here making amateur attempts at satire and childish stabs at irony. I've found some of my posts on there. He interjects his gibberish in brackets between decontextualized quotes. It's actually quite funny but not the way this person thinks it is. But freepers eat it up as part of their "wonderful world" thesis. All is well as long as we are doing it. Google dummie funnies: you can link to it through the freepfest, he is the freepfest extraordinaire.

My point: not only does this sort of cover story send political opponents clamouring about on trivial issues (such as what has been happening on DU) it provides their side with the necessary ammo to legitimate them at the same time. The sex issue is always a wedge issue and it gives the right reason to say "see you suck too, hypocrites." It feels like wonderful red meat to use against them, but its not, its been injected with Rove's demon seed.

[H2O Man]

35. Very good post .

Very well thought-out, and extremely well-stated.

The Gannon "legend" has two major distractions. The first is the gay sex business. We are rapidly approaching a point where the republicans will say, "You are attacking this poor man for his sexuality!" Then both sides can point fingers, scream, "hypocrites!" and the middle of the road citizen will conclude the entire episode has to do with sex.

The second distraction is the Gannon legend in and of itself. The important thing is who he really is, starting with where he was from 1995-2000. My bet is that after serving in the military, he has lived a "hard to pin down" life.

[izzybeans]

38. He looks suspiciously like every Navy Seal I've ever met.

This group and those like them in other branches have the "discipline" required to take such an "embarassing" fall for their commanders. I think you are on the right track.

[H2O Man]

39. This is exactly

what I think. I have never thought the sex business was anything but a cover. I believe that he is a very capable fellow who did the job he was supposed to. I believe he is "falling on his sword." Probably a poor choice of words to describe the situation.

[golden voyages]

41. Interesting theory, but I disagree

...simply because of his personal site at http://members.aol.com/jdg17/ where he links to his college fraternity which lists his real name.

It seems as though the guy is a boy-toy to the core and that this aspect of his lifestyle is not a fabrication.

[H2O Man]

42. Being in a

fraternity means what?

[golden voyages]

45. Nothing at all. My point is that if he was working in some sort of

special ops or undercover mission for Rove (or whomever) and was not really a male escort, why would he post this sort of pic of himself with his real name and real life affiliations.

The specific point I was questioning was the assertion that the sex business was just a cover. You and Izzybeans raised an interesting theory nonetheless. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

[H2O Man]

48. The reason why

is because they would want to distract people's attention from what role he really played. Let's use Lee Harvey Oddball as an example: he had a cover that included information that included an alias and with his real name. A legend does not mean that you are restricted to using a fake name ..... it is a false biography.

[golden voyages]

54. Anything is possible but I think (or at least pray) that this one

backfires on them.

If they really wanted to inflame their conservative base, it seems as though they would use the male escort concept to entrap their political opponents instead of getting in bed with this guy - so to speak.

I agree though that the sex aspect is a decoy either way. The key thing is whether they used him to out Plame and thereby commit treason in a time of war. I believe the Constitution still mandates (gotta love that word) that the punishment for this sort of crime is death by hanging.

Not that this would ever come to pass - but still.

(BTW, loved your Nixon history refresher from a few days ago. Very enlightening)

[H2O Man]

56. Yet it serves

the most ugly of purposes. The right can point fingers at the left and say, "Oh ye hypocrites! Who among ye shall cast the first stone?"

They may have also anticipated a different reaction from the left.

And they have actually discredited Mr. Gannon for if he does ever testify in any court case. Most jurors will look upon the old boy with more than a bit of skepticism.

[On Par]

18. Could PlameGate, be the end of the * Administration?

Is this the one that brings them down? Does Gannon break down and spill more beans than he should? Instead of follow the money, we play "follow the prostitute?"

Ain't it quaint. Just when we need a Special Prosecutor, we don't have those any more! Wouldn't that be grand. Bush being taken down by a homosexual.

OP

[H2O Man]

24. Fitzgerald's case

will lead to criminal charges and very likely a congressional investigation.

[farmbo]

25. LOL...he's just another GOP Lackey. No charges against any GOP pals.

Face it...if Fitzgerald had one honest bone in his body, this investigation would have been wound up--with indictments handed down-- by June 30 2004.

He was hired to drag this out until after the election then sweep it under the rug...and he's done his lapdog-duty well.

Hell, three or four internet bloggers have done far more than Fitzgerald in helping to bring these traitors to justice.

Welcome to One Party Rule.

[H2O Man]

28. He's not a republican.

Never has been.

The case has been held up by two witnesses' appeals of the court ruling that they would face legal consequences if they did not testify as required by law in front of the grand jury.


"Hell, three or four internet bloggers have done far more than Fitzgerald in helping to bring these traitors to justice." Can you name them; give us the specifics of their accomplishments in bringing these traitors to justice; or give a specific complaint about what Fitzgerald has done with the grand jury? Things like "but it's taking too long" don't count.

[seventythree]

33. Fitzgerald isn't a republican, and never has been?

curious as to why you say this --Sen. Peter Fitzgerald recommended a democrat?

[H2O Man]

34. Why I say that:

Because I know he is not, and has never been, a republican. Nor is he now, or in the past, been a democrat. He does not subscribe to party politics. His record as a prosecutor is equally impressive in his willingness to prosecute people from any political background.

I'm not sure what context your statement "Sen. Peter Fitzgerald recommended a democrat?" is intended in. The Plame case is being led by Patrick Fitzgerald. No senator played any role in his being involved in the case.

On another recent thread, I had given a link to an interesting article on Fitzgerald; I'll try to find it again. I am curious what you meant by the statement about the Sen. Peter F ?

[ProfessorGAC]

43. He Is Intensely Honest, and As Pure As They Come

Fitz is a world-class prosecutor and owes nobody anything for his post, other than the folks that work WITH him and not those he works for. His reputation precedes the Bush administration and it's well deserved.

Agree, waterman?
The Professor

[H2O Man]

49. 100%

It is the same as saying Frank Serpico was an honest cop and hero before the Knapp Commission. The KC did not create Frank.

[seventythree]

69. Patrick Fitzgerald is OUR US Attorney

He is the US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois -- Chicago. He was recommended by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (no relation --and his call) our, then, republican senator (the one Obama replaced in an open seat because Peter chose not to run again.) Although I disagreed with Peter on some very basic issues, like choice, he was a decent sort who really appeared to be opposed to corruption. He took some flak about bringing in Patrick because of the Gov. George Ryan scandal going hot (some think it was his political demise, but I think it was more complicated -- Illinois threads discussing this). Patrick was chosen by Ashcroft to head the investigation, I believe, because in this very blue state he has the respect of democrats. We have been watching closely, wondering if our bipartisan glee over his being our US Attorney is going to be justified.

[farmbo]

59. And neither of those witnesses (J Miller or the WP guy) should ...

...have been subpoenaed in the first place. Fitzgerald had a prima facie case against Novak and his White House sources.

He knew full well that if he brought Judith Miller of the NYT into it on specious grounds, the whole thing would get dragged in to the Court of Appeals..and get the Administration through the election.

That is why he subpoenaed Miller. And it fulfilled his objective.

[H2O Man]

60. I disagree

Each time the White House officials revealed Plame's identity to a reporter, it is a "count" in a criminal indictment. If they called six journalists, that's six counts. The fact that Novak alone ran with the story is not what matters in deciding the charges.

[farmbo]

61. Hey H20...it looks like we'll find out soon enough (C.A. Ruling today)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25744-2005Feb15.html

[H2O Man]

62. A step in the

right direction.

[seventythree]

70. interesting perspective

[paineinthearse]

20. Source is Newsday

But the article is not available for regular viewing (gone to archive). Makes sense since the article has byline:

Published on Saturday, March 6, 2004 by the Long Island, NY Newsday

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usleak063697857mar06,0,6675735,print.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

"The page you requested was not found.
You may have found an outdated link or typed in a non-existing web address. Try again, or review this list of main Newsday.com web areas to find your way.

"Articles from the daily newspaper remain online for two weeks. After that, articles can be found in Newsday's paid archives at http://library.newsday.com."

[janx]

32. A post by "Gannon" about this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?more=17829457;name=jeff%20gannon

The Guidelines We Use to Report the News (Washington Post Says 'Trust Us--Not the Internet')
Posted by Jeff Gannon to kristinn
On News/Activism 03/07/2004 7:49:32 AM MST · 24 of 34

Well, as many of you now know, I have been subpeonaed by the Federal grand jury for testimony in the CIA leak probe.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092073/posts

Somehow, Talon News (an internet based news service) is credible enough to be interrogated.

Five Washington Post reporters have also been called, along with Andrea Mitchell and Tim Russert and others.

[paineinthearse]

47. Somehow, Talon News is credible enough to be interrogated.

Let's analyize this.

Does Guckert mean

A. This confirms Talon's legitimancy or
B. His stupidity in thinking he is is being subpoenaed for being a blogger, not his actions in the memo leak itself?

[H2O Man]

36. Two interesting articles:

Hopefully, I will get the links correctly. If not, one of you younger and far more capable DUers will have to lend a hand to a old man.


The first on is from Collective Bellaciao, France, on "Gannongate." It is a report on how "Slaughter Spearheads Investigation Into Phony White House 'Journalist'." See:

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5306

I found this at google news for Plame.

[H2O Man]

37. "Media Matters"

has an article on "Gannon won't give clear clear answers on whether he's seen classified documents." See:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502140009

[kohodog]

44. Well now, maybe we're getting closer to coverage in MSM

The story seems to be growing legs, and it's good to see coverage that doesn't focus on his personal preferences.

He said (at least a poster named "Jeff Gannon" said), in a Free Republic post that he had seen the document. Is he now saying thaty he was lying about it?

[H2O Man]

50. My theory:

The document he "saw" was as bogus as the yellow cake documents.

[troubleinwinter]

55. I bet you're right on that, and he will likely produce an

obviously forged document, which will send investigation on all manner of goose chases.

I doubt the purpose of outing Plame was mere vengeance against Wilson. I think they wanted to get rid of Plame BECAUSE she was an expert on Iraqi weapons.

If Guckert is an operative, what is his purpose? Just Plame or something else?

[H2O Man]

57. From Wilson's book (pg 452)

we know that on 3-8-2003, there was a meeting in VP Cheney's office; the goal was to produce a "workup" on Wilson to discredit him should he expose the White House lies. I think it is worth considering the possibility that Gannon has been a part of that effort since the spring of 2003.

[seventythree]

71. wow good find

[Me.]

46. You're Absolutely Right About All This

This administration's MO has been all about misdirecting the eye. They have done it with every matter of importance, 9/11. Iraq, *ush's National Guard Service (Rathergate) etc. One has to wonder what they don't want us to see and are hence forcing SS and Gannon as a prostitute to the fore. Keep singing your song Waterman!

BTW: Links worked just fine.

[H2O Man]

51. When Watergate knocked

on history's door, Nixon tried to fool the FBI by saying it involved "national security" and CI programs. The FBI asked for confirmation of this. The president tried to get the CIA to cover the lie. They refused.

Expect to hear much more from the administration about, "gosh, we'd like to cooperate, but this involves national security."

In fact, it does. It is a matter of national security that we get to the bottom of this.

We're on our way!

[Roland99]

52. But Scotty said he used Gannon's real name...

oh wait, Scotty admitted to his lie just yesterday.


They are digging themselves so deep into that volcano of lies!

[BurtWorm]

53. When is this from ?

Gannon claims he wasn't on the list.

[Me.]

58. The Article Is Dated

March 6, 2004

[Walt Starr]

68. Talon "reporter" named "Jim Hauser" reported Gannon on a list

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093819/posts