Why didn't Dennis Miller and Ahnold serve in Vietnam?

[Robin Hood]

I saw Miller on Leno last night sucking ass to Ahnold and the military etc.. Miller said that he was 50 years old. What I want to know is how come Miller and Ahnold didn't serve in Vietnam? They sure were old enough, and appear to be able bodied enough. So why didn't they serve?

[elfwitch]

1. Miller Time

I am so disappointed in Dennis.
I wonder what happened to him?
What drove him over the edge?

[VermontDem2004]

2. MNF?

I don't know? His peformance on MNF sucked, maybe that is what pushed him over the edge.

[Terwilliger]

3. I think it was 9/11

could have been his failed stint on Monday Night Football as well

[Robin Hood]

4. Don't be fooled, he was always like this.

It's just hip to be a fascist now. He is free to come out of the closet. But for being suck a freeper chickenhawk, how come no one asked where was he when he was old enough to go to Vietnam?

[ButterflyBlood]

5. Ahnold wasn't an American citizen at the time

n/t

[VermontDem2004]

7. He's right

Ahnold didn't become a US Citizen till 1983.

[HawkerHurricane]

13. Ahnold DID serve in the military

Austrian Army, in the tank corps.
I think he was the tank.

(Leaving out any Nazi joke, although several come to mind)

[Yupster]

34. Good one Hawker

got a laugh from me.

[Robin Hood]

9. What about all the illegal Mexicans who are promised citizenship

if they return from Iraq? Obviously, they don't care who serves, just get in there and do it.

[ikojo]

35. I thought people would be granted citizenship only if

they were killed in combat. Of course I could be wrong.

[TacticalPeek]

11. Citizenship is not required.

And back then, non-citizens were subject to the draft.

Citizenship status is unavailable as an excuse.

Chickens.

[ButterflyBlood]

14. did he even live in the US though?

either way it doesn't bother me, Ahnold's not calling for major war (he actually mocked Bush on the Tonight Show saying "the only weapons of mass destruction you'll find are in my new movie), and there's nothing wrong with draft dodging in that case.

[Robin Hood]

17. Just don't play hawk and never serve.

It's chickenshit.

[Bandit]

33. Are you sure about that? It would seem to violate international law

to draft a citizen of a foreign country into one of our wars. That is the same as kidnapping. I know there were many non-Americans that voluntarily joined the military and gained citizenship after getting out but I find it hard to believe we could just kidnap someone visiting this country and place them in the military. Please provide a link or some evidence of this.

[karlschneider]

28. Well, FWIW, you don't have to be a citizen to be in the US military.

:eyes:

[maveric]

32. Many non-citizens fought in Viet Nam.

I have mexican friends that were not legal citizens but were drafted and/or served in combat in Viet Nam.

[Wetzelbill]

6. If somebody kicked Miller in the jaw

at any given second of any given day in the last two years it would have castrated our Chimpy little pal in the WH.

[fla nocount]

8. You have to have a neck to serve.

It's part of the physical.

[larryepke]

10. Just guessing...

I'd suspect Miller was in college when the draft was on. By the time he got out, the lottery was in effect, the war was winding down, so there were fewer troops needed. (Don't kid yourself; NO ONE volunteered to go to Viet Nam if they knew how to avoid it. Some people volunteered in hopes of a better outcome than if drafted. For more on the draft, read "Chance and circumstance : the draft, the war, and the Vietnam generation" by Lawrence Baskir and William Strauss.)

As for Arnold, how long has he been a U.S. citizen? Before that date, he wouldn't have been subject to the draft.

[Robin Hood]

15. Ahnold could have volunteered.

I thought that he is a big bad tough guy, I guess not tough enough. Miller would have been 18 in 1969. Wasn't the draft still going on then?

[Bunny]

21. Actually, my kids' dad WAS fool enough to volunteer

for Nam. He didn't get a football scholarship to Pitt, so he got a hair up his ass and joined the Marines. A few months later, he's in Nam. He never was the sharpest knife in the drawer:crazy:!

[TacticalPeek]

27. Beg to differ.

Brit residents here and any resident, really, were subject to draft, IIRC.

[AP]

12. I think Miller has a physical disorder from birth.

Have you ever seen him walk? He has a leg which doesn't work very well, and a stiff back.

[blm]

16. Because that damn Kerry and Cleland got there first

and brought all those lucky colored people with them for the great opportunities.

[Wetzelbill]

22. Nice to have you as a DUer Mr. Delay

[blm]

25. heheh...

;)

[catmandu57]

18. Ahnold was builing his muscles in Austria

not an american citizen, though there were other countries involved there. Miller, I don't know what his story is, but, there has to be a record of a draft physical, it may be that the fool had a college deferment or a high lottery number, something legit.

[VermontDem2004]

19. The Miller quote I dislike the most

"He's going to wake up every day for the rest of his life, and he's going to tell us how he hates everything about this country except his right to hate it. And then we say that we love it and he's going to tell us what naive sheep we are and that he's the true patriot because he hates it and he sees all the problems in it. Yeah, right, Mike. You know something, if my yawn got any bigger they'd have to assign it a hurricane name, okay? Michael Moore simultaneously represents everything I detest in a human being and everything I feel obligated to defend in an American. Quite simply, it is that stupid moron's right to be that utterly, completely wrong."

[Grins]

20. Why didn't Ahhnold serve...? Easy

...they were doing drug testing at the entrance examining stations!

[phillybri]

23. Miller explains this on a performance of his from 1996....

"Citizen Arcane" was the title, I believe.

He basically said he never could've gone to Vietnam because he's (I'm quoting directly, here) "A COMPLETE PUSSY".

He said something to the effect of "I had to quit a job at a fast food joint because when I threw the cod fillets into the burning hot oil it splahed up on me and it hurt, it hurt alot! You're gonna drop me in a jungle to do hand-to-hand with Jackie Chan? Are you shitting me?"

Look it up, rent the tape, it's all true....

[Robin Hood]

24. That's what I figured, but...

How did he get out of it?

[phillybri]

31. He said he drew a very high number, and....

"Charlie would have been at the Gateway Arch for him to see any action."

Another exact quote, there.

I used to love his stuff before he became a shit-sucking whore....

[damnraddem]

26. Arnold is from Austria. I don't know that he was here yet.

Besides, his war always involves getting sent back in time to now to fight against weird robots.

[kskiska]

29. I read that Arnold was AWOL

from the Austrian army.

UPDATE: Here it is:

Schwarzenegger went AWOL at one point during his compulsory military service to compete in Germany and win the 1965 junior Mr. Europe, and next year turned down a secure Graz city job offer arranged by friends to instead move to Germany and work in a Munich weightlifting studio.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030814/80/e66ru.html

[HawkerHurricane]

30. I heard the same

That he left without permission to compete in a body building contest.

Also, that he was punished for it. Unlike certain pResidents I could name.