So the DJ on SIRIUS satellite dropped an F-Bomb this morning

[trumad]

which completely caught me, my 7 and 11 year old boys by surprise. I forget which channel is was, (maybe 114) but we listen to it all the time while driving to school. I'm teaching my kids the beauty of old school music and they dig it. Joe Walsh, the Police, the Cars, Boston, etc.

Well anyway, the DJ who pretty much informs you who's playing, etc. dropped the F-Bomb (Fuck) while discussing some topic.

Now listen, I ain't a prude and I know my kids will hear the word off and on and eventually start using it.... BUT...I kind of want to keep them from hearing and using the upper echelon cuss words as long as possible.

I know when Stern gets on SIRIUS he'll be cussing up a storm and believe me, I look forward to that.. BUT, I ain't gonna have him on while I drive my kids to school. For that matter, I don't even have him on now during the drive.

The point is: I understand that Satellite is the future of radio, and I love that it's unregulated by the FCC, BUT...keep the F-Bombs and words like it on the channels that I know they'll be used in and keep them out of the music only channels. If parents are listening to the music with their kids and they hear that type of cursing, I can pretty much guarantee that they'll turn it off. Does SIRIUS want that to happen? I think not.

[ixion]

1. it's just a word...

and the beautiful thing about satellite radio is that it's unregulated by the FCC, as you mentioned.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. If you're teaching your kids about classic rock, you should include a course on swearing and when to use it. ;-)

Just my two cents.

[trumad]

3. Well then with that standard, anything goes...

I can't wait untill the DJ uses the word Cunt. My 7 ear old says Daddy, what's a cunt?

[still_one]

7. and what would you say

you would explain that is a vulgar way to refer to a woman's genitals

are you that much afraid to talk about sex with your kids?

perhaps you are a prude

[seabeyond]

perhaps you are a prude

bah hahahah. told you so. lol lol

hey got to define a pimp to my 9 year old yesterday,. the selling of a human being to another for sexual acts. was joy, pure joy to give this to a child that has no interest in this just yet, except a society that wants children to live in an adult world at 5

right

prude? how about responsible parenting and going along with a childs developmental age instead of our adults societies developmental age.

[trumad]

24. God what a dumb reply

My kids 7 fucking years old. What you're saying is that it's OK if he hears the word....WTF

[ixion]

34. if you don't like it

change the channel.

As someone who doesn't have children, I personally get kind of tired at having to create the world around people who do.

Having and Raising children is a choice you make, and doesn't really give a person the right to dictate what all those without children listen to, IMO.

[seabeyond]

37. fuck the children,.........i hear ya

right on brother?/sister? you rock

[datasuspect]

43. well,

children have parents. parents should do the parenting. don't expect the world (which really is a brutal place) to become child safe so that little precious doesn't have to hear something "unseemly."

i don't have kids. i sure as hell have no problem with coarse fucking language.

hell, i'd say the airwaves and the content therein were more liberated 30 years ago.

the media, broadcasters, other people should not be expected to join in the parenting game just because many people CHOOSE to have children.

if i wanted kids, i'd go knock somebody up.

[seabeyond]

45. we know, fuck em

i mean, sending them to die in iraq, aborting them at whim of a hat, not feeding, shelting or taking care of medical needs, all tv trash, all radio trash,..........no money for schools, medicate them, parents have to work two jobs and dont see them anyway or parent them..........

fuck em.

i am agreeing with you. what do we care
besides they make noise in restaurants, bah hahahahah. i am so funny

[datasuspect]

46. i'm not sure i'm getting you

but i am saying that not everyone wants to live in a rated g world.

where it concerns feeding, sheltering, medical needs, yes, people without means definitely need support.

but don't go driving around listening to classic rock (which is predicated on all manner of sex and drugs) with the younguns and expect sympathy because they heard the FUCK on UNREGULATED SATELLITE RADIO!!!!!!!!!!

holy fucking shit!

[seabeyond]

56. g rated my ass, where is this illusional g rated world you talk

the best a parent can hope for is pg, most of it is at least r. lets me know you arent a parent and dont know what you are talking about

would the g world be animal planet a kids show, with a commercial thrown in of a woman having an orgasim in the shower and a man spitting out his mouth wash on the mirror

or the family movie on the family station where denteyne had a young teenage girl strip in front of parents, throwing her shirt off onto fathers head, as she mounted her boyfriend

could it be the cartoon channel where a marylyn look a like has her dress go up in air, showing panties and having a coy innocent sexual look

tell me about this g rated world you are just surrounded in

[datasuspect]

79. i guess if that stuff bothers you

maybe you need to be living in an amish colony.

still, i understand your point, but i don't remember as much repression even 30 years ago as there is now.

best "damn" sports show period changed to

best "darn" sports show period.

stuff like that.

granted my words possibly do betray that i am not a parent, but since you are a parent, it is YOUR responsibility to raise YOUR children that you CHOSE to have in a manner YOU see fit. not the rest of the world.

and no, i don't want to hear children pissing and moaning and crying in a movie theater either. or in a restaurant.

that's all fine and dandy.

[datasuspect]

9. yeah, the whole classic rock thing

to properly contextualize classic rock not only requires profanity, but possibly courses on sex and drugs as well. still, i could understand a parent being concerned about what goes in their kids ears.

but the p.d. or jock on that satellite station realizes that his target demo DOES NOT include significant numbers of children. this is true for AOR/classic rock/talk shows/hard rock formats - they are appealing to a 18-35 male audience.

do they not have children-oriented (safe) programming? is another question i have to ask myself.

[ixion]

36. exactly

that's what it's all about. :smoke: :beer: :party:

[seabeyond]

2. wrong forum trumad, you are a prude

dontcha know, we want our kids to learn this stuff at the earliest of age, so they can be free free free i tell you in all their sexuality at age 5

lol

hey.........children seem to be an irritant here, and cut into adults lives messing with what we want, stopping us from getting all we want whenever we want, without a thought to younger generation

not a chance i let my children listen to the radio. not with some of the crap i have heard in the past. but.........i too am getting kids into oldies. is fun. thru cd

[trumad]

4. Well... It's the music channel

and it plays great music. I wish the SIRIUS didn't have any DJ's. Brighthouse networks, my cable provider, has a great selection of music from channel 410-480. No DJ's... It's great.

[tx_dem41]

49. I am glad it has DJs.

Its Sirius RADIO. Not Sirius jukebox. I frequent a lot of different channels, and I get a lot of info about new music I am listening to from the DJs.

[Wheaty]

65. yeah me too!

If I didn't want to hear the DJ's and their unique information, I'd use an Ipod.

The DJ's are what make Satellite Radio RADIO!

[caligirl]

54. see post below

[still_one]

5. 114 is bbc world

if it was an accident then that is all it was. It is not the end of the world

my kid knows the words, and doesn't use them. I do not censor things from her, but everyone has to decide how to raise their own kids

As far as parents listening to the music with their kids, much of the music the kids buy today has the words you don't like

satellite radio is pay radio, it is NOT public air waves, and if you are concerned about the language don't listen to it

[truebrit71]

6. Have they never heard that word before?

The whole point of satellite radio is to be without FCC interference and censorship...I can see your point about it being a little unexpected but the Police used profanity in their songs, as did many others...do you want those words to be bleeped out too?

I have a sneaking hunch that your 7 and 11 year olds have heard that word, and many varied different uses of it, well before today...

[Az]

8. Why enpower the word beyond need

The word has no power unless you give it power. I really don't understand why our society can't get beyond this. I respect your right to raise your kids as you wish to and would personally respect your restrictions in their presense. But I feel you are just enpowering the word further for them by making it so restrictive.

When people want to express strong emotions they are going to go to words that have impact. Take the impact away and they won't go for that word.

[theboss]

11. Hasn't the word pretty much been empowered without anyone's efforts?

If the kid said the word in school, I doubt the principla would accept the "don't empower the word" argument.

[Az]

15. True

But do we carefully walk within the lines drawn by society? Or do we work to determine our own personal sense of right and wrong.

[theboss]

39. I'm a lawyer who reviews contracts; what do you think my answer is?

n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Sorry, user beware.

1) You're completely kidding yourself if you think your kids have never heard the f-word before. They do, constantly, and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop it.

2) You bought satellite radio knowing this could happen. If you wanted to teach classic rock without worrying, there's got to be a local FM classic rock channel.

3) You can try to shelter your kids from swears, or anything for that matter, or you can teach them how to deal with it.

I know parents have this overwhelming urge to put their kids in a nice padded box that will keep them from all forms of harm, but the padded box itself sometimes works out to be nothing more than a coffin. Teach your kids to think for themselves and there will be no problems.

[Pirate Smile]

14. Damn, that picture of Darth Vader makes me wince no matter how many

times I see it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. hehehehe, I know, it's great.

:evilgrin:

[Pirate Smile]

12. As a person with little kids, I agree with you Trumad. I don't think you

are being a prude, you are being a parent.

[Az]

13. Further thought Re: Rock and Roll

Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll baby! Rock is not a well behaved member of our society. It is explosive and expansive. Expecting its proponents to be well behaved is perhaps a pipe dream.

[KharmaTrain]

17. Vote With Your Dial & Checkbook

Broadcast airwaves, in theory, are free & open and public...someone being "profane" (I think promoting war is more profane than any f-bomb), is like them swearing in the town square...and that's the reason the FCC uses to play morality cop and censor.

When you buy your XM or Sirius, you're purposely buying not only the radio, but a service as well...you're not a listener, you're a subscriber.

If you're offended you have two options. One is not to listen to that station (and if you're even more upset, contact Sirius with your concerns...could be the program you heard wasn't even theirs but provided by a third party broadcaster). The second is to call and either cancel or threaten to cancel your subscription...that means far more to Sirius folks that content or being offended.

The marketplace has and always will be the best censor and "arbiter" of taste.

[CBGLuthier]

18. Had a sinilar experience this morning

On FM radio. Taking kids to school. One station, the DJ says they were going to talk about sex. So I changed to another station where I heard a character talking about big voluminous breast.

So I changed to the "oldies" station and took the kids to school.

I guess my point is, there are lot's of stations and my radio has buttons. If a station isn't kid friendly then find another station for the commute or listen to CDs.

Or try talking to your kids instead of listening to the radio. :-)

[Wheaty]

19. It's Very Simple!

Channel 11 Kids Stuff and Channel 130 Radio Disney are the only channels on Sirius that are guaranteed kid safe.

If you don't want to risk you kids hearing the F bomb on Sirius then you either tune those two channels in or turn off Sirius and turn on the FCC regulated stuff.

Satellite radio is about as much for kids as HBO is as far as I'm concerned

[Lex]

21. When I have my 9 year old nephew with me in the car

we listen to the Kids Stuff Channel and have a great time singing the songs, etc.

If he heard the F-bomb on one of the other Sirius channels, it's probably no different than what he occasionally hears at school or at home, so I myself wouldn't sweat it.

[trumad]

25. I really don't

seriously I don't....

But what if the DJ uses it every other word, or uses other words that are eqaully offnesive. where do you draw the line? Again, this is the music channel of SIRIUS. not Howard Stern.

[Lex]

26. The way you described it, it seemed like an occasional

thing. Then you said "what if the DJ uses it every other word" -- but that wouldn't be the same scenario as what you experienced, right?

Certainly if a DJ used it every other word, I'd be changing the channel.

I've been listening to Sirius for months now and on none of the channels I listen to (mostly rock and pop channels) have I heard a DJ use the F-bomb on every other word.

[trumad]

28. to be fair, it is occasional

and that's why it caught me and the kids by surprise. But I still gotta ask, is there a line to be drawn or is it anything goes? Will it become more prevalent and if so, on all channels?

[verdalaven]

78. Those who cuss most

have the least to say.

I didn't censor much from my daughter, I just told her that people who lack general intelligence and verbal skills tend to fill in the blanks with bad words, sort of like when someone has to "uh, duh, uh" in between sentences. Sometimes she hears those bad words from me, which is probably why she doesn't think much of my intelligence level at this point (she is 15).

It is hard to shield our kids from the R-rated stuff in this world, not just words, but violence and hatred too, but as parents we are their last line of defense and we have to at least try. If it really bothers you, you could use your tape player or CD player until they are older.

Good luck!

[trumad]

22. Some folks just aren't getting my point....

First off, it wasn't BBC.. It was up further, perhaps 122.

Second. Of course my kids have heard the word before... That's not my point. I listen to the channel because of the great music. Now that I know that they use the word fuck and other types of words, I won't listen to that channel with my kids in the car. I see that as unfortunate because they play great music and the kids love to listen to it. My hope is that the next channel we find and start to enjoy, keeps it a bit cleaner. My kids don't want to listen to Disney .. They want to listen to good music.

As a parent I just don't want to subject my kids to that type of language. What the fucks wrong with that?

Am I missing something here? Are some of the above posters saying that it's OK to subject your kids to inappropriate language?

[CornField]

27. You are paying for un-censored radio

If you want to ensure that your children do not hear questionable language than you should stick to the "kid safe" channels or turn it completely off.

Otherwise, I'm sure there are many censored oldie music stations available to you on your traditional "censored" FM dial.

[trumad]

30. I agree with that statement.

that's to bad though.

[Wheaty]

31. Oh I get your point...but

even the music is uncensored on Sirius. You'll get the f-bomb in the music too if the artist recorded it that way.

I like Sirius because they specifically do not censor the music. A DJ dropping the f word here and there doesn't bother me. But then again I'm not listening with kids.

As a whole I'd say Sirius subscribers like this or they wouldn't be subscribing.

I understand you'd like to listen with the kids, but I compare Sirius to HBO. Its a pay service geared more for adults.

HBO-Family is kid safe but you can get a rated R movie 24/7 on regular HBO. Would you sit your kids down in front of the TV and tune in regular HBO. Probably not, but you may tune in HBO-Family without worry.

[MsTryska]

20. Well Sirius is not under FCC Regulation, as you said....

so you ahve to take the good with the bad.


Just like if you're watching pay cable with your kids.

[trumad]

23. BUT is that a good businees decision for SIRIUS?

Is it a good business decision for a business to turn off listeners. Again..it's the music channel, not Howard Stern.

[MsTryska]

33. It's free enterprise.

you have the right to turn it off if you find it offensive.


there are plenty of people who will listen, and not care about the cusswords. sirius won't be hurting for cash, because they don't abide by FCC regulations.

[Marnieworld]

35. It's good business to provide a unique service

Things are censored everywhere and it's only getting worse. I think it's good business to provide an unfiltered service. It's refreshing and an alternative to the squeaky clean world we live in. Parents of small children are actually a minority with many other options so perhaps they aren't the target market. Sirius does give you choices and it's not the only option. You have FM and you also can just listen to CDs if you want your kids to hear "great music." Stop whining about a freakin word anyway.

[crispini]

40. AMEN.

The girls on Unfiltered were ranting about this just this morning. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN JAMES DOBSON'S WORLD!

[Marnieworld]

29. I have sirius too and not all channels have cursing

Some do though. Stay away from Shade 45 and raw dog but The Hits 1 always censors. You can stay safely within the first 20 channels I'm sure. Think of it like HBO. There's HBO Family and there is just regular HBO with Real Sex and Taxi Cab confessions. I just looked on their website and they don't have it separated by content (cursing or not). My suggestion to you is to listen to regular radio with the kids to be safe just like you would stay away from HBO after 10 with your kids. The world doesn't need to be rated G just because some people have kids.

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[Az]

38. Frankly I don't want to live in Barny's world

Yes there should be media and outlets geared for children and their parents. But I don't want my world tuned for kids. I want my world to be real and raw. Full of all the bumps and dips real life has in it. Some of reality kids are simply not prepared for. Thats why they have parents. Parents are supposed to filter the world for them till they are ready to be able to defend themself in this bumpy world.

Having kids is a responsibility. It ain't easy. There are worse things than F-bombs in the world. You have to shielf your kids from them or explain them to them. It is not the world's responsibility to tiptoe past the children.

[otohara]

41. The First Time I Heard It on Sirius

It took me by surprise and it was just tad weird hearing it on the radio.

When my kid was 7, I took him to movies that occassionaly said fuck in them. I said, if I ever hear you say that word - you won't get to go see movies like "speed" ever again, got that? It worked - but then he's a boy and didn't want to risk not being able to see action movies.

I would tell your kid to ignore it, not to repeat it and in order to hear decent music, you sometimes have to hear words you don't like. Or change the channel.

[not systems]

42. I love that they talk like real people not Sunday school rejects...

real people swear.

I just hope you never listen to Shade45.

Stick to the safe kids channels or get used to the fact
that you kids are going to hear swearing and will
eventually swear themselves, probably soon than you
expect. They will learn it from other kids, babysitters,
and over hearing you when you don't think they are listening.

[Zenaholic]

44. If Chenney can say it on the Senate floor...

..then why not a DJ on a subscription broadcast? I don't see the problem.

In reality though: I have to agree with a previous post, Sattelite Radio is about as much for kids as HBO. Aren't there some regular FM stations you could listen to?

:nopity:

[SheepyMcSheepster]

47. so, you pay for a service you do not like?

that seems to be the problem.
cancel your sirius account.
just because you believe it should be suitable for children does not mean they do.
obviously you disagree with the guidelines sirius radio has set.
i would write them and let them know how you feel and tell them that you are going to cancel uness they make changes.
they may say "fine, please cancel we are not changing our guidelines" or they may say "yes we have thought about changing our guidelines, will will consider your complaint".

[Blue_Roses]

48. "old school music"

God, I hope I'm not that old. I love these groups and add a little Lynard Skynard, Pink Floyd to the group. I remember listening to Boston like it was yesterday...those were good times:D:

"old" ...please say it ain't so...:cry:

[retread]

50. Here we go again! Let's just aim ALL forms of entertainment at 7 year

children. I'm sure Bush and his new attorney-general will be more than happy to take on the task!

[cally]

51. I believe parents deserve information so they

can make informed decisions on what to expose their kids to. You listen to this station and decided it was a good choice for you and your kids. Unexpectedly, the DJ uses words you don't want your kids to think are normal discourse. It's not that they haven't heard fuck but it's that you don't want your kids to think it's acceptable language. I think the DJ was wrong and I think you should let Sirius know. It's one thing to ask for censorship, but it's another to ask for information and consistency in programming so you can choose what is appropriate. I expect Sirius would be concerned as business folks if every one of their stations was considered off limits to a large segment of society.

I still remember watching cartoons with my young kids and a teaser came on for the nightly news. It was something about forced anal sex and my then 4 asked me about it. I had to explain what it meant to a 4 year old. I never watched the news around my young kids and I found it outrageous that this was aired during a cartoon show.

[Wheaty]

52. Sure, but the information is there

Sirius Satellite Radio only guarantees The Disney Channel and Kids Stuff as child safe.

Even though 98% of the time another channel may be okay for kids they don't guarantee them to be kid safe.

It's all in the terms of service.

e) Parental Control. Some programming may include explicit language. It is your responsibility to impose listening restrictions that you consider appropriate on your family members and guests as you feel appropriate. We are not responsible for content that you or anyone else may find inappropriate. Please contact Customer Care to discuss options for channel blocking.

http://sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1019257316747

[sendero]

53. Fuck..

.... fuck fuck fuck fuck.

Don't let your kids on DU :)

Seriously, I hate these kinds of issues because I see both sides, and there is no clear easy answer. My boys are 12 & up now, I've long since stopped worrying about the words they hear, but at 7 things were different.

I guess you'll have to remove that station from your morning lineup.

[caligirl]

55. I have heard worse from kids at school. They hear it at home and

bring it to school. B est to arm your kids with information about this and what your beliefs are.

Something funny:

When my oldest(now 21) was 3 or four he heard one of us, or someone,
say the f word and he kept repeating it in stores and at home, especially when I would be talking to friends or neighbors I ran into at stores.
It took me two months to convince him he meant to say truck.

This was a very angelic looking kid with gorgeous strawberry blond curly hair and ivory skin.

[tx_dem41]

63. Not to pick a fight...

but why does it matter that he had strawberry blond curly hair and ivory skin??? I'm not sure how that makes him angelic looking either.

[Cleita]

57. An English teacher of mine explained the difference between

fornicate and fuck. Fuck appears in the "Canterbury Tales", written in Middle English or vernacular of the day derived from the Saxon and French languages. When the French speaking Normans invaded and conquered England, the Anglo-Saxon populations became the lower or vulgar classes and the Normans the elitist aristocrats. (Dern, they knew how to use forks!)

So the French words became socially acceptable and the Saxon words vulgar. Hence fornicate, swine, petard and manure became acceptable words that meant the same as fuck, pig, fart and shit (also in the Tales)but were deemed to be the vulgar language of the lower classes.

So you can see, there can be no language police, IMHO. To do so is to be elitist, exclusive and well just plain Republican.

[caligirl]

59. I love how this comes right back to bush,umm. thats Repug, funny.

[seabeyond]

60. i love it

i happened to live in my own whole world of cussing and children, personally. this is interesting. my intellectual, historically driven 9 year old will appreciate this., we happen to be doing the topic of cussing in this house. the embracing without judging and not doing cause they simply arent of age. 18 is theirs to do or not to do.

[Cleita]

62. I try to take into consideration social conventions myself

so I'm sure it's okay to teach them to use words with discretion and so-called cuss words are no exceptions. The important thing for children to realize that words in themselves are not bad. If we understand where the word came from that should be no problem.

The racism and bigotry underlying the use of "bad" words is what bothers me because it leads to censorship and the people doing the censoring are amongst the most ignorant.

[tx_dem41]

64. So using four-letter words....

is a Democrat thing. Hmmm...you learn something new everyday on DU. :eyes:

[Cleita]

67. Four letter words, hmm. Let's see " love" comes to mind

among many other four letter words that bigots like to extol as virtues. Criticizing someone for the words they use is the oldest form of bigotry. Remember years back when the Oakland, California teachers wanted to include Ebonics in the curriculum, so that African American children, who had heard nothing but Ebonics at home, could transistion into proper English usage? Well, the howls from the white establishment rang all the way to Mississippi and the halls of the KKK.

I remember how white people laughed at this notion. Now maybe the teachers intentions were good and maybe immersing children in the language they will use in their workaday lives is a better way to go. But, nobody brought this fact up. All the white folks could talk about was that they wanted to raise another generation of rappers and that was one of the kinder things they said.

[tx_dem41]

70. I only criticize people for the disrespect that they show others.

I couldn't care less about proper grammar. Using certain four letter words such as f**k or c**t is offensive to many people regardless of gender, ethnicity, creed, etc. So, nice try on trying to play the racial card.

[Cleita]

74. I'm not playing any cards. I am slamming them down.

As a Hispanic I know what racism is. Also, on this note, in Latin America vulgar words about sex and bodily functions are taken from the languages of the local indigenous populations. Does it sound familiar? The conquerors, who are Spanish speaking, subjugate a native population and use words from their language as vulgarisms. Tsk, tsk.

I agree with you about discretion around the people you are socializing with. As an agnostic, I don't say anything around people who talk about Jesus as if he were standing in the room with you out of respect for their beliefs as long as they aren't trying to make me worship him too.

However, I think to teach children that words in themselves are bad and are "swear" words is teaching them a lie. When did a word about a bodily function become confused with a "swear" word? I thought a swear word was something you said with your hand on a bible while taking an oath.

[tx_dem41]

75. We agree on more than you think.

But what about words like bitch and c**t which are often clearly used in a sexist manner?

[Cleita]

77. Yes, but again the word bitch is the misuse of a proper word

to describe a female dog and c**t is one of those Anglo-Saxon words again to describe vagina the so-called proper word. Yes, using words in a bigoted or sexist context to demean the person you are accusing is sexist. But I run across words used in a sexist context all the time by people who don't even realize that they are being sexist. That's how ingrained it is in our patriarchal society.

[giant_robot]

58. Write them a letter.

Explain it to them like you explained it to us. You're a paying subscriber, if they have any sense of customer service at all, they'll listen. If they don't, there's always XM.

[trumad]

68. Look...as an adult it's really no big deal...

I love SIRIUS and doubt seriously that I'll be returning to regular radio anytime soon. I guess what I'm getting at is a parent should have at least a heads up if salty language is going to be used on a channel you and your kids are listening to.

I know that Sterns going to be racy, so my kids don't listen to it. I didn't know that a DJ on a music channel would use salty language between songs. Now that I know, I have options. Unfortuantly the options on SIRIUS is only a couple of kids channels that play Barney songs all day.

It is my duty as a parent to raise my kids with the repect and honor required in a decent society. I let my kids know that cursing is something that occurs everyday in adult life. I'm just trying to teach them that it's not exceptable as a kid to curse.... It's a hard task especially when they hear grown ups dropping F-Bombs like it's no big deal.

[giant_robot]

73. Oh, I agree 100%. And I think you have a very reasonable stance

on this issue. That's why I think you'll get some satisfaction if you write sirius. If you just tell them, like you told, us, "Hey, give me a little heads-up for the sake of the kids," I think you'll get a positive response from them.

No need to feel like a prude. You're just doing your job as a parent, and you seem to be doing it quite well.

[Wheaty]

76. Sure it is reasonable.

I don't envy parents today trying to navigate this stuff. When I was a kid all we had was the local CBS affiliate on rabbit ears and a local AM station.

Trumad should write to Sirius, but what I've been saying here is that Sirius does give you this information right up front.

e) Parental Control. Some programming may include explicit language. It is your responsibility to impose listening restrictions that you consider appropriate on your family members and guests as you feel appropriate. We are not responsible for content that you or anyone else may find inappropriate. Please contact Customer Care to discuss options for channel blocking.
http://sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Page&cid=1019257316747

You would not expect to turn on HBO anytime of the day and let the kids watch it. Nor should you expect to turn on Sirius and expect that.

People seem to have the mistaken impression that Satellite radio is for the family, but don't hold satellite TV to the same standards.

As far as I can tell Sirius never pretended to be family safe. In fact some of its advertising seems specifically point out that it is uncensored.

[liberalpress]

61. Trumad, I too, am not a prude..

... in fact, I can indulge in cussin so well, many think I am an expert (In fact,if I am assembling or repairing a computer and my wife doesn't hear cussing, she comes to see if I've accidentally electrocuted my self).

I have also been in the broadcast business for 35 years. It's a shame it's come to this really. There used to be words one didn't use in mixed company. This was done out of respect for those who may not wish to hear them.

Respect for others today is as rare as good customer service or compassionate conservatism.

I still work in radio and always do as I was taught. To respect others. I think that may be the conversation to have with your kids.

Teach them respect, appropriateness, politeness. Then, perhaps, their generation will fare better than ours.

[tx_dem41]

66. Great post, liberalpress.

Too many people (liberal and otherwise) using four-letter words with the exercise of freedom of speech as if that is some cloak they can respectfully wrap around themselves.

Its not. As you say, in some situations its just pure disrespect.

[trumad]

69. I do...

Good point in your thread.. There are times when I cuss like crazy, it's usually when I'm out with my buddies. BUT, you won't catch me cussing in front of kids, at the work place, or in public around folks I don't know.

[tx_dem41]

71. Why you darned prude, you!

Don't you believe in free speech?!? ;-)

[cheezus]

72. It's important that you TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO CURSE!

I mean, you don't want them learning about sex on the playground, right? You gotta teach them how to swear too. Teach them that there's nothing wrong with the word itself, teach them how it relates to manners. Teach them when and where are and are NOT appropriate times to curse.

"keep them from hearing and using the upper echelon cuss words as long as possible" is like not giving your kids any sex ed. They going to find out about it anyway, but it's going to be illict and dirty and they arne't going to know what to do with it (other than follow the lead of their peers... do you really want that?). True, they aren't going to end up pregnant with herpes, but they could end up telling gramma to go fuck herself.