In think we're beginning to reach critical mass

[Must_B_Free]

GanGuk is starting to shatter the illusory power of the media. Howard Kurtz and Wolf Blitzer have been hung out to dry. They stand reveald as no more objective media whores than GanGuk himself.

I am heartened by a call to reopen the 911 investigations and new torture evidence.

The problem with deception and lies is that the truth never dies. It seems as new clues slip out, the skeletons are clamouring to come back out of the closet.

My prediction is that all of the Bush lies are going to come out together and a cohesive picture of America's facist deception will be revealed.

[Itchinjim]

1. Well, I certainly hope you're right,

but I ain't holding my breath.

[pansypoo53219]

2. i prefer

to call him a ho-ho.

[Old and In the Way]

3. We need to start pressuring them from different directions.

They succeeded by staying one step ahead of us. Creating a new outrage while we're still reacting to the old one. Time to push them in a dozen different directions until they implode from the pressure.

[0rganism]

4. I've thought that a hundred times before

and been disappointed every time. It can be soothing to entertain those ideas for a while but I think we need to come to grips with the simple fact that Fox News is the new standard. Attempted objectivity in news reporting has become passe; now it's all about having a witty opinion that panders to the already-established opinions of the viewing audience. The goal of the news networks is not to provide information, it is to sell audience to advertisers -- the same as any other media outlet.

The mass media is gone. The federal government is absolute shit. It will take a dozen decades to repair the damage these jackasses have been causing for the past 30-odd years. And the American people think it's pretty much a-okay. Only our own misery will wake us up.

We've been conditioned to ignore all problems with republicans. They are completely immune to scandal. Gannon could suck Bush's dick on national TV, and the newswhores would call it "outreach to the gay community." Forget it.

[Senior citizen]

5. Kick. Organism, you speak the truth.

For your post, I've nominated this thread for the greatest page.

There is a snowflake's chance in hell that the media whores will devote much bandwidth to the story of a media whore, and much less chance than that of there being any repercussions.

The only place I disagree with you is that I don't think the damage can be undone. Ever. How do you clean the oceans and the air? There comes a point when an organism may be too sick to recover and I think we're past that point.

[Swamp Rat]

7. Way'at Senior citizen!

:hi:

[Must_B_Free]

6. I've only thought it about 4 or 5 times

You are falling for the hype. Fox isn't that popular, it's all a fraud.

Bush inc has been losing the propaganda war since before the election.

- GanGuk moving along, criminal, freeper, whitehouse friend
- Iraq election loss
- 911 inquiry reopen, FAA warnings, Condi lies
- New torture info surfacing
- Failure to sell Social Security Privatization
- Negroponte nomination will bring out old painful details

At some point it all becomes too much...

[0rganism]

9. That's still 4 or 5 more times than it's actually happened

> You are falling for the hype.

:shrug: I disagree.

I think there's been a lot of hype about the bush administration unraveling, and they've been unraveling quite successfully for half a decade. I've bought into it before, but not anymore.

> Fox isn't that popular, it's all a fraud

Doesn't matter if Fox News is "popular". It's competitive, and it's setting the new journalistic standards. People believe what's reported on Fox because it's presented in a way that affirms their existing bias. It's been phenomenally successful.

> Bush inc has been losing the propaganda war since before the election

You mean, before the election bushco won? If that's what "losing the propaganda war" looks like, I don't want to see winning. And don't give me any crap about "stolen elections"; either the GOPropaganda machine is alive and well or we'd have been out in the streets like the Ukrainians after a stolen election. Either bushco won the election outright, or we have been sufficiently hoodwinked that most of us just don't care anymore.

> - GanGuk moving along, criminal, freeper, whitehouse friend

And the MSM is blaming his critics and offering apologetics instead of investigating. Hey, it's not like he's Dan Rather.

> - Iraq election loss

Huh? Iraq's elections are heralded as a rousing triumph for the causes of freedom and democracy and regarded as absolute evidence of bush's noble intentions. They may represent a loss for Iraqis and a prelude to civil war, but for bush they're a lifetime achievement.

> - 911 inquiry reopen, FAA warnings, Condi lies

America does not care. Condi is our new SoS, and when bush tells Americans she is doing a fantastic job we're prepared to believe him.

> - New torture info surfacing

Abu Ghraib is so 2004. It's just a bunch of rogue soldiers.

> - Failure to sell Social Security Privatization

which will lead to a brilliant "negotiated compromise" by bush to "save Social Security for the generations to come" by doing nothing at all. If W cannot dismantle FDR's legacy outright, he will simply co-opt it.

> - Negroponte nomination will bring out old painful details

which did absolutely nothing to prevent him from taking his previous positions, and will do nothing to keep him out of this one. Negroponte's crimes are a non-starter. The American Electorate has opted to believe that Ronald Reagan was a great hero and liberator of Central America from Godless Communism, so those "old painful details" of the hows and wherefores are easily discarded as incongruous with prevailing opinion. Same with Otto Reich, Ollie North, and John Poindexter, heaven help us. We don't know, or we don't care.

> At some point it all becomes too much

Ah, the old "drip drip drip" theory. Doesn't work like that anymore. In the new, improved, attention-defecit society, those drips just go down the drain and out the memory hole. Your list of half-a-dozen iniquities would surely be enough to destroy a Democratic presidency, leading to impeachment and possibly assasination, but for W it is simply another indication of how invulnerable he is. Have a look at this incomplete list:

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard_print.html

The guy who was maintaining it quit back in 2003, by the way. And it's not like nothing happened between then and the election. Every one of those items has a MSM link attached to it. We can't claim that those actions went unreported. Did it ever become too much?

Apparently not, for 51% of the people who voted.

[Lexingtonian]

8. not quite

I think you're on to something, but it's not quite like that.

Holding onto power depends on a couple of things. It's credible social policy, fiscal/economic policy, and foreign policy positions. And credible/trust-able governance.

Republicans are have lost swing voters and Democrats on social policies and fiscal policy and economic policy- they have some power there on very marginal or unusual particular bits, but that's about it. On foreign policy they've lost Democrats and half of swing voters- it's shaky at this point and can break down with failure of the Iraq venture.

The Gannon affair is part of the credible governance bit, where they have half of swing voters with them. But it's hard to see it really hitting home with voters- to them it's just a trick by the White House, proof that The Mainstream Media sucks and gets suckered.

The really hard hit in that department would -will- be the lawsuit in Texas nailing DeLay's people and ultimately DeLay. That's clearcut, unredeemable, abuse of power and corruption. That thing will do what the House Bank scandal did...expose a lot of people, and lose their side the swing voters.

Yeah, we have to run swing voters off of them in all four departments. The good news is that three quarters of the job is done.

And what you're sensing is the way that Republican selfconfidence is finally starting to break down internally. People there are secretly looking around and thinking "Who ARE these people, and why am I with such loons? And just how crazy are we getting?"

[BillZBubb]

10. Another Great Sarcastic Post!

We both know we'll never reach "critical mass" on the Chimperor's regime and the whore media. Plus, the sheeple don't want to hear about it and the Democrats are too wimpy to push it to the limit.