If you think * is purposely bankrupting America, please do this:

[Deja Q]

1. Write up a POLITE document stating specific incidents, with as much backing proof as possible - complete with bibliography.

2. Send said document to all politicians, D or R, who are known to be against *'s social security "reform".

3. Hope they do something because attempts to overthrow the government is treason and a really really bad thing to do.

Personally, I see no evidence showing how * wants to destroy the country's economy (he, like Reagan, is just a slimy dumbass best left as a Walmart greeter but the public, just as dumb, felt that someone 'just like them' would make a great leader too :eyes: ).

And it would also render corporate america as powerless too. If our economy is worthless, so is the money they have. So what am I missing when many DUers are running around screaming "He's going to bankrupt us all so the corporations can buy what's left for pennies on the dollar!!!" :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[ret5hd]

1. he doesnt want to bankrupt us so corps can buy for pennies on the...

dollar...

he wants to bankrupt us so that the country s forced to eliminate all social programs...SS medicare medicaid labor-laws envronmental-protections etc etc etc.

believe it or not these programs are antithetical to the repugs ideas on social darwinism. those that need the programs are weak and need to be eliminated.

[indepat]

2. And about 90+% of those who voted for GWB are adversely impacted

by the policies and actions of his Administration in big ways and that's not even counting those who did not even bother to vote either way. Go figure.

[ret5hd]

3. but hey...the gays cant get married...thats all that counts.

[Deja Q]

7. Pity that 90% of the 59 million can't figure it out.

If I ultimately have pity for them, it'll be a surprise. But, wallowing in apathy, I no longer care what * does or how the world responds. We are at fault at this point and we - as a country - deserve what we get.

[indepat]

8. I no longer have pity, but my contempt grows daily, if not hourly, as

the systematic and systemic destruction of our country, this Republic, its constitutional form of government unfolds before our very eyes. The people truly get the government they so richly deserve with all the trimmings: those of the religious right persuasion who support all this maybe had better hope their God is not a just God.

[Deja Q]

5. But wouldn't that ALSO eliminate military funding?

Bankrupt means 0. Totally. Not just pick'n'choose.

Or as I understand it...

[Demit]

4. oh man, you just gave me a nice mental flash of * as a Walmart greeter

Wouldn't that be nice? In some future scenario, where everything goes back to being the way it should be? I used to think that in a world where he did not have that family name, he would have been a low-level sales manager somewhere--and only just barely hanging onto that job because his associates constantly covered for him. The guy everybody thought of as dim, not really going anywhere, but he tells good jokes around the water cooler.

But in my fantasy now, he finally gets fired from that job for incompetence and the only job he can get is as a Walmart greeter.

[Deja Q]

6. Given *'s record and obvious personality flaws, he'd fail the entry exam!

Yes, exam. All retail chains give personality profile tests to potential employees and let a computer decide if they're worthy. :crazy: :eyes:

[killbotfactory]

9. It's called "starve the beast"

It's been promoted by that crazy bastard Norquist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve-the-beast

[davekriss]

10. Starving the Beast...

...does not mean bankrupting the entirety of the U.S., just the ability (the wiggle room) of Congress to fund collectivist solutions that benefit the many of us to the benefit of the few.

Our State can function as a brake against the unfettered aggregation of advantage into the hands of the already advantaged. Bush, and GHWB and Reagan before him, by starving the beast -- "bankrupting" the federal government --, makes it impossible to solve social problems such as education, healthcare, retirement security, etc. Note that these same people effecting these policies are not recommending that the USG diminish its imperial military, nor ending corporate subsidies (even to move jobs overseas) -- funding the Security State is no problem.

Really
the police try to protect
the banks -- and everything else
is secondary
-- D.A. Levy, SUBURBAN MONASTERY DEATH POEM

Why, for example, destroy social security, a program funded solely by the people that benefit from it? It's no skin off the rentier class that lives off of interest, dividends, and capital gains. The answer is simple: Control. It forces the many of us to turn to the cash nexus from which they benefit. Who would clamor for higher wages when one is wholly dependent on the largesse of the corporation for one's food on the table?

Ditto with healthcare. Why not allow us to implement a desired universal payor healtcare distribution system? Because, those of us with insurance, are again dependent on the largesse of the corporation for access to doctors and medicine. It again tames the worker, makes it less likely that he'll bolt from the job when the owner accelerates the assembly line or asks the accountants to work half-days on Saturdays.

The less we are able to solve our problems collectively, the more dependent we are on the owners of capital for our welfare, thus the right-wing dismantling of the FDR welfare state.

How do they get so many people to go along with the program? Many ways. One of my favorites is to leverage the unfortunate Calvinist ethos that states he who has things has God's favor, is good; he who has not has God' wrath and deserves what they've got. Given this ethos, the advantaged argue that they are righteous in their accumulation and to help the disadvantaged would be to act at cross-purposes with God. That this entirely misses Jesus' Gospel is beside the point, propogation of the error serves the purposes of the powerful. Kind of like a post-mercantile version of the Divine Right of Kings...

Anyway, I ramble...

(Note, however, the Great Depression does show us that the creditor class benefits greatly when the many of us are bankrupt; wealth did transfer up hierarchy then.)

[Strelnikov_]

11. And While They Are 'Starving The Beast', The Current Accounts

deficit is spiraling out of control.

To answer your question: They are incompetant. Our economic leadership has been taken over by acolytes of unrestricted markets and free trade. Problem is, there is no evidence that this will work, only a belief it will work (faith based economics).

Never have we had both the Government budget and Current Accounts moving so heavily in the same direction. Typically, an economic downturn like we had in ‘01 corrects the trade deficit somewhat. This time, the resultant weaker dollar is having no effect.

The current accounts deficit is running 6%+ of GDP, with no sign of abating. Due to the 'miracle' of compound interest working both ways, at a 6%+ GDP current accounts deficit the US will not be able to afford foreign oil (60%+ of current consumption) much longer.

So, they may not want to destroy the economy, but they are doing a good job of it due to their wholesale embrace of unrestricted free trade and lack of an energy policy other than ‘pump and consume’. Could the moves being made in the Middle East be related to our ‘Peak Deficit’ problem? That is, an attempt to steal what we will no longer be able to purchase outright.