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masmdu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:24 PM
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What does "ubi panis, ibi deus" mean?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:27 PM
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1. "Where there is bread, there is god."
From my girlfriend the Latinist.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:28 PM
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2. From what I can figure,
Ubi = where
Panis = bread
Ibi = there
Deus = God (deity)

Where there is bread, there is God. The sacrament of communion.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:30 PM
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4. Or Perhaps, Ma'am
An earlier form of Mr. Brecht's "First grub, then morals."
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:30 PM
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3. delete!
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 11:31 PM by BlueEyedSon
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:40 PM
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5. What all agree in, is probably right , What no two agree in, most probably
wrong."

at least that's the translation I got - recent article in the Nation.

Here is the Article in the Nation

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221&s=allen


<snip>
"In their fascinating and eloquent valetudinarian correspondence, Adams
and Jefferson had a great deal to say about religion. Pressed by
Jefferson to define his personal creed, Adams replied that it was
"contained in four short words, 'Be just and good.'" Jefferson replied,
"The result of our fifty or sixty years of religious reading, in the
four words, 'Be just and good,' is that in which all our inquiries mustend; as the riddles of all priesthoods end in four more, 'ubi panis, ibi deus.' What all agree in, is probably right. What no two agree in, most probably wrong."

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:42 PM
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6. "you're a dick, and he's a douchebag"
Well, it's colloquial Latin...
:evilgrin:
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:49 PM
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7. Similar thought from Cicero's Tusculans:
ubicumque bene erit, patria est.

Roughly 'Their 'homeland' is wherever they can turn a buck.'

Cynical bunch, the Romans.
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