Screw republicans. Screw "reaching out" to republicans.

[LynnTheDem]

New secretary of education Margaret Spellings;

Ms. Spellings said that Senator Orrin G. Hatch had invited her to Utah and she expressed eagerness to visit there. "These are Republicans," she said. "These are our people."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/politics/14educ.html?ex=1266037200&en=e1286a29f7585f2f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

Fight them all, every last one of them.

[DELUSIONAL]

1. Well THEY aren't reaching out to us . . .

This is WAR. It is war for the future of this nation -- for the very existence of this nation.

I've seen these creeps do everything in their power to alienate liberals (turning this into a very bad name to call someone). I've watched them hunt down Clinton (I can't even get through that movie -- The hunting of the President).

Basically they don't give a damn what we think.

So I join you in the new battle cry.

Screw Republicans. Screw "reaching out" to Republicans."

Let the GOPigs wallow in their own filth.

[opihimoimoi]

3. My stats confirm your line of thinking....only 2% can stay Pub Free

when passing the 7 step program.... after 1 year, 98% go back to being Pubs.

We are starting to suspect a pathogen of some sort...looking at numbers..its gone into a highly contagious mode...and developed into a program resistant strain....

[pansypoo53219]

6. damn straight. to be BI-partisan,

the WINNERS have to move too.
and UNDER 51% is NOT a mandate. no matter how many times you REPEAT it.

[mattclearing]

2. Screw reaching out to Republicans indeed.

They sure as hell don't reach out to us.

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[LynnTheDem]

11. I can't say what I want to say because it's against DU rules.

Keep drinking that koolade, dear.

[bryant69]

12. I say we've seen President Bush reach out before

I am not a big fan of the "Screw REpublican movement" but to suggest that President Bush was reaching out to us at the State of the Union is to fundamentally misunderstand the lay of the land. President Bush has no interest in comporomising with progressives or liberals (which would push his policies left ward). That is simply a rhetorical gambit designed to make Democrats look bad when they oppose his Social Security Phase out plan.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

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17. Thank you for explaining and clarifying your position

I'm sure we all understand where you are coming from now.

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[bryant69]

49. I obviously didn't set that policy

but I can see the value in it. This is intended as a place where we can discuss amongst ourselves, as opposed to a more public forum.

[Bouncy Ball]

50. This place isn't about freedom of speech.

That's the oldest, most worn out freeper argument there is. It's a PRIVATELY funded website with specific posting rules.

You violate them. Thus you will be gone soon.

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[LynnTheDem]

24. Koolaid straight to the brain.

Did you do a "search by author"? This one should be volunteering to go die for bush-god's lies.

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[LynnTheDem]

41. You should go read DU member rules.

Buh bye. :)

[Mandate My Ass]

21. riDICKulous

what say you? :silly:

[LynnTheDem]

25. Somebody else did a "search by author"

:D

[Mandate My Ass]

26. I love that feature

He admits he "leans" right. Yeah, if the Tower of Pisa leaned that far right it would have fallen over, dug a trench, and come up out of the ground on the other side.

[LynnTheDem]

29. rotfl!!!

:D :D :D

[Bouncy Ball]

34. Thanks, I just did an advanced search, too

Ri-DICK-ulous!

LOL!

I love the alert button.

[Mandate My Ass]

14. Yummy kool-aid

tastes so good. :9

[mattclearing]

28. Yeah. He said that.

But his plan is "My way or the highway," and the more people look at it, the more they realize it is a shell game.

Would you borrow two trillion dollars and then let it ride on the stock market on behalf of the American people?

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[mattclearing]

36. No.

That was Clinton's plan. Nice try, though.

This is from the White House's site:

"Personal retirement accounts would be invested in a mix of conservative bond and stock funds. Workers would be permitted to allocate their personal retirement account contributions among a small number of very broadly diversified index funds patterned after the current TSP funds."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050210-1.html

Thank you for playing. Come again soon.

[KharmaTrain]

45. Re-Do The Equation, Not The System

Yep, you've bit into the lies hook line & sinker.

SSI was not set to make you money or be a retirement fund. It was supposed to be a "rainy day" fund set aside, in addition to personal savings and company pensions that would make for a comfortable retirement (originally at 55 not 65).

The personal savings have gone to hell as this regime and its corporate masters have created a credit card debtors society that has millions locked into 15% revolving debt that make savings almost impossible...and has force many two-parent families to have to find the 2 or 3 or more jobs to make ends meet (as your hero said "isn't that a good thing..." to a lady who has to work 3 jobs just to feed her family). So without savings, what next?

Oh, the pensions? Yep, tell all those folks who have seen 20, 30, 40 years of work vanish by corporate corruption and mismangement that speculated those pensions on companies like Enron & Worldcom...or just went bust and now is protected by this regime from ever having to account for what happened to those pension funds and who was responsible. If you're lucky, you had a good 401k or other plan that grew enough that the drop in it's portfolio value over the past 4 years hasn't killed you. Go to your nearby GOOP Wal-Mart and see the number of retirees who are "Greeters"; working for minimum wage with almost no benefit...when they should have had that money already in their earned and deserved pensions. Care for your party to investigate?

Lastly, SSI is a supplement...and was the last line of defense...that money one hopes you wouldn't need or would cover shortfalls and emergencies. Supplemental! Sadly too many people thought SSI was the entire enchillada. Shame on both parties for perpetuating that sham and now we have a lot of poor and middle class elderly and an even bigger group reaching 65 every day that are totally dependent on this system.

SSI needs to be re-inforced, not gutted. It'd be good to re-examine the formula used for what is done with the money in the SSI trust fund, but the money is gone...raided by your regime.

Reaching out? Yeah right. The Repugnican party has been coverted and compromised by the right wing and corporates who believe they keep their power by dividing, not reaching across.

Now, name me ONE thing in his first four years, your lord and savior, George W. Bunnypants did to reach across to Democrats? No Child Left Behind? I'd love to debate you on that...as would a ton of other, more knowledgeable DU'ers.

Cheers

...hope you haven't been tombstoned by now...I think we need more of your type around here...good therapy and reinforces my values.

[mattclearing]

47. Agreed. I checked...he wasn't five minutes ago.

It's nice to actually school someone who believes the nonsense this Administration is spouting.

But I get the impression he has bailed on this conversation, having run right into a brick wall.

What? You guys actually know stuff? No fair!

[Bouncy Ball]

51. He's gone now, though!

[mattclearing]

55. Hahaha!

Too bad. I was really looking forward to his stammering response.

If you're reading this, Vermontster:

I look forward to your future attempts to disrupt.

Next time try to do your homework.

:toast:

[KharmaTrain]

54. For the "Party Of Economics"

Repugnicans sure understand so little about the economy. LOL.

I'd bet our new "friend" here wouldn't dare touch the Brit Fumes lie distorting Roosevelt's original vision of the SSI system to fit this regime's plundering of it. Bloggerman covers it very well.

He's probably gone back to Freeperland...saying how all we did was whine.

I love taking these goons on...my affirmation of faith. LOL

[mattclearing]

57. Totally. Although I have to admit it says something about our guys...

...since it's so easy to demolish these people, you'd think our people would be sticking it to them more regularly.

[LynnTheDem]

59. I wish they at least knew about their bush-god's position on the issues

They don't even know that, let alone any Facts and Reality re Iraq, SS, etc.

It's bloody embarrassing having to discuss anything with rightwingnut morans when they DON'T EVEN KNOW BUSH'S STANCE on issues!

bush supporters; dumb as dirt

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html

bush supporters; dumber than dirt

[mattclearing]

60. Dumb as bricks.

These people obviously have no sense, nor any critical thinking ability.

What's that quote about Democracy being a system that ensures a people the government it deserves?

[FreedomAngel82]

66. The only thing

they understand is they're right and we're out of reality and evil. :eyes:

[Gman]

4. They declared a Cultural War in 1992 in Houston

We are at war whether or not we want to realize it. We cannot negotiate with these cultural terrorists. There is no reaching out.

[Goblinmonger]

5. As a teacher

I am fearful of where Spellings will be taking us. This quotation only compounds those fears. What an asshat.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. Do they still

have spelling bee's and contest's in schools? I remember when I was in elementary school we had one. We all stud up in line in class and we'd all spell until we got one wrong. The winner then would represent the class in a spelling bee at the school. I wonder if they still have them in elementary school. :shrug: Does anybody know? Next time I see my younger cousin's I'll have to ask them if I remember. (If you're wondering I went to school throughout Clinton's years).

[benburch]

7. Amen, Sister!

The day we start to take back this country is that day we start open (political, cultural, financial, intellectual) warfare on Republicans and all things they support.

We need to make them fear us.

We need to become better armed than they are, both politically and physically.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. I've never understood the whole "reaching out" thing

IT LEGITIMIZES THEIR POSITIONS!

Their positions are NOT legitimate!! They're just EVIL. They are corrupt, they are wrong, they are IMMORAL (yeah, I said it, but starting a preventative war and not fighting poverty is IMMORAL in my mind).

I'm not going to reach out to repukes anymore than I would have reached out to Mussollini.

It just gives them the (wrong) idea that they are right. They AREN'T.

And they don't play fair to begin with. No, you don't reach out to people like that. You FIGHT THEM.

[jonnyblitz]

9. why, does some dumbass recommend we DO reach out to them?

oh yeah, I forget...

[bryant69]

15. The problem is individuals verses leadership

Should we reach out to the leadership of the Conservative / Republican party? While there may come a day when that is a godo strategy and it has been a good strategy in the past on occasion (civil rights legislation for example was passed with the help of both parties), right now extending the hand of friendship to people who believe of traitors and who clearly hate us is asking for that hand to be chopped off.

But then there are Republicans all around us. I work with several--you do too. What should be done about those people? Should we maintain a constant stance of belligerence towards all Republicans? Or should we try to convince them of the errors of their ways? I'm not sure this is a question that can be answered except on a case by case basis. I certainly don't think constant belligerence is going to benefit our cause, but there certainly are republicans with which there is no point to discussion.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Blue Wally]

18. There is a strategy for a minority

It involves being somewhat accomodating and letting the majority leaders know they can count on you for some votes when needed (for a price). That is what the Republicans did during all of their years in the congressional wilderness. You get to have input to legislation that the majority wants and they don't have to "herd cats" to keep their party together on every vote. The Republicans in the House and Senate got an awful lot of things going their way during the 1955-1995 era of Democratic dominance by using these tactics.

[Bouncy Ball]

22. The Democrats of 1955 to 1995 CANNOT be compared

to the republicans of today, that's the problem. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

[bryant69]

27. I'd tend to agree with this

Nor can you compare them to the Democrats of that time period. This is a party that wants to crush Democrats--we might be able to work with a (very) few individuals, but as a whole, this sort of plan just doesn't seem like it would work to me.

Bryant
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[AngryWhiteLiberal]

53. Simple. They care more about personal power than core Dem beliefs

These Repuke-lite Dems are WORSE than far right Repukes. At least the far right Repukes have the GUTS to stand up for their convictions (as scary as those convictions may be).

JB

[tabasco]

23. Eliot Ness never reached out to Al Capone.

The neocons are criminals. We should be seeking to put them in jail, not reaching out to them.

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[skippythwndrdog]

37. Screw winning elections, screw ever holding office again!

That would have the same effect as what you suggest.

[Bouncy Ball]

38. You wanna reach out to them?

Go right ahead and watch them smile at you while they screw you up the ass.

As for myself, I have a bit too much self-respect to subject myself to that. But hey, if you're a glutton for self-punishment, have at it!

[skippythwndrdog]

42. Oh boy.

Do you really think that "they" are all the same? I care about winning elections.

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[skippythwndrdog]

56. Don't be absurd.

Reasonable people can disagree, apparently unreasonable ones can too. The problem with your logic is that WE LOST. Now, to win in the future, we need to get some of the people who voted for Bush to vote for our candidate. Therefore, we would have to reach out. Simple concept, isn't it? Thinking that all Bush voters are "CULT members" is absurd, unless you consider 51% of the populace to be cultists, which you admit that you cannot "convert". Therefore, your position would cause us to continue to lose elections.

[Bouncy Ball]

61. Let's put aside for a moment the fact

that I don't think that election was totally on the up and up (which would destroy your entire argument).

Like someone else said on this thread, Elliot Ness didn't reach out to Al Capone.

I can see how repukes would just LOVE this way of thinking. "Oh look, aren't they cute? Still thinking they can just reach out and win us over?"

Right. Like I said, knock yourself out, have fun with that. Meanwhile, I think criminals should be FOUGHT.

And as for the people who voted for them? The more and more the bush cabal hangs themselves on their own rope, the more REASONABLE people will see the light of day. They are doing it for us.

[skippythwndrdog]

62. There are plenty of fence sitters.

I know a number of them. For a lot of people, voting was for one candidate or the other, it was AGAINST one candidate or the other. Many of the folks who voted for Senator Kerry were really voting AGAINST President Bush. Similarly, many who voted for President Bush were really voting AGAINST Senator Kerry. The reality is that, to many people, we did not present an attractive candidate. For that matter, neither did the Republicans. That is why I feel that I can (and do) try to "convert" some to our side. If I were to hate them, I'd never be able to change them. We have to start somewhere, and that is the bottom. We need to start with Joe America, or in my case, Joe Ohio.

[FreedomAngel82]

69. I think it depends

on the person and how far "gone" they are. If they are past reachable and where you can't talk in a civil conversation with them about issues and where they just spew out RNC talking points then those people you surely can't reach. For someone who is so far gone it will take either them learning the truth on their own, something effect them personally or a "shock and awe" effect from BushCo on all of us.

[skippythwndrdog]

70. You are right.

We need to concentrate on those 10 to 20 percent of people who are in the middle.

[LynnTheDem]

48. So you're just the same as them then? Party uber alles, f*ck integrity

and honesty and honor etc? Whatever it takes to win?

WIN WHAT???

I'd rather lose every election forever than compromise on integrity & honor. You compromise that, then you lose everything, regardless how many elections you manage to "win".

[Bouncy Ball]

52. (Advanced search is your friend.)

[LynnTheDem]

58. Oy vey!

I see what you mean, thanks!

[Telly Savalas]

65. Me too.

That's why I'd gun for the independents and getting our own voters out in numbers rather than jousting with windmills by trying to appease the radical right.

[ArkDem]

39. Death to republicans!

[SmokingJacket]

40. The only solution is hurry them along on their own self-destruction.

As Gandhi reminded us, these people always fail in the end.

There are so many scandals, so much corruption rotting away at this administration, that it is only a matter of time before they collapse.

We just need to nudge, to uncover the rot, to keep working away.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

44. It's not Repukes we need to fight. It's dumbass Dark Ages thinking.

It just so happens that the majority of backwards-ass, Dark Ages, fundie fascist, thinking tends to spring from individuals in this political party. There are plenty of other voters who have similar faults in intelligence and thinking that need to be combated, as well.

JB

[Brewman_Jax]

63. I haven't met one that wasn't

morally bankrupt, intellectually dishonest, mentally deficient, emotionally repressed, and willfully deluded, or some combination of the above.

My retired freeper dad voted for Bush* 'cause he thought (and said this out loud) that Kerry was gonna take away his guns. I don't remember the last time that he's actually gone to the range. Now, he's crying about how his health coverage keeps going up. One of my freeper drinking buddies said that he didn't trust Kerry. Kerry is a confirmed veteran and he voted for a deserter. I wonder how he'll feel when there's no scholarship money for his kids (10-yr-old twins) to go to college. What if they enlist and go to the war he helped continue?



Even following freeper logic, no freeper could vote for Bush*, but they do it in droves. I agree, these people are beyond reason. They have to change on their own.

[Brewman_Jax]

64. kick

:kick:

[Behind the Aegis]

68. I agree with you!! Shout it from the rooftops!

It seems to me that the party in power should be responsible for "reaching out!" They are the ones who will stonewalled if they refuse to at least accept some of our conversations. Any attempt to reach out to the 'Thugs has not boded well for our party. They say one thing, once they have us, they screw us over! They have no honor and should be treated as such!

[BigBearJohn]

71. I agree. No more "Mr. Niceguy".. No more apologizing for being ME

[HughBeaumont]

72. I seriously don't get WHY the Joe Sixpacks of this earth actually think

this outdated and backwards party "reaches out" or "speaks" to them?

You aren't rich. They are and will do everything in their power to KEEP it that way.
You don't want your civil rights repressed. They're in favor of taking away many civil rights of many innocent people.
You don't want your kids to be drafted. Sure as hell wondering where they're going to get all of these men and women to fight the wars they got planned. Sure as hell isn't going to be from our allies who think * is a tool.
You want fiscal responsibility. This runaway drunk spendthrift is bankrupting generations with his stupidity.
You aren't in favor of your job getting shipped overseas because flimsy economic theory dictates it as a positive. This party is, because it favors the RICH EXECUTIVES, which any sub-moron can see.

I could go on, but damn, how many completely obvious things do we have to point out to these morans? I think not reaching out to them is a great idea, simply because they're freaking hopeless.

[LynnTheDem]

73. They're SO hopeless, they're Democrats and DON'T KNOW IT!

On SIX out of EIGHT ISSUES, rethugs agreed with KERRY'S POSITION on those issues and disagreed with bush's!

SIX out of EIGHT ISSUES! They thought bush agreed with them on those 6 issues, but actually it was KERRY who they were in agreement with.

And the rethugs didn't even know it.

They voted AGAINST THEIR OWN BELIEFS.



Hopeless stupidest MFers on the planet.

[HughBeaumont]

74. Makes me laugh.

I should pin this chart to my freeper neighbor's doors. And there are several on this street. Of course, the one is catholic and guess which two issues drove HIS family's vote? Here's a clue: neither have ANYthing to do with running a country.

Seriously, there's NO talking to these hopeless dopes.

[ArkDem]

75. I hate people who disagree with me too!

[HughBeaumont]

76. Gee, sorry I'm not being a "bridge builder" . . .

but I'm not about to reach out to people who fully support an administration that's sending my friend to Vietraq for seven months, all because of oil interests. These people adamantly chose who they wanted to destroy this country, and it's my choice to give them zero respect for doing so.

There'll never be a point where hatred will come into play, but if anything happens to him, I will have completely washed my hands of trying to reach out . . . ever.

[ArkDem]

77. Oh well, thats best left to Bill Clinton!