Pro War Protesters Surround Home in California (must see)

[Jamastiene]

Sorry if this is an old story, but I thought I'd post it as an alert of sorts to yet another free speech violation and yet another crime going unpunished in Bush's America.




February 9, 2005

SACRAMENTO -- Some Sacramento residents are reacting with outrage over a homeowner's controversial war protest in Land Park. When they saw the American soldier display, they decided to do something about it. FOX40 cameras captured the incidents as they happened.

Neighbor Pete Miles said "To me it's just mostly signs of ignorance." He lives next to the house on Marty Way that has a lot of people upset. The house is owned by Steve and Virginia Pearcy, who live in Berkeley.

Neighbor Brian Theodore said "This is our neighborhood, we have to look at it, we don't have a choice, so your freedom of speech has gone a little too far here." What got people so upset? A fake U.S. soldier in uniform hung by the neck with a noose, with a sign on it that says "your tax dollars at work."

Jeff McAlpine/Sacramento Resident said "Our brave servicemen fighting for our lives. if they don't like it that's one thing, but that's a gross display right there." This young man, who would not identify himself, was just walking down the street when he decided he had seen enough. He climbed onto the house and tore down part of the display.

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read more
http://fox40.trb.com/news/ktxl-020905soldier,0,354910.story?coll=ktxl-home-2

also
There is a protest planned outside this California couple's home this week and although it is THEIR home, pro war protesters claim the couple will be crashing the protest against them.

Here is the second version of the American soldier display

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42838

Does anyone here beside me think tearing down this display was an act of vandalism?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. Does anyone here beside me think this is an act of vandalism?

"FOX40 cameras captured the incidents as they happened."

No, and since they have the perps on tape they should demand that the local prosecutor do something about it.

[LynnTheDem]

2. Felony; criminal trespass.

Too bad the total and utter ignorance of "pro war" assholes so stupid they think our troops are dying in Iraq to "protect our lives" isn't also a felony.

That level of f*cking ignorance ought to be.

[Must_B_Free]

3. Call the police and have the pro war protestors tear gassed

[tom_paine]

5. Right. And have the local cops in 1936 Germany

Called in to stop the nazis from vandalizing homes of Jews.

As much chance of one as the other.

"I disagree with what you say but will defend to your death the right to say it," was a tenet of the Old Amerikan Republic.

It was one of the first things to die off, I think it died before the Republic.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

28. While I think your quote is accurately reflecting the way these people fee

I don't think that was your intention. "Defend to your death", should read, "defend to the death". :)

Edit for cat on keyboard

[JohnnyRingo]

4. Almost a week after it was put up....These "irate neighbors" show up?

I don't think so....These people are out of town freep types led to the "cause" by RW radio hosts and Fox news.

Maybe they can burn a health clinic while they're in town.

[Guaranteed]

7. They weren't neighbors...there's a post around here from

a few days ago wherein some freeper was calling for some kind of "candlelight vigil" at the peoples' house.

Right...candlelight....more like torches.

[mattclearing]

26. Torches. No shit. n/t

[tom_paine]

6. Notice the apathetic approval of our State-Controlled Media

Just the beginning of the pushing of the envelope on what is "permissible" to do to Enemies of the State.

Even if it doesn't move at the speed of what it did in Germany (different countries, different customs) it will continue if this Amerikan Fuhrer Movement continues.

[Nay]

8. Gosh, isn't it convenient how they all miss the point of the display?

This display SUPPORTS the troops--it says that Bush is killing them for no reason. How can ANYONE exept a deluded ninny conclude it means anything else?? It's a slam against BUSH -- not the soldiers. I swear, there is no hope if people are this blind, this stupid, and this stuck on Bush.

[ComerPerro]

9. I think that's why they are so angry

These people don't give a shit about the troops.

[yankeedem]

10. What idiot freeper "neighbors"

"I'm outraged," neighbor Marque Cohen told the Sacramento Bee. "We have our men and women in uniform that are dying to protect our rights and I think it's a disgrace that somebody would be allowed to hang a U.S. soldier in effigy in front of their house."

Got Constitution? ALLOWED to hang a US soldier in effigy? Hello!

Move America Forward, if you remember, is the Neocon funded front group who protested Fahrenheit 9-11 last summer.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Move_America_Forward

[d_b]

11. Now our soldiers are dying in Iraq to protect our rights?

You learn all sorts of neat things from these characters.

[oldfogey]

12. It is unfortunate

that the protesters seem to be confused about the statement. I am conflicted about whether I believe we were truly deceived or Bush was poorly informed. It seems his administration exaggerated a possible threat. It is fact that Iraq was given information about weapons by our govt. a while back. Was it wrong for them to believe Saddam was using the knowledge considering the fact that he would not cooperate fully with weapons inspectors? I am not saying Bush was right, I am just saying it is possible they truly believed their fears were fact. Can you blame them for pushing an agenda if all of the signs led them to believe that their suspicions were fact? I don't fully trust them and wish there was a way we could really know if they believed the WMD's existed or if they just duped us into thinking going to Iraq was necessary. We know they don't exist now, but did they know it all along?

[shadowknows69]

13. does anyone have an email or contact address?

for this couple? We should all show them our support.

[Disturbed]

14. Did you just arrive on this planet a few days ago?

"Saddam Hussein has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."
Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001

"We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
Condoleeza Rice, April 2001

[oldfogey]

17. When you've got a whole country

of desert to hide things underground in I think it may be possible there were things intelligence could have missed at that point. Sorry, but I never fully trust statements of that nature, something can always be occurring in secret if there are dedicated individuals. We know now there weren't.

[PA Democrat]

25. So you think that a pre-emptive war based on 'maybes' and 'could haves'

is OK? Even considering the fact that there were weapons inspectors on the ground?

So, should we invade Iran? They 'might' have weapons that they 'might' want to use against us.

How about Pakistan? They DEFINITELY have nukes and also have a large population of people sympathetic to bin Laden and al Qaeda.

And don't forget North Korea, they have nukes and a crazy leader who tortures his people. Bet he even has some "rape rooms".

Where does it end?

[oldfogey]

29. No. We should negotiate with Iran

as we have been doing. I think it was a wise idea to get other countries involved this time in the process before anything does happen. Maybe their people can serve as witnesses to what transpired and this time any lies we are fed may be exposed.

[magellan]

45. The lies were exposed last time

Niger yellowcake. Aluminum tubes. "Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program." This was all discounted by experts before we invaded.

Facts don't matter. Exposing lies doesn't matter. What matters is what BushCo wants its sycophants to believe. And they have shown they'll believe whatever they're told.

[LynnTheDem]

49. Either bush is the biggest stupidest FOOL on this planet, or he's the

biggest, stupidest LIAR.

Take your pick, coz them be the only 2 possibilities.

The vast majority of the entire world knew his "wmd" and "threat" were total bullshit.

Hell, even the majority of AMERICANS right before bush's invasion said bush had NOT made his case for war.

USATODAY.com - Poll: Bush hasn't made case for Iraq war

More than two-thirds of Americans believe the Bush administration has failed to make its case that a war against Iraq is justified

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-iraq-poll_x.htm

Poll: Support For a War With Iraq Weakens Among Americans

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

http://middleeastinfo.org/article1795.html

The majority (62%) of Americans even knew the threat from terrorism would INCREASE if bush attacked Iraq.

Nope, most Americans always knew, and the anti-Iraq-invasionists were ALWAYS a MAJORITY even in America; but that "librul media" didn't let facts stand in their way!

[Just Me]

15. I knew months before the Iraq war that the administration was lying,...

,...about the WMDs and simply engaging in war propaganda in order to pursue their agenda to control the Middle East and her resources. Iraq was NOT a threat to the U.S. and the Bush administration knew that fact.

Check out this administration's intentions at www.pnac.info

I would also suggest that you do a bit of reading concerning the state of Iraq (which was extremely weakened and contained) prior to this administration's march to war. Iraq was taken because it was sufficiently weak to be taken by the war-profiteers.

[oldfogey]

18. Then why am I still paying

over 2 bucks a gallon for gas?:shrug:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

22. No one gives a shit about what the public pays for gas. Look at the

Petrol profits for the last fiscal quarter. They kicked ass.

THAT's the important number to this misadministration.

[Selatius]

23. It's not necessarily about gas; Halliburton doesn't care what you pay

It is about power and control. Oil is only one component of that equation. Who in the White House gives a damn what you pay at the pump? The simple fact is they've made billions on this war already in no-bid contracts and such. You think Dick Cheney worries if gas prices are above 2.00? Hell no. He and his buddies have made enough money on this war so that their family heirs can live in luxury for generations.

[Jamastiene]

41. I know. It is odd,

isn't it? Usually, they raise the prices for petro when a dem is in office and they want to help the repug win the election. It's happened a lot in our recent history. Now, they don't even seem to care. They are just raising the prices at their leisure. I guess it's because they have complete and total control now and they know it. And they wonder why we hate their policies. I can just picture Eddie Izzard with his fingers in his ears when he was describing Thatcher's administration. "For years, England had a right wing government that just went "lalalala, we can't hear you". He could do a great stand up routine for America. I'd love that.

[LynnTheDem]

48. 1. WHY on earth do you think the gas corps would pass savings down to YOU?

2. In case ya haven't heard, the gas pipelines in Iraq go KABOOM every day from being blown up by Iraqis who know damn well what America is after in their country.

3. It isn't about getting the oil for us; it's about PREVENTING OTHERS (China in particular) from getting the oil.

4. How about that US National Energy Policy, where it says we will secure "US INTERESTS" -gee, in an ENERGY POLICY I wonder what "INTERESTS" that would be- with US Military force if necessary.

5. What a coinky-dink that most the entire bushCabal are from oil.

6. And what a coinky-dink that a bunch of the bushCabal signed a letter to Clinton demanding we attack Iraq & secure their oil.

NAHHHHHHHHHH, couldn't be about oil!

:eyes:

[PaulaFarrell]

16. yep, they knew all along n/t

[oldfogey]

19. I'm not the kind of person

who likes to judge unless I am confident that I have all the facts. I saw room for doubt concerning this issue.

[Bridget Burke]

20. Bush IS the "kind of person who likes to judge"....

He & his associates started an illegal war, killing thousands, without getting the facts. People all over the world thought Iraq's WMD were gone--& we were right.

Perhaps Bush went too far in Iraq to make up for the many warnings he'd received about an impending terrorist attack on American soil. Those warnings were ignored--although the result was quite useful for the Bush regime.

[PaulaFarrell]

44. I don't think there's any room for doubt

The UN inspectors said there was only the remotest chance of there being anything there, and please could they continue inspections - but Bush didn't want that to happen. Why? He knew there was nothing there. If Bsuh had said he strongly suspected there was something there, then maybe there'd be rooom for doubt. But he, and his people, said over and over and over again that there were DEFINITELY weapons. You just cannot be that wrong, unless you're lying.

[PowerToThePeople]

47. In case you miss it

Welcome..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3127873&mesg_id=3135116&page=

[LynnTheDem]

50. "room for doubt"; so let's just kick out the UN weapons inspectors and

rush in our troops without enough rifles and ammo and body armor and nightvision scopes and food and water and equipment-repairs parts to invade & occupy a nation that had been doing nothing whatsoever to anyone, that had made no threats whatsoever to anyone, and slaughter 100,000+ Iraqis.

Of course we did have all the facts, which is why the majority of Americans and the very vast majority of the entire world said NO to bush's illegal and Hitleresque supreme crime war of aggression.

And gee...look who was correct.

Hint: it wasn't the fringe minority bushCabal & their rightwingnut ignorant morans.

[Toots]

21. They have changed their story several times

Now it was not because of WMDs that they invaded but to Liberate the Iraqis. They changed their story from Iraq was in partnership with Al Qaeda to We are spreading Democracy. Apparently we will continue to "Spread Democracy" until no Iraqis are left alive. Can I blame them for distorting intelligence in the beginning and rushing the US to war when virtually every country in the world wanted to approach this at a slower and more reasoned pace. Yes I can and do very much blame this Administration for the atrocities being committed in our name on a daily basis. They are LIARS of the highest order and need to be held accountable.

[Stirk]

24. Oh, give me a fucking break.

If you really think the Bush team invaded Iraq because of WMD, you're too damned gullible to argue with.

Remember the 13,000 pages of documentation that Iraqi government released before the invasion, attempting to do the impossible and "prove they did not have WMD"? The Bush Administration had 8,000 of those pages hidden from the public, and they pushed ahead with the invasion.

How about Wolfowitz' admission that they only chose WMD as the selling point for "beauracratic reasons"?

Or Powell and Rice's statements in early '91 that Iraq had been completely disarmed and that they posed no threat?

Please. They knew that country was disarmed, and they did not invade for WMD. They invaded to gain a tactical foothold in the region and to seize control of Iraq's oil.

[oldfogey]

30. Sorry, but I have been out of the loop.

Perhaps missing some of these events has caused my doubts. I am sure that as I catch up on everything I will be more comfortable with the knowledge that we were lied to. Some of the things mentioned are already leading me to question why I doubted this at all.

[EST]

31. Please don't take this as attack, because it is NOT.

For my enlightenment (and, I suspect, that of a few others,) could you shed some light on how you managed to miss some of these issues? This might help me understand how it can possibly be that so many in this country have done so. I wasn't paying a huge lot of attention until about four years ago, so I found that my inattention had prejudiced me toward an understanding that, in the light of more thorough study, proved to be woefully inaccurate. Thanks in advance for your help.

[oldfogey]

34. I do not

wish to get into private details here, but my responsibilities and problems that have occurred with my family have forced me to be more involved in my private world for a while now. I didn't really overlook anything, I just haven't been keeping up at all because of more pressing issues in my personal life.

[EST]

35. S'okay.

[ultraist]

37. We have NO knowledge that Bush was telling the truth

I generally don't give a proven liar the benefit of the doubt, why are you?

[oldfogey]

39. I want closure

on this issue but would feel more comfortable about my opinion if I was better educated about the facts. I am trying to catch up on quite a bit of info right now but when I'm through it all I will have no problem blaming him.

[LynnTheDem]

51. Could you do it this way; may be easier, lol! What are the "facts" as you

are aware of them?

If you could list what you believe(d), then we could work from that to fill you in on whatever you've missed.

For example, I had one person who thought WMD had been found in Iraq, he was talking about the shells dug up by Polish troops. He'd missed the articles afterwards all saying oops another oopsie, no WMD in the shells.

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[Stirk]

43. I apologize for my rude response.

To be honest, your post made me think of my Fox News brainwashed sister-in-law, and I suspected you might be one of those visiting Rush Limbaugh fans.

Sorry about the outburst. I hope you stick around.

[Sterling]

53. Great response!!!!

Welcome to DU.

[AlCzervik]

27. Bush cherry picked intel then it was given to the congress

lied, sin of omission, call it what you like but to me it was a lie. Weapons inspectors were there, remember seeing them on the news crushing missiles?

[Sterling]

52. Yes they knew.

We all knew, welcome to DU

Read the project for the new American century when you find the time.

[ragin_acadian]

32. does anyone else think this news release and its content

is rather convenient?

either the reporters and their camera crews camped in front of this house for days, waiting for the "scoop" -------doubtful, indeed. reporters do not like hard work, they like to cut and paste from the AP & Reuters. they whine when they have to travel somewhere to do a story, they like perfect direction from a controlling editor that dictates exactly how the story should be prepared, processed and reported, then they don't have to get creative when they do the voiceovers on their packages. trust me, i've worked with the sorry bastards. camera crews are even worse, they get paid by the hour (minimum wage) and station directors do not like to pay them one cent over their 10:00 to 1:00, then 4:00 to 7:00 then 8:45 to 10:45 work schedule. it cuts into the station's budget.

more than likely, this was a staged event, or a creatively re-created version of an eyewitness report of what happened at X's house, brought to you by trustworthy X reporter, and sponsered by X, X, and X advertisers. trustworthy eyewitnesses and participants abound, as you can see, satisfying the who, what, where, when, but not how.

[EST]

36. Hmmmm

Now that makes sense.

[ultraist]

38. It was staged, the prowar freaks called the press and told them when

to show up so they would get coverage. It was not by accident, it was choreographed.

[ragin_acadian]

40. actually, i was thinking that it was a fox affiliate

so fox probably staged it!

consume or the terrorists win + an industry financed by consumption......too coincidental.

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[No Exit]

42. The truth hurts! Each and every one of those vandals/neighbors is

GUILTY of promoting the death of MORE of our service members!

Let's send the couple some RECRUITMENT FORMS for them to pass out among these chickenshit "protesters". They want a fight, good! Let THEM go to Iraq!

[PowerToThePeople]

46. Hi oldfogey

:wave:

Welcome to DU!!

I can see how someone may have been "out of the loop" as you say. With me, the day * got put I office by the SCOTUS I knew we would be back in Iraq. Then, after the Towers, I followed news like a full time job. Got into major depressive state for a couple of years, where I did nothing but basic survival and read about world events and listened to NPR. I saw it all coming and nothing that has happened has been a surprise at all. I did hope that Colin Powell would be a voice of reason, but he ended up letting me down.

I am glad to see some Boxer style dems finally nutting it up and beginning to call out this regime.

If you really have been out of it for so long, it will take a LONG time to get back up to date. I suggest the following:

Listen to NPR news
Listen to Air American radio (through net if not on airwaves)
DemocracyNOW.org (they have archives you can listen to)

Then just browse these boards and read for a while. Always best to get as much knowledge as possible.

Hope you enjoy your time here at DU.