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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:33 AM
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Oh this is driving me INSANE!!
It seems that everyone including Dem's. are trying to "learn a lesson from the last election" and move EVEN MORE toward the right!
its driving me INSANE!!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:35 AM
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1. I wish they would learn a lesson and fight!
But hang in there, stress ain't good for you, you have more important things to worry about.

Here, have a cookie. :hug:
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:38 AM
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2. LOL speaking of ;) i have a doctors appointment this morning :)
hopefully everything is ok with this little one .. we have been having some "issues" with his size :(
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:40 AM
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3. Oh I don't know about that
It seems that a lot of people here are more fired up than before the election, and it doesn't seem to be dying down.
We'll be fine :) Hang in there.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:40 AM
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4. The lesson is how to deliver a message not the msg itself
The Democratic message was much better for America, no argument. And the gop thugs know it. That's why they had to spend so much time demonizing and hating people who are not demons nor give anybody any reason to hate them. The gop msg was accepted by people who think they are patriotic and who think war is good and who don't know a damn thing about the economy, in other words the ignorant amongst us.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:41 AM
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5. I don't know
I see a lot of trends going both ways. Certainly many Democrats are lining up on this Social Security Fight and Reid has been fiesty, taking on the President and his minions. And Howard Dean got elected DNC Chairman. Whatever you think of the guy, he clearly wasn't the "Let's lay down and be more Republican" candidate.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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ICantBelieve Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 08:46 AM
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6. I don't think that's happening...
I think we can appeal to the middle without giving an inch on important issues. We just have to learn to talk about it better. We spend too much time in theoretical discussions. If anyone ever discussed the "theoretical" or "extreme" aspects of GWB's policies, the middle would run away from him. But the Republicans don't do that. We do. We talk about how our extreme is better than their extreme. That's nice if you're a liberal. That's nice if you like to think in that plane. But most people don't. They want to know how the policies are going to work not-in-the-extreme. They don't care about the edges. They don't care about the cases the ACLU fights. They don't care about the principle of the thing.

So, we can continue to have the right answer in the theoretical argument. We can continue supporting the ACLU. BUT, on the stump, we have to stop talking about that.

It's just the framing of the message. It's not the message itself. That was the problem with the DLC. I think they tried to change the message itself rather than just the way they presented it.
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:13 AM
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7. Study what we did CORRECTLY, not what we did wrong
The DU community blows me off when I say this, but Montana holds the key to getting Democrats into power.

The national election went for Bush, but most of the state offices went Democrat.

We can revisit old failures and try to find the mistakes, or we can look at what ACTUALLY worked. I prefer this strategy.

See this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=163x256
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:19 AM
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8. Sadly, maybe the US IS moving right.
The cities, the inner suburbs and college towns....that seems to be just about it these days. The far right conservative wackjobs seem to be sprouting faster than the weeds in my garden (in summer of course). I just don't get it.
Canada is a perfect example of a country that has moved LEFT over the years. Canada seems to becoming what we SHOULD be.
Just a thought.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:20 AM
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9. AMEN SISTA!!!
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