Did Lieberman really say this?!?

[chiburb]

Senator Lieberman said of Iraq, "This is a battle in the war on terrorism. Failure and defeat is not an option." (From last night's debate.)

Isn't that Bushco's new rationale for Iraq? Isn't that the new RNC talking point?

I haven't participated in any of the candidate-bashing threads, and I realize that there aren't many Lieberman supporters here. But... doesn't a line like this HURT ALL DEMS, and especially the eventual nominee?

It makes me wonder if the DLC didn't co-author PNAC.

[ixion]

1. I've tried to refrain from candidate bashing threads as well...

but LIEberman does more to hurt the dems, than to help.

[DrWeird]

2. Oh, people who say bad things about Joe are just antisemitic.

Lieberman is a good and very liberal democrat. So stop saying that.

[elfwitch]

4. Anti-Semitic?

He doesn't just make it hard for Dems.
He makes it hard for Jews too.

I, as a Jew, don't like having him represent us.
It makes people think we are all like that.
We aren't!

[sangh0]

5. Not true

But if you said that Joe said that because he's Jewish, that would be anti-Semitic.

Lieberman says those things because he's an ass.

[elfwitch]

8. Jewish Joe

Nope, never claimed that he said that because he's Jewish.
My point is that because he is an ass, everyone begins to believe that the rest of us are too.

[sangh0]

13. I was responding to Dr Weird

and his comment about how some say that criticizing Joe = anti-semitism.

And though you haven't, some people around here have made Joe's "Jewishness" into a political issue. Just the other day someone started a thread asking if Joe was a "real" Jew.

And the people who think all Jews are like Joe are the same anti-semitic asses that think Joe's an ass because he's Jewish. You can't win with those folks.

[DIKB]

9. Not Anti-semitic

that is an outrageous assumption, anyone who speaks out against him is anti-semitic ?? That's like saying if I get BAD SERVICE at a restaurant, I can't complain b/c my waiter is Mexican or African-American, THAT WOULD BE RACIST. I say BULLSHIT !!!!!!!

I don't support Lieberman for a number of reasons, do I hate him, NO. I just refuse to support him. His Authoritarion stance on pop-culture, as well as his support of Bush have made him A BAD CANDIDATE for president. This has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

My political stance is affected by my views on religion, IT'S WHY I'M NOT A REPUKE !!!!!!! I hate those Fundamentalist CHRISTIANS with every inch of my black little heart.

[VermontDem2004]

10. I think the poster you were replying too

was being sarcastic. But that is just what I thought.

[cprise]

3. No one will criticize him for it either

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[11cents]

6. Excuse me?

People criticize Lieberman here constantly, and usually deservedly. And has anyone said that such criticisms are antisemitic?

[StandWatie]

12. sometimes..

It's just a coincidence of course that the only people who say this are DLC style neo-liberals who like Joe's "pro-business" bullshit.

[Tracer]

7. Sheesh.

Doesn't anyone here recognize a Bob Boudelangism when they see one?

[11cents]

11. We recognize the boudelanging

... but the implied point of it is simply untrue. People criticize Lieberman all the time, and they're rarely called antisemitic for doing so.

[dfong63]

14. rarely is still too often

People criticize Lieberman all the time, and they're rarely called antisemitic for doing so.

rarely is still too often.

[chiburb]

15. I'm sorry I asked...

Other than the 1st reply, and a tongue-in-cheek 2nd reply, this thread turned into NOTHING TO DO with the original post.

[damnraddem]

16. Candidate-bashing threads?

How about a little honest criticism of those who claim to be on 'our side'? Lieberman is an embarrassment to the Party. On the other hand, his remarks were apparently not as damaging as I feared they might get. Oh well, he may make up for that in future.

[chiburb]

18. Maybe they weren't damaging last night..

But I could see Rove taking notes and chuckling...

[JDStutts]

17. I have been supporting Howard over Dennis lately but...

Lieberman's comments don't sound a lot different from what Dean said last night "This was a mistake this war, and the president got us into it, and now we're going to have to get out of it"

He also added that walking away now would leave the United States facing a greater threat of terrorism than when Saddam Hussein was president.

Dennis did better than Howard last night.

[chiburb]

20. How is this anything like what Dean said?

Lieberman is saying that this is the "Central Front" (whatever the fuck that means) and we can't leave 'till we win. Jeez, that is something Shrub would say, isn't it?

[JDStutts]

21. Howard should have said "now it is time to get out of Iraq"

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2003/07/30/news/regional/aa47f9fa837f4d0d86256d73000d3a16.txt

The postwar is a mess, Dean contended, because in the lead-up to the war Bush "humiliated" and alienated traditional U.S. allies. Dean said the United Nations should be handling more duties in Iraq and U.S. troops should pull out.

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6 WEEKS AGO DEAN SAID US TROOPS SHOULD PULL OUT <****edited 6 weeks instead of 2 weeks****>

Last night he said the war is wrong so let's continue it. It is hypocrisy at its finest and it leaves me with a foul taste in my mouth.

I don't expect Dean to do everything I want, but he didn't get to be the front runner by being wishy washy on Iraq. I switched from Dennis to Howard because Dean was saying the right stuff about Iraq and Dennis looked to be going nowhere.

Dean has been doing lots of stuff right. He has successfully gaged where he needs to be to win the nomination. He has his pulse on the Party. When he wins the nomination then he can move to the center to win the Presidency...Perhaps since the debate was on Faux he thought he might pick up some of the center early. That is not how the game is played.

Dean is trying to moderate his views before the primary. That is a dumb move because voters like myself who think Peace is the most important issue will walk away from Dean if he starts sounding like Bush-lite. I think Dean walked away from the debate a weaker candidate, and Dean is not so strong that he can afford to move to the center before the primary votes are counted.

[DIKB]

19. pretty sure he said it

although no one can be faulted for having a pro or anti stance on the Iraq quagmire. There isn't any clear cut answer.

Pro: We have to support our troops and keep Iraq from becoming a Theocracy.

Anti: We shouldn't be going it alone, nor should we be in control of the rebuilding.

A better question would have been to ask what each candidate's plan was to deal with the Iraq situation. But they had only 45 seconds, and FAUX news was asking the questions