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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:55 AM
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Dean not so good on the Environment
http://www.vtce.org/deanenvironmentomya.html

(bi-weekly — published 01.08.03)

Governor Howard Dean officially morphs into presidential candidate Dean this month, and we're already hearing elaborate, puffy tales about his stewardship of the state. Our outgoing governor is hoping he can pull out his golden parachute one more time and drift softly into the nation's top political job.

So Dean and his staff have spent the last few months white-washing his record and making it seem as though the governor brought nothing but bliss to Vermonters for the past 11 years. The goal: to entice members of Vermont's loyal media to plant the seeds for favorable national coverage as he attempts to distinguish himself from the crowded Democratic field.

And nowhere will the tales of glory be more off the mark than when the Dean team gushes about his environmental record. "EP under Governor Dean means Expedite Permits, not Environmental Protection," proclaims Annette Smith, the director of the Danby-based Vermonters for a Clean Environment.

Smith is no stranger to Dean's record, having tangled with the Dean administration on everything from mining in Danby to pesticide usage on Vermont's mega-farms. When Smith learned that Dean was holding a press conference at the Burlington Community Boathouse recently to celebrate his eco-legacy, she fired off e-mails to Vermont environmentalists calling for a protest of the event and asking if they were "going to let Governor Dean ride out on his white horse of environmental leadership?"

It was Smith who stumbled onto Dean's official gubernatorial Web site a couple of years ago and found a bucolic photo of her home town of Danby featured with this caption: "Time stands still here -- you might even forget when it's time to go home." Ironically, the location depicted in the photo was the same spot Dean was pushing to host a massive gas pipeline, a plan that would have required timber clear-cuts and other dramatic topographical changes. The Dean team removed the photo within a couple of weeks, but not before Smith made hay with his apparent hypocrisy.

"Dean's attempt to run for president as an environmentalist is nothing but a fraud," Smith told Seven Days. "He's destroyed the Agency of Natural Resources, he's refused to meet with environmentalists while constantly meeting with the development community, and he's made the permitting process one big, dysfunctional joke."
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CentristDemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 11:56 AM
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1. Dean shits molasses.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:13 PM
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2. only managed to protect one million acres
"Dean does deserve credit for one environmental issue: his peripatetic efforts in land conservation. During his tenure, the governor has overseen the public preservation of more than one million acres of Vermont land, most notably the former Champion Corporation lands in the Northeast Kingdom. "But these special parcels seem to be the only land Dean cares about," asserts Kaplan. "The rest has been fair game for over-development.""

What meager parcels, his accomplishment was periapatetic indeed. What is 1,000,000 acres? If it were square it would be a mere 208,000 feet on each side. That's only 40 miles on a side; I've seen better. /sarcasm
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:29 PM
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9. Information on Dean and the Vermont Champion land deal

One of these times occurs toward the end of April, in the brown-tweed-and-blond-wood conference room of an affluent Westside law firm that is hosting Dean at a sandwich lunch for the benefit of the California League of Conservation Voters. About 50 people are sitting around a horseshoe formation of long tables, and Dean stands in the central opening, shirtsleeves rolled up and arms crossed, a halogen spotlight making his forehead shiny, while he holds forth, answering questions cogently and effortlessly for close to an hour. He discusses emissions standards and ethanol and wind farms, and he offers up something that’s absolute catnip to anyone with an interest in how politics are actually done — the forthright, ligament-by-ligament anatomy of a deal, this one involving the recent preservation of Vermont’s Champion lands, an area of 133,000 acres; a “huge” piece, he says proudly, the largest land deal east of the Mississippi.

He and his team used the NRA, he says, to neutralize the most ardent property-rights Republicans in the legislature. They then went to the snowmobilers and explained that although there would be a wilderness area off-limits to them, there would be other areas they could utilize. They used that concession, he goes on, to get the snowmobilers’ help in supporting the exclusion of ATVs: “You can’t compromise with ATVers under any circumstances, they just do too much damage to the land . . .” In other words, Dean says, you assemble the broadest coalition possible and then parcel out something for everybody. “Now, it can’t be everybody, because there’s always those on the extreme edge of the right who want to clear-cut everything, that’s their idea of sustainable timbering . . .” But in general, he says, you work with all the stakeholders, and then if one element of the coalition starts to defect, if the snowmobilers, say, try to link up with the ATVers, which they sometimes threaten to do, “you put the leverage on. You say, ‘If it’s a choice between letting the ATVs in or keeping the snowmobile people out — sorry, we’ll see you later.’ And that brings the snowmobilers back to the table . . .”

Then, somewhere in the middle of this entirely pragmatic discussion, Dean pauses, and he puts his finger on a kind of abstract longing involving a belief that there exist two strands in American politics, the one preoccupied with self-interest and the other a genuine concern for fellow citizens, and a desire for these strands to combine. He says slowly and thoughtfully, “The biggest damage we’ve suffered in the last two years hasn’t been economic, and it hasn’t even been our loss of respect in the eyes of the world. The biggest loss we’ve sustained in this country has been our loss of community . . . It’s not enough for me just to have good schools for my kid, or good health care for my kid. It’s really important for us to provide these things for everybody. That’s been the premise of America. That’s what we have to get back again.”

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/41/features-wolf.php
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:23 PM
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3. Those F****** Vermonters!
They kept electing this bastard? You'd think someone would have been able to challenge his tyrannical hand in a state like Vermont when he is so obviously a bad steward of the land.

:eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:31 PM
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4. I know...I've heard nothing but good things from Vermonters on Dean...
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 12:32 PM by zidzi
Sooo I am wondering what this writer's agenda is? Any axes to grind?
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:34 PM
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5. Next installment: Dean is actually the illegitimate son of Satan!
:eyes:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 12:43 PM
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6. decide for yourself
http://vermont.sierraclub.org/
The link with this year's conservation agenda is good.
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:17 PM
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7. "My Candidate Sucks So Bad That I Have To Attack Yours"
All hail CoffeePlease1947! He has come up with the perfect formula for dispelling all these negative campaign threads! All you Dean-bashers, Kerry-bashers, any-Democrat-bashers, please repeat after me: “MY CANDIDATE SUCKS SO BAD THAT I HAVE TO ATTACK YOURS.”

If I were a Bush supporter, I would be ROFLMAO to see all these Democrats ripping each other to pieces. My candidate in the general election is Anybody But Bush. As for the primaries, I haven’t decided yet. Amazing, ain’t it? Considering that the primaries are only six months away.

Come on, ladies and gentlemen! Unity, please! Eyes on the prize! BUCK FUSH!
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:20 PM
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8. The creadability of this anti Dean crap gets worse every day.
What was it yesterday? Oh yay, that Dean didn't like Isrial.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 02:31 PM
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10. c'mon nancy waterman
Why are you posting this?

Haven't you realized yet that DU is no longer a forum for any kind of reasonable political debate?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:02 PM
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11. There have been some thoughtful responses to this thread...
"dean is not so good on the environment"

Did you have anything to add?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:57 PM
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12. I didn't find most of the responses particularily thoughtful
they're mostly the usual rush of Dean supporters attacking a percieved slight. I find the links Ms. Waterman provided point out some very problematic things concerning Gov. Dean's record on the environment in Vermont.

My experience with Vermonters vis a vis Dean's stewardship of the state also don't jive with his campaign. One in particular, whose politics are considerably to the left of mine, has nothing good to say about the Doctor, especially when it comes to the environment.
But that's anecdotal. However, when I read the information in the links provided, it does lend some credibility to what this person says.

My biggest problem with Dean is that a lot of what he's saying now doesn't connect with his 12 years as gov. of Vermont.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:10 PM
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13. Dean Supporters in denial
Say you don't care about the environment, but don't pretend that you know better then the environmental agencies in vermont. Maybe Dean has some splainin to do.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:13 PM
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14. Gee Nancy, uh oh...
Ya found something now didn't ya...oh boy...can't vote for him now!
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