Good Lord!! Hannity says Kerry was NEVER in Vietnam

[CatWoman]

:eyes:

Just when I thought these morans couldn't get any worse:

HANNITY: Well, our good friend Ann Coulter actually did a little bit of investigative reporting and background. . Apparently, this guy -- how many of you know that Churchill meet with Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi? Did y'all know that? I got some new -- she writes in her column today. And then announced to his group, the American Indian movement, he had not requested arms from the Libyan government. I guess we ought to be happy about that. Um, he has been out there talking to people and telling people that he is an American Indian. Apparently that is not true by all accounts. He has referred to himself as a chief in a combat unit in Vietnam. Well, in addition to the absence of evidence about his Indian heritage, there is an absence of evidence, just like John Kerry, that he ever was in combat in Vietnam.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502150010

[Stop_the_War]

1. These people are INSANE....

Since when is Ann Coulter considered an "investigative reporter"? :puke:

[CottonBear]

6. The Ann Coulter who insisted that Canda sent troops to Vietnam?

[zann725]

52. Exactly! I saw that interview with Canadian reporter, where Coulter tells

the Canadians they sent troops to Vietnam War...even though they didn't, and the Canadian reporter tells her REPEATEDLY they never did. She just arrogantly keeps telling him they did, he's wrong.

Problem IS, these people are so use to spinning the Truth, they honestly feel (as true Sociopaths) that they have a RIGHT to "write" Reality.

How dare they now say that Kerry was NEVER in combat! What next? That Gannon is a heterosexual Pulitzer Prize winning journalist? Ha!

[kiki]

147. Or it could be...

...the Ann Coulter who stated in The Guardian that she'd never heard of the 1973 coup in Chile...

[AllegroRondo]

2. Sorry, you lost me after the first sentance

Ann Coulter doing investigative reporting???? Please.

[Placebo]

4. Coulter is an expert on Vietnam...

didn't you see her put those Canadians in their place and tell them they really did sent troops to Vietnam? :eyes:

[Morose]

23. I'm sure she can fill us in on O'Rielly's combat

experience and um...peabody awards...and um...sorry my mind is just boggling.

[tsuki]

54. It is so seldom that she is ever challenged by "journalists" in the

US that she lost it when confronted by a Canadian. 'Like,' flip the the hair, 'YOU'RE questioning ME.' She and Kindasleazy went to the same charm school.

[Placebo]

Everyone knows Kerry never served in Vietnam...

I mean, c'mon, you'd recognize that just as clear as ya would that the sky is blue. :eyes:

[signmike]

22. Kerry is the opposite of Bush...

the Anti Bush

First he was there committing atrocities and now he was never there...
as opposed to Bush, who was never there and is now committing atrocities,
and still is not all there.

[CottonBear]

3. I'm speechless.

:grr: :nuke: :scared:

[Davis_X_Machina]

5. Not in Vietnam...

...just on a boat. Which doesn't count.

They tried this one out on CSPAN late this summer.

[CottonBear]

14. Ahhh! On water but not on land. Right. n/t

[SharonAnn]

67. Actually, he got off the boat and ran inland firing on an attacker.

[polmaven]

138. But..But...

Wasn't that a toddler in diapers just tryin' to go home to mommy?

[LittleClarkie]

150. Oh that was to refute Kerry's claim that he spent 2 tours in Nam

He counts the one where he was in the Gulf of Tonkin. He did disembark once to look around. O'Neill never did think that counted somehow.

But of course he's spent the second tour on the Mekong. That certainly must count.

But that's the distinction. Hey man, considering it was the Tonkin Resolution that got us truly started in Vietnam, one would think that being on a ship in the Gulf of Tonkin could count for something.

Idiot. Ann wasn't even saying that. She was saying Kerry's record is phony, like Ward's. Then Hannity here morphes it into something even worse, that he wasn't even there. Then how did he shoot the kid in the back Hannity?

What an ass. I'm somehow heartened to see the Freepers don't even like him for the most part. There's a meltdown thread in Freepertown right now because Hannity called them a childish fringe site that tends to eat its own. It's up to almost 2400 posts now. Good idea Sean. Insult your base.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344622/posts?q=1&&page=1

[Vektor]

7. HAHAHAHAHA ...Wow.

I have a steaming pile of fecal matter that Hannity and Coulter can investigate for dinner options, if they want to.

[d_b]

8. Dipshits like Hannity don't bother me.

but who the hell is he talking to? That's what frightens me. Who the hell are these people?

[PaDem]

35. 13 million people, and growing by the day.........

and sadly, there are literally millions of Americans who's political views have been completely shaped by Rush, Hannity, Savage, Medved etc. As moronic as these people are they are winning minds every day.

[SOS]

44. Hannity?

If your 13 million number is in reference to H&C , you are mistaken:

Cable News Ratings For Tuesday 9-7-04 -

FNC: Total day: 1,141,000 -- Primetime: 2,735,000 / Hume: 1,677,000 / Shep: 1,783,000 / O'Reilly: 3,325,000 / H&C: 2,880,000 / Greta: 1,998,000

[wabeewoman]

118. All that noise

and they have MAYBE 4 million total listeners assuming the same ones are watching all these shows?

[Telly Savalas]

74. You have a very generous definition of "minds"

[ProfessorGAC]

75. That's 13 Million Cumulative

That's all the people who watch the show and listen to his radio show, multiplied by the 5 days he's on. So, roughly that's about 13 million, divided by 10. It's really about 1.3 million people who are radar locked on him so that they can all share one brain.
The Professor

[ArchTeryx]

81. And that brain would happen to be...

...IT, from A Wrinkle in Time?

The whole neocon/fundamentalist movement is starting to remind me of Camazotz. What's cogntive dissonance when everyone shares one brain, almost literally?

[ProfessorGAC]

86. LOL!

Good catch.
The Professor

[LisaLynne]

82. It's a braintrust.

They have one brain and they have to share it. It explains a lot.

[PaDem]

103. Correct.........

I didn't mean to imply that Hannity has 13 million listeners/viewers daily. Nonetheless one could argue his brand of propaganda has reached 13 million people.

[ktowntennesseedem]

126. Share one brain... reminds me of the Borg!!!

You will be assimilated... Resistance is futile...

[walldude]

149. Lol.. think I'll have to get to work in Photoshop

and see what the ole' Texas gang would look like...

[ktowntennesseedem]

152. Can't wait to see it!

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

114. HOW TRUE!

I work with someone who says he gets all of his "news" from Fox News! The person I work with has a law degree! I find it very frightening that if the "educated" public gets their "news" from the Fox idiots can you just imagine how gullible the "uneducated" public is? No wonder they follow this Moron like blind sheep in a desert! Frightening!

[FizzFuzz]

93. I know of one, anyway...

Late 20's-something evangelical where I work.

teaches bible class to youth.

god told him to vote for bush.

abstinence works.

Planned Parenthood is evil.

He understands it's important to listen to all sides of an issue.

sean hannity is (close eyes, clasp hands, bow reverently <--note from Fizz: I didn't make that up) a journalist I respect very very much.

:eyes:

[PaDem]

117. Interesting........

I'm an Evangelical Christian, late 20s and I teach Bible lessons to youth (no lie) regularly. My uncle and two cousins are Baptist Pastors. God didn't tell any of us to vote for Bush. In fact, all of us were compelled to vote for Kerry because his positions on the whole were more compatable with the teachings of Jesus than Bush's.

For me it's important to listen to both sides, mostly so I know how to frame my positions in a way that is convincing to people on the right.

[FizzFuzz]

139. I'm glad you're one of us!

I'm convinced that fellow Christians are the only ones who will be able to get through to the pseudo-christians. Certainly, not being Christian myself, I don't think I speak the right language--I would probably get reactively tuned out. I wish I could listen in when you're talking to a RWer; I'll bet it's inspiring!

That description of my coworker is from a discussion we had...he really did say that god told him bush was the "right man for the job", he really did say research shows abstinence works, when I suggested he check plannedparenthood.com for facts concerning abstinence programs and results of global gag rule (increased death and disease in infants and pre and post-partum mothers, etc.) he actually closed his eyes, frowned and started shaking his head vigorously....

Well, anyway, obviously the two of you resemble each other in superficialities only. How anyone who claims to be Christian can look at bush and forget Christ's warning, "by their fruits shall you know them"--to me, that indicates Christ trying to teach his followers to use their own minds and perception to discern. To me it seems so easy to see the truth.

[PaDem]

148. It's very true...........

that the people who will reach misguided Christians are in fact Christians representing the real teachings of Christ. Radio/TV preachers and public religious figures have done wonders misinterpreting the Bible or, at the very least cherry picking from it. After twenty plus years of this we have a strong fundamentalist presence in the country and millions are under their influence. What pains me most is that so many folks (I think) reject Christianity not on it's own merits, but because of these clowns who misrepresent it. If true Christianity was pro-war, pro-self interest, pro-rich, anti-environment, anti-racial equality, anti-women etc. then I'd reject it as well.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

123. "Proud Americans" like my neighbors...

She's a farm girl from Wisconsin, driving a massive SUV adorned with the obligatory American flag and yellow ribbon. He's a loudmouth from Texas, driving a massive pickup truck adorned with the obligatory American flag, yellow ribbon, and B/C bumper sticker. They watch Fox religiously and in a matter of months, the guy went from bashing Bush's huge deficit and questioning why were were in Iraq, to actually WRITING on his truck the URL for "Scary Kerry." We're no longer on speaking terms since I gave them an armed forces enlistment form for her 14-year old son to consider. Two of my family members have served in the damn desert, her son can serve too (oh yeah, they're "living in sin").

[pnutchuck]

9. I suppose he enlisted Oliver Stone to superimpose him in his

combat boat and uniform, and the Delta. She needs to take some prozac, or lithium, even her god Bush commended Kerry's service in Vietnam and have never once denied his service. Even the Swift Boat vets acknowledged his service, but denounced him for throwing away his medals. MORONs

[TyeDye75]

10. Fuck Hannity

his army of ass clowns are all ready too far down the rabbit hole for this to make any difference and those of us with brains can see his just a bloated chickenhawk, gas bag, asshat.

[CatBoreal]

11. And Canada sent troups to Viet Nam....

or was it Indochina according to Coulter??? :eyes:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

12. Just another instance

of Republicans rewriting history.

[TNOE]

13. When will Hannity's comment on Jim Jeff come back

to bite him in the ass??? He exudes a fake reporter and praises a fake "investigator". This proves his show is nothing but full of lies and he's one of the biggest liars out there.

[louis-t]

21. Did you mean 'exalts' instead of 'exudes'?

[TNOE]

25. I guess so - ha

but exude does mean to "ooze out" - and we are discussing slime.

[louis-t]

38. Right word-

wrong context! Oops.

[karynnj]

15. Just when you thought they went as slimy as possible

He made up everything and found someone in the Navy to give him medals. Even fooling the Nixon administrtion, and found 2 whole swiftboat crews to say he was their commander. These people really have no shame - first he didn't bleed enough - now he didn't bleed at all!

[ginnyinWI]

33. it makes for a good laugh though.

Oh and you didn't mention the Vietnamese people who still live on that river whom Nightline went to see about the story about Kerry killing the man. They pretty much corroborated Kerry's version of what happened. So they got paid off, too.

LOL Anything, anything at all to be able to find something to put on the air!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

104. HITLER Hannity!!!

[Cocoa]

16. He's confusing Kerry with himself

he, Hannity, is the one that was never in Vietnam.

[graywarrior]

17. Coulter & Hannity

Coldsore & Herpes. They just keep coming back.

[GiovanniC]

60. REAL Cold Sores and Herpes RESENT That Comparison!

[Sequoia]

18. Well smart ass, did y'all know Rumsfield met with Saddam?

You are one stupid redneck. Why don't you and your ugly girlfriend Annetrax just shut up and stop embarrasing the USA.

[Anakin Skywalker]

27. Now Now

Ann Coulter is not ugly. Hell, I'd do her! :)

[ashmanonar]

46. beauty isn't the skin. it's the soul.

and she's ugly as hell. got beaten with an ugly stick once too many times.

[GiovanniC]

61. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

124. She'd snap like a twig!

Would you expect to enjoy it? :-) No one with that ugly a personality could be a good lover.

[mwb970]

154. Sorry, she's ugly

My skin crawls when I see her. Of course I only see her during the short reaction time between recognizing her and changing the channel, so it's not like I've studied her or anything. I hear she has an Adam's apple.

[CityZen-X]

19. C.W How Could You

even listen to this crapazoid of an excuse of a human being! I would rather abstract knowledge from an air bubble emitting from a cat turd!

[tishaLA]

36. Media Matters listens to Hannity so we don't have to!

And they provide transcripts of the craziest stuff.

[CatWoman]

48. check the link -- came from Media Matters

altho, I'll admit that while channel surfing last night, I ran across Drudge on H&C trashing Chris Rock.

[tsuki]

55. Why when we question Blackwell, we're racists, but when the

fRight Wing does it, they're not?

[CatWoman]

80. that's one of the biggest mysteries of modern days

because I veiw the attack on Chris as nothing but racist.

[RobertSeattle]

20. To paraphrase Olbermann: More premeditated, historical fraud

These guys are shameless. David Brock has a great quote in one of his books that basically goes: Show great outrage at the slightest of errors by anyone on the left while doing equally outrageous things - it's a great shtick.

[LiberalinNC]

24. How 'bout someone ask Hannity about his time in Vietnam????

[paineinthearse]

37. Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm

Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse?

[KyndCulture]

26. christonacracker... does the stupidty have no end? nt

[liberal43110]

28. There's no evidence that Kerry was in Vietnam...

just like there's no evidence that Bush fulfilled his National Guard duty.

Oh, I'm sorry there REALLY IS no evidence that Bush fulfilled his National Guard duty!!!!!!!!!!!

[bobbobbins]

29. Well no...he didn't say that...you're bending his words

He said was never in combat in Vietnam, which means he could have been in vietnam and just not fought. Im no fan of Hannity. But we should still try to be as accurate as possible when bashing someone.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

41. Bullshit. Kerry was wounded 3 times and got 3 purple hearts from COMBAT

There is no lack of evidence that Kerry was "IN COMBAT".
Kerry was wounded 3 times and they were not self inflicted.
If there is one thing we need to make clear, it is that Kerry was not only IN Vietnam, but he was in COMBAT there.

http://www.thehistorynet.com/ah/blkerryinvietnam/

Kerry opponent Robert E. Lambert's account:

Lambert, now 64, was a crew member on swift boat PCF-51 that day. The boat was commanded by Navy Lt. Larry Thurlow, a now-retired officer who questions why Kerry was awarded a Bronze star for bravery and a third Purple Heart for the March 13 incident.

"He and another officer now say we weren’t under fire at that time," Lambert said Wednesday afternoon. "Well, I sure was under the impression we were."

Lambert’s Bronze Star medal citation for the incident praises his courage under fire in the aftermath of a mine explosion that rocked another swift boat on that day 35 years ago.

"Anytime you are blown out of the water like that, they always follow that up with small arms fire," he said....

http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0826/local/stories/01local.htm

[bobbobbins]

43. ahem...I didn't say what Hannity said wasn't false...but....

i'm just pointing out that the poster says Hannity claimed kerry was never in vietnam...which is inaccurate...he said he was never in combat in vietnam(and i recognize that hannity made a false statement too, but hes being falsely accused)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

49. and if you can't see how Hannity's statement can be read BOTH ways

then.... ahem yourself.

It's a good easy cheap way to cheapen Kerry's service, which they have proven so adept at.

[CatWoman]

107. exactly!!!!!!

it doesn't take much to read between conservative lines.

[Andromeda]

65. Hannity doesn't really need defending

and he's not being falsely accused either. Repubs are really good at double-speak to brainwash their listeners and you've just shown it must be working.

[bobbobbins]

66. He is being falsely accused

the quote clearly said faced combat in vietnam, which is quite different than actually being in vietnam...its like saying...i never started a fire in my livingroom...and you making the claim i've never been in my living room

[Andromeda]

140. He was on a boat in VIETNAM.

He was on a Swift Boat in Vietnam, facing fire from the enemy and the fact it was on water instead of land doesn't make a bit of difference.

Nice try.

[Andromeda]

141. I don't know where the hell...

You come off spitting out crappola like this. Hannity doesn't need defending --- he needs to be sent to the moon on the next rocketship.

Hannity is one of the most loathsome, despicable, and arrogant right-wing shills I've ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes one and I can not and will not let you assist in spreading this kind of misinformation in a Democratic forum.

[UL_Approved]

121. In the Frontline that was about Bush and Kerry, there is VIDEO of Kerry...

in Viet Nam. The footage is of him getting back on the swift boat after walking through some jungle.

My question, where is GWB at this time????

You know, even Hitler saw combat in WWI. Junior can't even say that much about himself...

[paineinthearse]

30. I don't agree with Kerry all the time, but...

I've got his back and have sent this to my junior Senator.

[texastoast]

31. LOL at Hannity and all those freepers who think he has a brain

My Gawd! Ye will be judged fools!

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[maveric]

34. Sadly, a couple of million dittohead freepers will beleive this.

Hannity or Rush could say that JFK was Hitler's gay lover and dinner partner eating jewish babies and these morons would beleive it.

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[Old and In the Way]

51. What's your point?

At that specific time there was an alignment between the former
Head of State of Cambodia, Prince Norodom Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge-both were opposed to the coup of Lon Nol. US and South Vietnamese troops invaded Cambodia, without Lon Nol's knowledge or approval, in order to attack communist bases.

That was the Nixon-US policy to expand the war against the VC and part of that was to arm the local Cambodians against the VC.

I hope you weren't trying to smear Kerry with what the KR started doing years later. That kind of distortion,by false association, would be something the Republican propagandists Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would do.

[TahitiNut]

69. Did you happen to notice he's quoting another person???

:eyes:

[Generator]

39. I guess

To this mindset, the only real and good soldier is apparently a dead soldier. That proves you gave it your "all."

Purple hearts and a few limbs? Not enough.

[raysr]

40. The big thing here is

there are people that believe this shit! How did 49% of Americans get that dumb in so short a time?

[karynnj]

134. How did they get so dumb?

Listening to Hannity< Rush et al

[Liberal In Texas]

45. This is the SAME Coulter that makes up footnotes for her books, right?

eom

[Old and In the Way]

47. Well, I guess it says a lot about Hannity's listeners.

I mean, if they swallow a simple lie like that, I guess they can believe all of the lies he feeds them. Poor dupes. Hannity and Rush making all that money to get them to vote against their best interests.

[greenpagan]

50. There’s definitely absence of evidence that Hannity has a brain.

EOM

[tsuki]

53. Hannity's PO'ed that Loofah won the Media Matters Award

"Mis informer of the Year.) Hannity felt it was really his award.

Is it true the Hannity is also a house painter?

[LinuxInsurgent]

56. how about the damn video of Kerry

walking through Vietnam villages, or the pictures in the Swiftboats with his pals...or the testimony of his fellow soldiers who were in there..

That don't count for anything...

This guys is nuts...

[paineinthearse]

57. All fake....

That was shot in the Phillippines......

p.s. Neil Armstrong walked the moon on a set in Hollywood.

What a maroon!

[Arkana]

58. W....WHAAAAATTTT??????

These guys are absolute fucking idiots! They honestly think they can get away with this????? Using mAnn Coulter (who thinks Canada sent troops to Vietnam) as a source? The (wo)man would say Ted Kennedy has sex with wombats if she thought it would further her career!

[geniph]

59. Ann Coulter also said Thomas Jefferson was never President

and Alexander Hamilton was. She said that on Larry King Live, and staggered both Larry and the other guest, Alan Dershowitz with the sheer stupidity of that statement.

KING: If then were now, they couldn't make a case against Thomas Jefferson.

DERSHOWITZ: No.

COULTER: He was never president.

...

COULTER: Well, I suppose that's the only reason we can talk about it. If he weren't caught, there's nothing we can do, but if I could just say again, I mean, on this Iran-Contra, that is precisely what impeachment is not for.

I believe the reason for this is because of the one impeachment of a president, of Alexander Hamilton, was over Hamilton's refusal to enforce an unconstitutional law, so Congress was accusing the president...

DERSHOWITZ: You've got the wrong president, Ann. Ann, you've got the wrong president. It wasn't Alexander Hamilton, it was Andrew Johnson.

COULTER: Sorry, sorry. He wasn't -- Alexander Hamilton wasn't impeached.

DERSHOWITZ: He was shot.
(Not to mention, Hamilton was never president.)




http://users.rcn.com/skutsch/anticoulter/larryking98.html

[ailsagirl]

62. Coulter is cuckoo-- plain and simple

[tabasco]

64. What a dumbass.

Hamilton wasn't even eligible to be President, as he was born on a Caribbean island, the son of a British businessman.

[Onceuponalife]

72. Ann Coulter is dumb as a bag of hammers

and remember she wants all liberals to be executed.:silly:

[mcscajun]

144. What a total idiot Coulter is!

She probably flunked history class and thinks Hamilton was a president because he's on the $10 bill.

Gotta wonder what she thinks about Benjamin Franklin.

[applegrove]

63. Bush was in vietnam ... why i remember a photo of him on an aircraft

[JI7]

68. even the dickwads who hate him say he served in Vietnam

remember those ads "i served with john kerry in vietnam".

[ComerPerro]

70. Right wingers only value free speech when it justifies their lies and hate

[oasis]

71. Did Alan Colmes ask why Kerry's enemies, the Swift Boat Vets, claim

Kerry killed a kid in cold blood? How did he do that from Boston?

[sampsonblk]

73. Yet another reason why they keep beating us

There is no limit to what they will say against us. And no end either.

In a non-election year, these jerks will continue to lay the foundation for our defeat. So when the election year comes, Kerry types will be baffled as to why their clever logic and well-crafted positions didn't win the day. The deck is being stacked TODAY by Fox and by these talking-head liars. What will our side do?

This guy Hannity should have been crushed like a grape long ago.

[HughBeaumont]

76. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality"

"That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality," he said. "And while you're studying that reality, we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Remember that little quote?

[Callboy]

77. Hannity & Coulter

That would make a great show

[bo44]

78. Hannity is lower than the fleck of dookie on Ann's kneecaps

[bloom]

79. Ann Coulter is funded by Scaife and Horowitz

and there is no reason to believe a word she says.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3108536

[progressoid]

83. Oh fer chrissakes

[chrisbur]

84. C'mon, we will never gain the higher ground...

if we don't stop mis-quoting and distorting just as the kool-aid drinkers do. He never said Kerry was never in Vietnam. He said that "There is an absence of evidence that he was ever in COMBAT in Vietnam."

We know that to also be untrue but c'mon that thread title is mis-leading. I didn't see any posts question that. Everybody is so darned eager.

[Bridget Burke]

85. So, do you doubt Kerry was "in combat in Vietnam"?

The phrase has been mentioned in these posts & it's a black lie.

You, whose party paid for the Swift Boat Liars, should not lecture us about the higher ground....

[CatWoman]

87. we????? we?????????? we???????????????????

WE?????????????????????????????????????????

[chrisbur]

89. Duuude.....

Calm down. I've never been labeled as a freeper before. Weird feeling. I was just saying that the poster of the thread mis-quoted the asshat Sean Hannity. Hannity said that he never saw combat in Vietnam(which we know to be untrue) not, as the OP said was never in Vietnam. Let's just try to be more precise. I was surprised that nobody pointed out this difference.

[Pinboy]

125. Actually, Hannity said there is an absence of evidence, which is false . .

There is extensive evidence that Kerry was in combat in Vietnam, in Navy records and eyewitness statements.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

88. Well you sure are dardned eager to defend him even though

you agree that that is untrue? What does it matter?

[chrisbur]

90. Holy shit this is scary...

Listen, I have been in the blackest hole of despair as I have watched our country slip away. I am a liberal. I despise GWB. I despise Hannity etc...
Nobody sees any problem with the misquote? It makes Hannity's ridiculous claim turn into a superduper ridiculous claim. I mean the wingers are going to bury themselves with lies. We OTOH need to be more precise in our truthfulness. It gives us the upper hand and robs them of the ability to argue semantics rather than substance.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

91. No. There is NO POINT in NUANCING anything concerning Hannity

We don't need to take the high ground when someone such as Hannity throws a gutterball. That's like playing baseball on a football field. There is no difference between "never served" and "never saw combat" when BOTH are inaccurate and even if he SAID "never saw combat" people HEARD "never served." There is FILM demonstrating he SAW combat.

[chrisbur]

92. Okey dokey.

As long as you're OK with leaving words out when you quote people.
This is silly. You've go me far too close to defending Hannity. Something that makes me slightly nauseous.
You do see though, how when you argue with a freeper they will focus on the word dropped from the quote?

[fat free goodness]

102. It's never wrong to take the high ground.

And it usually pays in the end.

I'd deflate his statement on two points:

(1) It really doesn't SAY anything - It's just babble. It only gives impressions. OK for entertainment, but basically meaningless.

(2) What does he really MEAN? If he means Kerry was not in battle, there is proof he is wrong. And why come up with such a claim only now? If he means some of the evidence surrounding Kerry’s service seems to contradict other evidence, what does he think that proves? That’s the nature of evidence in the real world. If contradictory evidence concerning service is damning, then let’s talk Bush and ANG.

Both these can be advanced in reasonable tones using logic, let you take the high ground, and (even if someone is unconvinced either way) leave the impression you are thoughtful and honest, while perhaps the other guy is not.

[Resin]

111. I agree

I thought the same too, but someone mentioned it earlier already. They got the same response you did.

[fat free goodness]

101. I think you are correct.

We complain that the Republicans misquote us and willfully misinterpret what we say, yet too often we seem to gleefully do the same thing to them.

Let’s take it farther:

We complain that THEY are a party of hate, yet a poll here recently came up with about 75% of DU who say they literally HATED Republicans. Heck, even Dean sort-of said it, on-the-record in an interview.

We complain that the Repubs are bad for the country, but I see too many people fervently wishing for and gleefully celebrating national screw-ups and embarrassing international incidents because they think it improves our chances in the next election.

We need to keep our priorities straight. It’s hard to tell people you want what’s best for the country while being obviously happy when a national policy goes south, even when we can say “I told you so.”

[CatWoman]

106. another poster stuck on "we"

:eyes:

opening a school for posting etiquette, are we? I'm quite sure your services would be well appreciated on some of the conservative boards.

[fat free goodness]

127. umm... what?

re: "opening a school for posting etiquette, are we? I'm quite sure your services would be well appreciated on some of the conservative boards."

Please be clear.
I may be misinterpreting what you are trying to say.
If not, you seem to be implying I said something I did not, and calling me a conservative because of it.

Come to think of it, that's pretty close to what my original post was objecting to: I think we should criticize what was actually said, not alter or misinterpret it and criticize the new meaning.

If you think that makes me a conservative, please explain why.
If I am misinterpreting what you meant, then just ignore me, and no hard feelings on my part. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I honestly am not sure what you meant.

[antigone382]

110. Nobody celebrates national screw-ups here.

We predict them based on reality, and when our predictions prove true and the time comes to say "I told you so," we say it. It's our job.

My brother fought in Iraq. Do you think I don't want the mission that the soldiers were told they were fighting in Iraq to succeed? Do you think I don't want the Iraqi people to have the liberty we were told that we would be giving them? Do you think I'm "obviously happy" that our soldiers AND those people are dying every day, for greed, lies, and ineptitude?

Go ahead and blame me for hating the party that sent my brother to war for a lie, and potentially exposed him to toxins that could kill him, like they killed my best friend's father, who died of Gulf War syndrome. I don't "gleefully celebrate" that, and NOBODY here does. But we aren't blind, and we're not going to hide the truth just because it's unpleasant, or because it makes us look cynical.

[chrisbur]

113. Thanks...

I just felt that the post's title was a bit of a bait and switch. Just playing the devil's advocate and advocating a little accuracy. Didn't mean to cause a ruckus or crap on your post Catwoman. Sean Hannity is obviously a lying piece of crap.
To be truthful I was somewhat dismayed by the knee jerk attacks. I guess I'm lucky I didn't get banned for my oh so slight dissent.
I promise not to use the pronoun "we" or imply any insight into another's political or social views.

[CatWoman]

116. you know

Fuck Hannity, and Fuck Hannity's mother, and Fuck Hannity's dog, and Fuck anything that has anything to do with him.

I've watched these holier-than-thou bastards denigrate and scheme to destroy anyone with a (D) behind his or her name.

These people speak in code, and I've deciphered that code.

You have lots of work to do -- and defending that dirt bag bastard seems to be a priority for you. But it's not for me.

I'm just amazed at all of the "new" posters on this thread jumping to his defense, and demanding "accuracy" on my part.

I sure as fuck didn't see that demanded of those immoral bastards as they attacked, unmercifully, Bill Clinton, his wife, his friends or his child.

I'll say it again: these people speak in code. They have perfected that art. And until Democrats learn how to deal with it, and call a spade a spade, we will always be at these dirt bags mercy.

[chrisbur]

120. You know

I agree with you. In real life we would probably get along really well.

Here at DU I will be careful to toe the party line until I have at least 500 posts at which point you can be sure I am a radical lefty.

It's funny, in real life I do come off as a radical lefty.

Catwoman, I agree with you. I was just pointing out that you left out a word. We could have easily refuted what Hannity ACTUALLY said. I think it's important. I notice a trend. And yes the conservatives do it WAAAAY more than liberals.

In the past I have read your posts and found them insightful and of value. This is not a personal attack.

[Vogon_Glory]

94. How Talk Show Hosts Will Beat The Rap After Day of Reckoning

I fervently hope that someday someone will get sufficiently angry at these talk-show "hosts" to take them to court for slander and win sizable damages for broadcast calumny, but I'm none too hopeful that such a plaintiff will get what's due them on legal appeal. I can well imagine the defendants' attorneys arguing for a reduction of the fine on the grounds that the original plaintiffs were slandered by persons known to be practicing and documented habitual liars.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[TheMightyFavog]

95. Kerry, wake the fuck up!!

Get on the horn to your lawyers and sue the motherfucker for slander!

[Bouncy Ball]

96. Hey Hannity?

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE. JUST FUCK YOU.

All that smearing of a veteran shit pissed me off more than any fucking thing in the whole damn campaign.

WHAT WAR WERE YOU EVER IN, YOU SACK OF SHIT HANNITY? YOU LYING LITTLE TROGLODYTE? YOU LITTLE EVIL MOTHERFUCKER, HUH? WHEN HAVE YOU EVER RISKED YOUR SORRY ASS?????

[Bouncy Ball]

97. On second thought, I'm GLAD he said this.

Because no one EVER disputed the fact that Kerry was IN COMBAT in VIETNAM. Damn, the US NAVY backed his shit up.

The reason I'm glad he said this is because when freepers like my father in law utter WORD ONE about Kerry's service, I can bring up that this idiot said this and even my freeper father in law (a Vietnam vet himself) will have to say that isn't true, that Kerry WAS in combat in Vietnam.

[October]

146. I don't understand why anyone thinks we should ignore

this kind of comment.

When they repeat and repeat this garbage, it becomes truth to the people who watch/listen.

It's an outrage! Kerry and the Dems should rip this guy to shreds.

[erpowers]

98. Lots of Proof

There is a large amount of proof that Kerry was in the Vietnam War. From the pictures to the reports, Kerry was in the Vietnam War.

[Hell in a Handbasket]

99. why would it even MATTER anymore!

what the hell?

[mcscajun]

145. Exactly! Why are they still beating this drum, anyway?

It certainly made sense for them to be attacking Kerry during the campaign, but what's the goal now?

[carnie_sf]

100. This is typical

of these chickenhawk freeptards. Too scared to fight when it's their turn, but not too scared to promote war when it's someone else's turn to fight. And then impugn the honor and integrity of true combat veterans since combat veterans tend to be less willing to send a bunch of kids into harm's way then the chickenhawks (Think George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry).

[tcoursen]

105. confession

I generally vote republican, but have voted for Democrats.

I live in the NY area so I have listened to Limbaugh and Hannity for years and years. Hannity was OK when he was just local to NY. He got worse when he went national, and I started to listen to him less and less. before the election I stopped listening altogether.

He is just a complete ass at this point.

( Will this confession get me banned? )

[CatWoman]

108. no, but it will get you a great big hug

:hug:

welcome to DU!!! :hi:

[Cleita]

109. How can one get a copy of the checks Coulter and Hannity

are receiving from our government to publish these outrages statements? Is it possible? Of course, one has to find out which branch of government authorized the payment and that could get tricky under the freedom of information act. I am convinced that all these media whores are being paid with taxpayer's money to propagandize.

[Hugin]

112. Running scared...

The Gannonorama breaks out. What IS a one-trick pony
to do?

Drag out the "successful" SBVT-horsecrap.

THE ONLY GOOD THING about rigged elections is that they
drive the group who thought they won deeper into stupidity.

There's no feedback on what tactics actually work. What issues
are really relevant. So they (If I may say this) spin off into
insanity. They're so convinced it worked they pump it for all
it's worth. As, Wes Clark said... "Expect to see a lot more of
what seems to work."

I know Voltaire is quoted ad nauseum around here... But,
my favorite is his only prayer:

"Please Lord, make all of my enemies ridiculous." Looks like
they are well on their way. Thanks Lord!

[TheModernTerrorist]

115. hahaha

because of this article, I now have a new name for my morning BM.


...can anybody guess what it is?

;-)
(BTW, I'm kidding, I don't name anything related to my body, don't want to scare anyone)

[H2O Man]

119. It's true ....

Kerry likes to dress up in Power Ranger costumes, and prance around on battleships. But he was never in the hell of war. That was President George W. Bush. It was George W. Bush that won the war in Vietnam. Single-handedly, too. He was called "George of the Jungle" by the Viet Cong. They feared him to an extent they were prone to hide in tunnels to avoid his wrath. It was the politically correct left-wing that try to re-write history, and pretend Kerry had the balls to wear the uniform in a time of conflict. He didn't. George Bush, Sr got Kerry a cushy position with the Girl Scouts, also unreported.

[i miss america]

122. LOL!

[BrightKnight]

128. Was Hannity in Vietnam? -n/t

[karynnj]

129. Maybe there's more to the story

As many people (or conspiracy buffs) know in 1966, Paul McCartney was in an accident and the Beatles found a team who found a man with the same voice, same ability to play bass and write songs, who looked close enough like him with plastic surgery to fool the world.

Well, roughly at the same time, John Kerry realized that he would soon have to go to the Navy. Deciding that he would have far more fun spending the next 4 or so years in France, he hired the same team. This was actually easier, they found a young, tall man who could pass for Kerry to the navy, where no one knew the real Kerry. Substituting is so much easier when you are not world famous. After about 3 1/2 years the fake JK was able to return. He was met at the airport by the real JK and thanked and paid off.

The real John Kerry since then has said that he was in Vietnam. But somehow after all these years, Sean Hannity found out. How, no one knows.

[GoSolar]

130. Maybe the function of the right wing media

is to saturate the airwaves with so many lies, that we spend so much time focusing on those and missing stuff going on behind the scene? That is the only explaination I can come up with for the incredible number of such blatant lies.

[Toucano]

131. To call the man prick is to insult pricks.

How about "lying sack of shit" instead?

[jmcon007]

132. just an observation for what it's worth.....

It's amazing what today's shameless mainstream press will swallow whole when it comes to Whitehouse spin and what us Dems allow Bush and Co, to get away with.
I joined the Marine Corps in 1968, went to Viet Nam as a lowly grunt, returned home and finished my service in Camp Lejuene, NC in 1970. Within the past couple of years I requested my C-File (all records of my service)and I am here to tell you this thick file represents a chronological, documented record of every single day of my whereabouts during my time serving in the Marine Corps.
How is it possible, pray tell, that the son of a high profile ambassador and grandson of a U.S. senator cannot account for a certain period of time that he "served"? Lost records?
Even though a high ranking officer has admitted being asked to help GW get a cushy job back when he entered the service, we're just supposed to accept GW's version?
"Trust" them that GW Bush served honorably? "Trust" them that the voting machine software is on the up and up? Trust them? Trust them?
I never thought I would find myself quoting or paraphrasing Ronald Reagan with a straight face, but we should say, 'Yes we trust you, but we need to verify just the same."
God give us Democrats a backbone.

[geniph]

155. jmcon, where were you stationed in Viet Nam?

My husband also joined the Marines in 1968, and was in the Northern I-Corps with 3rd Tanks.

Oh, and welcome to DU!

[ucmike]

133. one lies, the others swear by it and spread it around.

journalism my ass. fair and balanced????

i'd laugh out loud if otherwise intelligent people didn't frequently echo faux news crap to me.

[geniph]

135. There's an absence of evidence of cogitative capabilities

in either Hannity or Coulter.

What a pair of tools.

:eyes:

Just out of curiosity, what precisely would constitute "evidence of combat" to these spudbots? The sworn statements of his fellow Swiftboat veterans, his commanding officers, the men who served under him, obviously aren't sufficient to outweigh the "evidence" presented by a few disgruntled Republican operatives who never actually served with him. The story of the man he fished from the water while under fire is clearly insufficient evidence. The documentation of his Silver Star is insufficient. I suppose if there were a videotape, they'd claim it was a fabrication. What do they want, a fucking time machine?

There's an absence of evidence that Shitbird Shrub showed up for 18 months of his sworn service in the Air National Guard, too. Well, other than getting a filling - free services off the government teat for a millionaire, isn't that wonderful to see that level of independence and initiative? How uniquely American.

[karynnj]

136. There is film of Kerry in Vietnam

Kerry filmed Vietnam and there were some little segments of him walking in Vietnam - the RW actually complained that he had these little films. And pictures too!

[Mr_Spock]

137. Just a distraction - ignore the moron.

He just says crap like that to detract from the fallout over trashing Freep Repukelick. Nothing happanign here - carry on... :D

[AngryOldDem]

142. Well, if Ann says it,

...it's gotta be true!

:eyes: :puke:

[ContraBass Black]

143. Should I laugh, sigh, or cry?

I really don't know anymore.

[count_alucard]

151. I am actually more concerned with evidence

that Kerry was in combat against Bush in 2004, especially after it became evident the election was blatantly stolen.

Who cares about Vietnam anyway? Kerry promised to REPORT FOR DUTY in 2004 and ran like a rabbit.

[edbermac]

153. Yeah Sean, and the Holocaust never happened either, right?

:wtf: