Oh, this is weird. Man throws shoes at Perle. Is it for real?

[madfloridian]

http://communique.portland.or.us/

"No One Was Injured And The Shoes Did Not Hit Mr. Perle

A Little Light Reading

This is too odd not to post, even though it's the sort of random thing we don't usually get into. The following is just in from the Portland Police Bureau, from the scene of this evening's debate between Howard Dean and Richard Perle.

At about 8:20 pm, Portland Police were called to the concert hall regarding a disturbance. Officers arrived and took custody of 52-year-old Bruce C. Charles of Portland. Officers contacted witnesses and learned that Charles was in the audience of tonight's debate between Howard Dean and Richard Pearl when he became upset, stood up, and threw his shoes at Mr. Pearl . Charles was apparently detained by either security or other citizens and held for police. No one was injured and the shoes did not hit Mr.Pearl .
So there's your Thursday night report from the "keeping Portland weird" department. We now return control over your evening to you."

[kaitykaity]

1. Yes, it's for real.

I saw it with my own two eyes. It was a blue shoe.
Sat there in the same room with Dr. Howard Dean.

Needed binocs to see him, but still.

:loveya:

[madfloridian]

3. Why did he throw his blue shoe at Perle?

Keep talking.. LOL

[kaitykaity]

10. Oh Gawd it was the same old shit.

911 was because of faulty intelligence.
The doctrine of preemption is still valid.
The Democrats are weak on defense.

The Iraqi people are free. We're spreading
democracy.

All of the same old lies after lies after lies.

I got yelled at for expressing my opinion. "Oh
you lying bastard." The couple got in my face
so I apologized, but the guy wouldn't let it go
and when I finally yelled "I apologized so SHUT UP"
he shut up.

[madfloridian]

13. Was Dean able to speak at all? Or did Perle just keep on?

:hi:

[kaitykaity]

14. The audience was pretty raucous during his opening

statement, so he kept droning on and on. I thought
my head was going to explode. But after that he
kept it short.

What was cool was during the Q&A Perle tried to throw
attack lines at Dean and the moderator slapped him down
and told him to cool it. That was sweet.

[madfloridian]

17. Sounds like Dean got in some good statements...thread in GDP.

God, I wish I could have been there.

[kaitykaity]

19. Oh, Dean gets it. He gets it.

He's read that book about "Don't think like an elephant."

He said over and over that we've got to stop letting the
Republicans frame the debate.

It was spine tingling. I'm telling you, the man understands
what he has to do and he's more than able to do it.

[madfloridian]

20. Kudos to him. He deserves them. Bless his heart.

I am reading that book now. DFA hired Lakoff for a while, and I think our Dems have been working with him.

[kaitykaity]

24. The other quote you should watch out for is the one

I talked about in the GDP thread when Perle was
talking about how dictators operate -- how they keep
their people scared and they need an external enemy
to hold onto power.

It was like he was revealing the plan for the Bush
dictatorship.

If these criminals could grasp the concept of irony,
it would have been delicious to make him choke on
it.

[No Exit]

25. It pisses me off that TWO people ganged up to make you feel YOU

should apologize, when in reality it is PERLE who should be apologizing to the American people! Right before he is carted off to Leavenworth, that is.

I used to vote for republican presidential candidates. (Okay, so I was really stupid.) I also liked to see how many presidents I could see in person. (Not very many... saw about 4, before they started charging big bucks to see ANY president.) My small child and I went through metal detectors to see Poppy in 1992. (Never before had I been required to go to those lengths... see, the Bushes KNOW people hate them and want to assassinate them... not me though, I just want them to LEAVE.)

So Poppy did his spiel, and he got to where he said something about those darned lawyers who ruin everything (by having the nerve to sue on behalf of actual PEOPLE instead of on behalf of corporations only.)

I knew the sucker had been in business. (Saying Poppy was in business is like saying Hitler was a populist.) So I knew he'd been a party in plenty of litigation. So I found myself yelling out, "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SUED?"

Some really ugly people got on my case and got nasty. We traded some nasty insults. However, when they figured out that I was still actually going to VOTE for that piece of shit, they settled down.

[kaitykaity]

26. I was out of line. I just let my feelings out.

And when he turned around his elbow was laying on
top of my knees and I told him to get his hands
off me.

When his wife turned around and said something,
I apologized to her. She turned right around and let
it be, but he kept yelling at me, and so that's when
I got in his face and told him to SHUT UP. He shut
up, so I got the better of it in the end.

[No Exit]

34. Well, HE certainly owed YOU an apology.

And "mere words" (which were not even directed at him) do not justify an assault--and an unauthorized "touching" of your person, which is what he did, is an assault!

I'm glad he finally shut up, though!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

41. I wanted to be there too....

But I knew I would get kicked out for causing a scene! lol
Does the guy need bail? I'll kick in.

[bpilgrim]

2. people are MAD AS HELL

and they're not going to take their BS anymore :bounce:

peace

[ultraist]

6. BWHAHAHAHA!! It's the beginning of the REVOLT!

[BrewerJohn]

4. Better aim next time!

[madfloridian]

5. Should be on C-Span on Saturday. Jealous of Kaity Kaity.

Most interesting.

[ultraist]

9. Should we all start wearing blue shoes?

[Swamp Rat]

7. Silly, shoes are for stamping out roaches...

You need a plasma ray for alien lizards. :D

[Maple]

8. It's a sign of extreme disrespect

in some parts of the world.

Often leads to the official so targetted, resigning in shame.

[car54whereareyou]

16. cool

thanks!

[Occulus]

23. I was wondering when this would start happening

What's the one thing you go someplace with that you could temporarily do without? Something bulky, that you could throw?

Your shoes, of course. Which is exactly what I suggest people start doing.

Let's force them to either ban shoes or make people wear special footwear. I wanna see some heels, too... three-inch spikes would be niiiiice.

Just aim wide with those, so you make your point without hurting anyone.

[ClayZ]

38. Great PLAN! We could "whack" on their pictures too.

Billboards. Statues. Newspaper stands. I have just the shoes in mind. Just the thought of it makes me feel beter.


The great American Shoe in!



:kick:

[LittleClarkie]

29. Remember when they threw shoes at Saddam's statue

Even if that WAS staged, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw this article.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. He probably threw his shoes at the TV 100 times when Perle was on

and then forgot this wasn't TV.

[madfloridian]

12. There you go. We feel like doing that.

I was starting to throw a cushion at the TV one day, but my hubby grabbed my arm. He said the TV would not know the difference.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Yeah..I just turn the thing off

I don't have hypertension yet...I don't want to get it.

BTW..did anyone TIVO the debate?

[madfloridian]

18. Won't be on until Saturday....C-Span.

:hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. thanks

;-)

[Occulus]

46. I understand Nerf makes foam bricks n/t

[grasswire]

21. I was there..........

......and it was great fun. The audience roared its approval for Howard Dean with an extended standing ovation. Richard Perle came out and there was polite applause, a lot of booing and hollering of "Traitor!!" "Liar!!" From the balconies, the shoe incident looked like a huge fracas. The guy gave it his all -- hollering curses at Perle until finally dragged out.

Perle spent his time acting as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Smoothly modulated voice, platitudes, trying to find "common ground" with Dean.

And Dean was disappointingly placid, I thought. I don't know how he'll do as DNC chair if he isn't going to raise a little hell.

He DID say, though, that one of his primary tasks is to refuse to let Republicans frame the debate as they usually do.

[kaitykaity]

27. I liked the part when he slammed Bush for using the

war for partisan gain. That was good stuff
I thought.

[Vanje]

50. Sweet. Remember, GHW Bush called Portland, Little Beiruit

Ah Portland. My home town!

[madfloridian]

28. Found this wonderful quote from Dean at Kos. Wow! Go Howard.

SNIP..."The highlight of the night came in the phase of the debate when panelists were invited to ask questions. Perle had just spoken for a while, trashing the Dems on national security as usual. The panel then asked Dean an unrelated question. Before responding to that question, the Good Doctor said to Perle something like "Before I respond I want to say that Richard has attempted to do something that I'm not going to let him get away with, and that is frame the debate. As chairman I don't intend to let them continue to frame the debate." Be still my beating heart. You could almost hear Lutz sighing in dismay and Lakoff sighing in relief."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/18/2535/72934

[bpilgrim]

30. Dean Seeks Media Blackout, then quickly Changes Mind

Howard Dean, the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee, requested a media blackout of a debate with top Pentagon adviser Richard Perle, then quickly changed his mind Wednesday after news agencies complained.

"DNC Chair Howard Dean has declared a news blackout of his appearance and requested the media not quote, record, and/or paraphrase his remarks," event coordinator Gabrielle Williams wrote in an e-mail sent to news agencies Wednesday morning. "We apologize for the late notice, but we were just informed of this request."

Less than two hours later, Williams called to say: "We were told just a few minutes ago that it is now open" for media coverage. The decision to open Thursday's debate came roughly 30 minutes after an inquiry by The Associated Press.

Dean spokeswoman Laura Gross said Dean had decided the event would be closed before he was elected DNC chairman Saturday, but changed his mind because of his new job.

more...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_re_us/dean_media_blackout_1

peace

[madfloridian]

31. And I bet it got more coverage because of that.

Even though it happened in November. This thing was sold out by December.

[Dr Fate]

52. Yup- Mean Dean used the "Briar Patch" trick on the GOP/media

...good stuff...

[smurfygirl]

32. sounds awesome I'm jealous

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35. Anybody know if this will broadcast sometime on C-Span?

Sounds like worthwhile watching. It would be interesting to see how the shoe-hurling incident came out on tape. Thanks for posting.

[madfloridian]

36. Saturday on C-Span. No time yet.

:hi:

[Old Mouse]

37. This shoe was thrown for all of us

We all know we want to see that shoe to hit Perle right in the face. We're all furious and feel powerless and we just want to somehow, in any way let these people know we SEE them and know what they are and what they do. That even though they control all of the press telling us that everyones happy with the death, poverty, destruction and misery, we KNOW it's a lie.

That shoe said we keep you and yours behind plexiglas shields and hidden in armored limousines, we keep you from speaking freely and unscripted to the press, that nothing you write on freerepublic is safe from reprint, no midnight visit to male prostitutes will go unnoticed, and you can't get away with sitting in front of an informed audience spouting bullshit. We're not going to let you enjoy what you stole.

That shoe said we know more than you think, and soon we will know everything.

That man's in jail for all of us.

[NJCher]

39. another excellent post

You said it all, Old Mouse.


Cher

[K3RRY1]

42. The man's an idiot

Throwing anything says: "I'm a loser".

Sorry, I can't abide this ridiculous behaviour.

[Old Mouse]

48. It's wonderful

Without a shoe thrown, no one would have paid any attention to this debate. Now the entire world has the impression the American people are violently opposed to Bush's policies, and do not support the war.

It was the best piece of public relations to counter Bush's control of the media to date. A man so angry, so incensed he couldn't restrain himself to that degree? A powerful, powerful image.

[K3RRY1]

49. Take off your DU colored glasses for a minute

and realize that most people don't see it this way at all.

They see an idiot throwing a shoe and getting dragged out.

[Old Mouse]

51. Take of f your cynical ones; it's a good day!

Except for that whole 'going to jail' part...

the entire rest of the world is beginning to believe the USA is the new Nazi Germany. And they believe that the American people wholeheartedly support the murder, maiming and torture of innocent women and children. This, in my opinion, has been the best and loudest indication to the outside world that the full support of the American people is an illusion.

While I'm not going to outright advocate committing a felony, his shoe is ON CAMERA when all of the hung banners and gallery protests during the congressional conformation of the electoral votes was NOT.

Writing letters to the editor is not going to stop the torture. I want to see that shoe video over and over. I want to see the snowball hit the limo, Ann Coulter chased with a pie, Bush reaching for his bodyguard because he's too scared to go anywhere without him. I want these monsters to appear vulnerable on film to undo all of the posturing imagery they push.

The shoe was great. It flying through the air just as Perle was giving his propaganda talking points couldn't have been better.

To the rest of the world, that man screaming "lies lies" while being dragged out was the only sane man in the room.

[imenja]

40. Throwing shoes is a grave and serious insult in the Muslim world

perhaps he knew that and was protesting the war.

[bpilgrim]

43. he was definately protesting the war

and it's many LIES.

we need to send him bail money :bounce:

we must support all who take a stand against the LIES!

peace

[myrna minx]

44. From the wayback machine lest we forget

what a peach Perle is...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1033&forum=DCForumID62&archive=

[MissB]

45. Here is a "mainstream" media (local) article:

http://www.katu.com/stories/75077.html

Protester Throws Shoe At Perle During Debate

PORTLAND, Ore. - Howard Dean, the newly minted leader of the Democratic Party, and top Pentagon adviser Richard Perle made clear their opposing views on the war in Iraq during a debate marred by a protester who tossed a shoe at Perle.

Perle had just started his comments Thursday when a protester threw a shoe at him before being dragged away, screaming, "Liar! Liar!"

Perle, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's top policy adviser, was a key architect of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, and Dean is among the war's most prominent opponents.

In his new role as chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Dean has stressed that Democrats are stronger than Republicans on defense.

[IronLionZion]

47. watch it here at this link

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=75077

it shows the shoe being thrown and a little bit of the debate and audience comments afterwards.

C-SPAN will rebroadcast the whole thing on Saturday but I don't know what time or which C-SPAN channel. :shrug: If you know please tell us.

[janx]

53. CSPAN 8:00 Eastern Time. n/t