Now it is beware of the "Chickendoves"

[Nile]

The Problem of Chickendoves

By Douglas Kern Published 02/15/2005

Any yammering propeller-headed nitwit can tell the world to make love, not war, and no one can impeach his sincerity in making that plaintive demand. By contrast, anyone who supports the war had better be a card-carrying military veteran, or else be condemned as a "chickenhawk" -- no matter how wise, eloquent, or inspiring their pro-war position might be.

The problem isn't chickenhawks -- people who support the war but never served in the military, and probably never will.

The problem is stateside armchair philosophers who oppose military action and military policy, even though they never served in the military. The problem is anti-war punditry from intellectuals who think that an IED is a contraceptive and couldn't tell the difference between bounding overwatch and watching Baywatch. The problem is intellectuals who think their education and politically-correct ideology lets them know what the military needs -- better than the military knows it.

The problem is chickendoves.

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[Swamp Rat]

1. Sieg heil!

Goddamn hippie librul commie thinkers!...:eyes:

[BikeWriter]

4. He got you riled, Swamp Rat? Hee hee hee! Me, too!

[Swamp Rat]

8. Yeah, this guy assumes WAY too much.

All the 'liberals' I know, including dem book-lernin' commie university types, know how to "lock and load."

This stupid analogy/comparison just DOES NOT WORK!... dumbass. :eyes:

Anyway, I don't get mad - I get even. HAHA! :D

[nolabels]

6. Don't ya love a good a good thread (like this one COULD be)...........

That just get us Goddamn hippie librul commie thinkers all riled up. I have many relatives that served, I myself served and my two nephews either served or are now serving. Tell me about a damn Armchair quarter back already. An AWoL and a Draft Dodger running the whole country into the ground trying to start a war where ever the hell they can find one.

Don't look to make me angry, I was that way a long time ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_in_the_Family

[Swamp Rat]

9. You said it bro! n/t

[dave123williams]

25. Get off the LAWN, you pesky liberals! GRRRR.

[BikeWriter]

2. That stupid son of a bitch assumes entirely too damn much about....

...peace advocates. I'd like to kick his fat ass up between his ears.

[ClayZ]

13. LOL, Me too, I chalenge him to a duel with my peace flag,

He can use his pitchfork.

[BikeWriter]

32. He's never seen doves open a can of whoop ass before! :-)

[ClayZ]

37. Yea, huh! Power to the People

Nor has he felt the passion of 3000 people shouting in unison, over and over, "g0rg@ bu$h, f*ck you, and your WHOLE agenda too.. as we marched through the city.

[ElectroPrincess]

3. Nice try Doug, but I don't think the term will stick :P

Too funny! Just like ole' Ari and FOX news tried to FORCE the term "homicide" instead of "suicide" bombers, the term "chickendove" just doesn't come across with the same credibility. But DAMN! There's no shame in the outright hatred of intellectuals:

"The problem is intellectuals who think their education and politically-correct ideology lets them know what the military needs -- better than the military knows it."

We're dealing with some sick bastards. Realize also that many GOP right wingers ONLY listen to Rush or FOX. They live on their propaganda.

[EFerrari]

5. Obviously this guy hasn't heard the Pentagon can't find its own foot

count shoelaces, or make change for a quarter.

I love being called an "intellectual". It's so much better than commiepinkoswinedork.

[rpannier]

7. As a card-carrying military veteran

I can honestly say the author is full of crap and this war sucks.

[Bark Bark Bark]

10. Two big, deliberate lies in the quoted portion ALONE

#1: "By contrast, anyone who supports the war had better be a card-carrying military veteran, or else be condemned as a "chickenhawk" -- no matter how wise, eloquent, or inspiring their pro-war position might be."

#2: "The problem is stateside armchair philosophers who oppose military action and military policy, even though they never served in the military."

This is, of course, horseshit.

Many--individuals and countries alike--who have supported US military action in the past (in Bosnia and Afghanistan, for example) have refused to get in line behind the "pre-emptive" carpet-bombing and subjugation of Iraq.

Further, the most strident opponents of the Iraq slaughter HAVE military experience. The most strident supporters of the war are the ones with no military experience (or phony crap like "Daddy got me into TANG")--including its architects. We're seeing how well THAT works in Real Life...

[Inland]

28. Good point. Nobody in the military was pushing this war, it was

all chickenhawk all the time.

[Dogmudgeon]

11. It's a non-starter

The word "Chickendove" immediately calls to mind the word "Chickenhawk". This is a one-trick pony, er, pundit.

--p!

[Bark Bark Bark]

15. Upon reading the full article

He tries to pull out and say "chickenhawk" AND "chickendove" are terms that should not be used, because people can make military decisions without military experience.

His conclusions drawn from past examples, however, are barking mad. He suggests that the bombing of Marine barracks in Lebanon and the USS Cole were triggered by the US "not appearing resolute"...

...which of course translates as: "we have to back Dear Leader 100% or the terrorists win!!"

Those events occured for the same reason the terrorists are having a field day in Iraq, and the same reason the Twin Towers fell: our constant meddling in foreign governments pisses off people who want to determine their own future.

It isn't "chickendoves" who have gotten thousands of US soldiers killed and wounded in Iraq, not to mention thousands more casualties among Iraq civilians. You might want to drop the author a line (the article has an e-mail link) and point this SOF (Stunningly Obvious Fact) to him.

[KG]

12. oh, another cheerleader for mass murder. how cute!

he just got added to my list.

[ComerPerro]

14. Sorry, but anyone who says that this war is defending our freedoms

and actively supports it, but still doesn't enlist is a coward. A spineless coward.

Either that, or they don't give a shit about defending America.

If our very freedoms were at stake, why aren't these bastards out there protecting our freedoms?

What else would you call someone who refuses to fight for a cause in which he professes to believe?

[charlie]

16. 82nd Couchborne is feeling vulnerable

"...and no one can impeach his sincerity in making that plaintive demand"

Hoho, but you can impugn his dedication to the US. Un-American, anyone? That's his ilk's opening gambit in any argument over the war.

"...couldn't tell the difference between bounding overwatch..."

Oooh impressive, he's hip to the lingo. But, of course he is, he plays with action figures.

[KG]

18. what is this guy, 14 years old?

or maybe just grown-up adolescent

[geniph]

35. Oh my gawd, can I STEAL that phrase?

"82nd Couchborne" - I LOVE that!!!

LOL!

[LeftyMom]

38. Wouldn't Chairbourne sound a bit better?

LeftyDad's idea, but I like it. :)

[ClayZ]

17. May the dove of peace drop dove poop on his head.

"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
Albert Einstein,

[The Minus World]

19. Five words into it,

one can tell they're reading a right-wing opinion piece. These people certainly do have a way with perjoratives, don't they?

What was it that my parents used to tell me about those who resort to cussing and ad hominem attacks? Oh yeah, that they lack the articulation and insight to form a real opinion.

What this stammering turbine-headed dimwit fails to recognize is that peace and stability are values worth fighting for, whereas war is not.

[LiberalVoice]

20. I think he's right...

I shouldn't be able to comment on the Iraqi war because i've never slaughtered Iraqi men women and children... :eyes:

[screembloodymurder]

21. Any yammering propeller-headed nitwit can tell the world to

make peace. Like Jesus?

[TWiley]

23. One flaw

He likely goes to church, and wears a big cross around his neck.

[TWiley]

22. That is the most retarded argument ever.

<<The problem is stateside armchair philosophers who oppose military action and military policy, even though they never served in the military. The problem is anti-war punditry from intellectuals who think that an IED is a contraceptive>>

Ok, let me try his reasoning on for size.

A Jury cannot convict me of Murder unless every juror is a murderer.

You cannot comment on the beating of my wife unless you love to beat your wife.

You cannot arrest me for rape if you have never raped.

How will I ever receive an honest critique of my technique? I will never improve my skills as a murderous rapist if non-participants are allowed to speak and comment on my method.

Why not throw the world to the dogs, and shoot all dissenters?

[dave123williams]

24. Maybe the military doesn't need to be fighting a bullshit war?

[ck4829]

26. Dissent is evil! Round up everybody who disagrees with Bush!

The problem is people who think this world is one giant chess board and that our soldiers are just pawns. Hence, the problem IS the Chickenhawks.

[Ganja Ninja]

27. I'm just guessing here but I think Doug might be a chickenhawk.

It's too bad he hasn't had the opportunity to put his ass in the line of fire. If he had then he might be one of the very few vocal supporters of this war who has actually worn a uniform.

[pnorman]

29. "intellectuals who think that an IED is a contraceptive"

Archie Bunker is an intellectual??? The problem is far more widespread than we can possibly imagine. (NICE TRY, heh heh)

pnorman

[matcom]

30. Well, Mr. Kern... What Does That Make THIS VET ASSHOLE!!!!

i'm a Dove who DID SERVER you fuckwad!

bring.it.on.

fucker

[Goathead]

31. I knew about IEDs long before the current conflict

Read about them in the Anarchist Cookbook It is issued to every liberal intellectual as soon as they find out about the "Secret Shadow Government" Mine arrived with a mysterious knock on the door in the middle of the night. Sitting on my front door step in a brown paper bag, looking up I saw a black van screeching down the road and pull into the alley way.

[Mr Blonde]

33. See

The problem with the chickenhawk, that doesn't exist with the "chickendove" is hypocrisy. Chickenhawks are people that in their youth, supported whatever anti-Communist crusade the United States was embarking on, so long as some other youngster was fighting for it. Some went to great lengths to worm their way out of service. And when these very hawks came to power years later, grasped for flimsy justifications and made more war. A "chickendove" never sent anyone off to die for fictitious reasons. They very term "chicken" is insulting, as there are many honorable combat veterans who oppose needless war when they see it. There's nothing chicken about taking a stand for something you believe in.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. "wise, eloquent, or inspiring..pro-war position"

Does he mean, "Bring it on!"? Or, "Mission Accomplished!"? Or, "Smoke 'em out?" Perhaps, "Shooting people is fun."?

[geniph]

36. Gotta watch out for those Chickendoves like Lincoln, dammit!

Damn anti-war non-veteran that he was! How dare he decide what the military needed!

[MattG]

39. Intellectuals are dumb

Sponges are gay (sponges reproduce asexually, they can't be gay or straight)
Clinton's a queer
Democrats suck
Liberals are all rich elitists
Bush is smart
Britney Spears is an artist



anyone see something in all this?

[Renew Deal]

41. President Lincoln? He served and fought in the Black Hawk War.

Look it up.

[geniph]

42. I'll be damned, you're right

8 months of service in the volunteer militia. Never knew that.

http://www.il.ngb.army.mil/museum/citizen_soldier/BlackHawk/captain_abraham_lincoln_.htm

[ken-in-seattle]

40. heavy handed bs Crafted for a particular market.... but

With a core of truth...

Many are anti military in all things even when history has shown it is the political decisions as to what to do with the military that is the problem.

Election example. My home town. What do you think should be redder a county with no military base and few vets or a county which has one of the largest retired and active duty military bases in the world?

Cumberland county, Fayetteville NC is bible belt and home of Ft. Bragg. Special forces and 82nd airborne.

Voted more than 41% for Kerry.

A vet who has been to war, is the last one to make a decision to start one.


If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-- Anatole France

[annabanana]

43. one site answer for this idiot

www.optruth.org

[robertpaulsen]

44. Chickendove? Mr. Kern, can you say oxyMORON?!

How the fuck can you choose to serve in the military if it goes against your conscience? What the fuck is chicken about practicing what you preach?

The stupidity on display in this article is absolutely collosal.