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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:45 PM
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Tonite Chris Matthews asks, "Is George Bush a Conservative?"
Slightly probing.
Slightly intelligent?

Pat Buchannan provided some insights.
He's not a "Reagan Conservative".

Well...actually he has gone out of his way to be a "Reagan Conservative" in terms of championing tax breaks for the most wealthy Americans. Isn't that one of the most fundamental "principles" of conservativism...that trickling down effect?

Wake up America...do we really have any historical appreciation for what happened with Reagan and this "conservative movement". Isn't that what it was all about...rigging the game so more money moves to the top?

Let's be clear. There is no coherent rationale for conservativism. Conservativism is simple anti-government and anti-PEOPLE.
Deflect your attention this way and that way....and then come up with a slick way to tax the rich that much less.

I'll give you a definition of THE NEW CONSERVATIVISM....

THE SELECTIVE DISMANTLING OF THE PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM, WHICH TAKES WEALTH AND "OWNERSHIP" OUT OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND TRANSFERS THAT POWER TO AN UPPER CLASS...an elite class which can then define the minimum "ownership" rights for the rest of the people.

HELLO AMERICA...
There is NO historical evidence that piling MORE AND MORE money to the top of the heap DOES ANYTHING FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY.

No....quite the contrary.... lost jobs, lost infrastructure, the gloating of pure profits to the point of insanity....and meanwhile our country is going down the toilet.

America, we're not at a time in history to dispute ideologies. The conservative ideology is NO ideology.

It is cheap salesmanship.
It is a RIP OFF.

It is a well orchestrated movement of snake oil salesman selling the American public a pile of shit.



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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:48 PM
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1. George Bush is an opportunistic self serving neoconservative shoppaholic
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:52 PM
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2. Thinking about it, he may not be conservative at all...
Conservative people are tight with their numbers and don't make any rash moves without the proper data.

But if he were the opposite of conservative, which insane people like Anne Coulter call "Liberal" then he actually not be liberal either.

I would put him in a different political catagory called "Megalomaniacle Douch-bag".
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:08 PM
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7. I'm kind of reading what you wrote as...
The "old school" conservative would have been much more purposeful and logical in their actions...and I would agree with that.

Now we're at a point where the flood gates have been opened.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:53 PM
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3. Is Chris Matthews human?
Or is he a Tweety Alien?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:54 PM
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4. Thanks for your thoughts. You're
describing what's happening in this country. I wish someone had a sure-fired way to wake up the people; doesn't seem so achieveable without the help of the media. BTW, I wonder when THEY will wake up?
I sure don't relish the prospect of serfdom.
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Zeke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:55 PM
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5. Loaded Question
When the show starts, Tweety & panel will all
say, OF COURSE BUSH IS A CONSERVATIVE and then
rattle on about how conservative Bush is, blah, blah...
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ghost_of_thoreau Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:04 PM
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6. matthews just called * a philosopher!!! WTF
on the Hardball outtro, matthews said that * truly believes in the "Ownership Society" and he thinks * is a philosopher


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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:12 PM
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8. There will never be any redemption for Chris Matthews.
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:14 PM
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10. Matthews is a self serving Freak
And so is the man he speaks of GWB
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:13 PM
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9. WOW that is scary and welcome to DU...
Be very careful to note the irony of this.

The "ownership" that W and co. are carefully slicking into the brains of anti-abortionists, don't take my gun away fanatics, and everyone else that's not paying attention.....

Means this....

YOU will actually OWN less and less (it's a historical fact)

You can get the same pitch at you local AMWAY get together (BTW..are they still in business?)
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:17 PM
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11. Chris Matthews must have recieved one of those kisses...
You know, one of GWB's spell-binding kisses of enchantment like Lieberman got, put him under the spell.

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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:21 PM
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14. He has consistently referenced Limbaugh on recent programs....
It has increased in frequency. I've also posted separately that he used the words, "Rush is a friend of mine".

He is fried. The freeper media loves using the dope, because he's in a perfect "zone" to create misinformation and confusion.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:20 PM
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13. Welcome ghost_of_thoreau !
:hi:
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:24 PM
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15. Yes, I wonder if he's read "On Walden Pond"...
or if he is taking this all in in "homeopathic doses".
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:26 PM
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22. Ownership Society - means a privileged few own the rest of us.
Good God! Ayn Rand, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley... they weren't warning us about Communism.. THIS is what they were warning us about!
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 08:19 PM
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12. GWB is a RADICAL
This is a radical administration, nothing conservative about it other than tax-cuts. Everything else is spend, spend, spend, tear down, destroy and ruin.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:56 PM
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16. Chris Matthews only helps Republicans. By disassociating
Bush from conservatives, he's helping Republican senators in 2006, just in case there will be a voter backlash against Republicans because of Bush fatigue.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:59 PM
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17. Tonite Chris Matthews asks, "am i a total idiot?"
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:59 PM
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18. bush and his clan are more properly classified as "reactionaries"
They are way to the right of even the far right. It's just that the far right doesn't recognize it yet, they're so bedazzled with the wee cowboy.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:04 PM
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19. *uck Tweety!
He's a whore and not even a pretty one. Since i gave up on any type of T.V. and MSM, i have felt so much better. My Bp is down 20 points :D
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:11 PM
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20. He's a religious fundamentalist who believes God put him in the WH.
That alone should have red flags going up all over the place.

He's a lunatic.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:15 PM
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21. Oh piffle. "Conservative" has as much meaning as "mimsy" in this context
It's absolutely worthless to discuss whether Bush is "Conservative" by some paleolithic standard. "Conservative" and "Liberal" and everything in between are not some absolute points on a fixed spectrum; every generation redefines them to converge at some level of common acceptance, sometimes more than once, and right now Bush is busy rewriting the definitions to fit his own ends.

In the process of apotheosizing G.W.Bush, the Republicans have hitched their cart to the Bush Dynasty and their fortunes will rise and fall with Bush's until the entire party leadership repudiates the fucked-up nazi-wannabe "vision". That Chris Matthews is incapable of presenting this only confirms my low estimation of his sorry ethic.

The more useful question Mr. Tweetybird could be asking is, "Am I, or have I ever been, a journalist?" He should do a show on that sometime. Bring on Pat Buchanan and Noam Chomsky and Cokie Roberts and Eric Alterman and resolve that question. Oops -- I forgot, we're not allowed to see Noam Chomsky on television.

Twas brillig and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gymble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves
And the mome raths outgrabe.
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