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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:38 PM
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I'm sick of sex....a rant
Does anyone else feel this way? I'm no prude but I'm sick of people talking about sex, either side of any issue. I'm sick of seeing scantily clad people in public and on the TEEVEE and in the movies. I'm sick of seeing suggested sex, suggestive sex, real sex, simulated sex. I'm tired of hearing about sex toys, viagra/cialis/anyother guy pill, fantasy--you name it. I don't need to know anything about what anyone else does in the privacy of their bedroom--so long as it isn't with a child and isn't rape. both crimes. I do not need anyone in society to dictate to me what I can do with my body nor do I need to dictate to others what they should do with theirs. My life does not revolve around my sexuality--it is a part of my life but does not own me. I'm tired of other people expecting me to be as preoccupied with their sexuality--hetero or otherwise--because they are.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:40 PM
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1. I'm tired of war. nt
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:40 PM
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2. Me, too.
Everything is just too much in this culture.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:41 PM
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5. Yup. All things considered...
...I'm a LOT more tired of war and killing than sex.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:44 PM
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7. Yep. I'm way more tired of war and death than sex.
eom
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:57 PM
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15. Make love not war.
I can't take all the death and destruction without conscious. I handle all the sex much easier.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:09 PM
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26. that reminds me of the op-ed
which pointed out that censors removed all of the sex and suggestions of sex in order to make something "suitable for TV" but they left in all of the violence.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:40 PM
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3. I agree it could be a bit more private
nt
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:41 PM
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4. I'm sick of sex, greed, war, lovey dovey bullshit.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:43 PM
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6. I'm sick of the double standards applied to sex
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 02:45 PM by Roland99
Our media foments sexual desire and discussion. We have sex-ed in school (well, if you want to call it that.) We all want to have sex, it's a natural instinct. Yet this country attaches such a taboo to it that we end up with all kinds of double standards, bigotry, phobias, and misinformation that it makes us look like a bunch of hypocritical Puritans to anyone outside the U.S.


From what I saw on my trips to Europe, the more affectionate society they have just says, hey, it's sex. Have fun. Ever seen their 1-900 ads on TV? Naked women. Not just scantily clad, topless, on regular TV. Remove the taboos and you remove the ignorance and double standards.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:46 PM
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8. feel relieved. Double standards sucks.
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:48 PM
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9. its a biological imperative.
as a matter of biology, an individuals purpose is to propagate their genes as many times as possible, and this is through sex.

of course you hear about it a lot, its an extremely powerful force.

imagine cave-man days when the sexual urge had to be strong enough to overcome the stench, the hairyness, the unkemptness, the environment of that? well, we still have that urge.

we are hardwired to have sex, a lot of it. forgive us for indulging in a biological need as necessary as food.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:51 PM
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11. Jeffie or Jimmy Guckert Gannon
has just pushed me over the edge today. AND I saw an article with breathless caps for headlines about how upset Brittany Spears is that people invade her privacy. Spare me. When you flaunt everything, what the heck do you expect.

ARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:55 PM
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14. Ah. That's not 'sex', that's marketing
I'm as sick of marketing almost as much as I'm sick of war and killing.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:59 PM
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18. The way you talk, it's a wonder I'm not dead.
I have had food, but not sex.
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:19 PM
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31. oh well...
then you wont be passing your genes on.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:51 PM
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10. More sick of violence, most sex I'm sick of is actually violence
rape, homophobia, etc, is violence disguised as sex.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:53 PM
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12. yes.....it's designed to SELL....and folks are picking up on that, I think
Anything get's tiresome when it's pushed in your face all the time...
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:04 PM
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24. It's the leering, salacious undercurrent
to how we regard sex that's annoying. We wouldn't be so obsessed with it if we weren't so repressed and disfunctional.
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:54 PM
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13. Sick of sex too.
Sex is like food. Some people eat a little, some people eat a lot.

Some people tell all their friends they're on a diet, and then proceed to eat a gallon of ice cream behind closed doors.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:57 PM
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16. I like sex. I hope I never get sick of it.
But the two things people can be manipulated most with are sex and money, so they will continue to be the tools of scoundrels. Until people recognize within themselves that they CAN be seduced into going along due to this manipulation..we will continue with our previously scheduled programming.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:59 PM
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17. ALLRIGHT
About TIME it's been said and resaid again.

Here is a place where sex is not all day all the time...

http://www.asexuality.org/discussion/


"Sex?" "No thanks, I'd much rather watch Columbo!"

http://members.aol.com/swankivy/nonsex.html

I have no sex drive.

Truthfully, my take on sex shouldn't be anyone's business. However, a whole lot of people try to make it their business. And I find myself in a position not unlike gay or bisexual people: I don't want to become my sexuality (or lack thereof), but I want to make information available about my disinterest in sex being not a sickness or a psychosis but rather a legitimate sexual orientation. I don't want to be on a soap box, but I am eager to contribute to the public's acknowledgement and acceptance of nonsexual people, and I am not ashamed of being one of said minority.

Not that I mind discussing sex and matters related; I understand that people are curious about my lack of sex drive since it's such an unusual state for a person of my age. It's when they try to assign some all-encompassing "reason" for it, like they know better than I do even though they've just met me, or when they treat it like I have a disease that needs curing, that I start to get annoyed. I'm perfectly happy the way I am, honestly . . . I'm not looking for a "cure," and I'm not interested in trying to like screwing just so I can be like everyone else. I know I'm not normal and I simply don't care.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:14 PM
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28. As long as you're happy with yourself and your life, no one should,...
,...be critical of your orientation which obviously harms no one. If anything, the constant "in your face" sex this/that/other/blather is more harmful because no matter what anyone does everyone is somehow wrong.

I am just sick of the constant obsession with anything involving sex.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:29 PM
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37. me too
I'm tired of the shame game,the peep show game,the uptight moralist condemning people game,the hypocrites and the people trying hard to pretend when they do something someone else does somehow they are entitled to do it while condemning others for the same thing.I'm tired off how sex dominates what you see on TV,what is sung about in music, whgat is talked about,and life allegedly revolving around sex.I'm sick of porn,sick of anti porn,sick of all sides of the abortion debates,sick of babies,and sex to make more babies and Gyn talk,male enhancement.Insecure people cuttingup thier bodies to score somebody..I'm sick of sex and all it's sick effects on people and thier ethics and compassion.

In my experince in most relationships the freindship and mental engagement and seeking to know a person and who they are inside withers once sexual attraction gets involved in it.Sex eclipses the heart's seeking and cheapens affectionate love in most relationships I find myself in..Then after you say (again) you don't have sexual attraction they take it personally,you becomne a monster because you don't feel the same thing as they do and they are insulted.SExuals they just don't understand Asexuals.And that's ok,I still wish they'd get over it,understand not everyone thinks like they do and not take it so personal.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:51 PM
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47. What is normal, really?
Does anyone know. I think if you are happy with your sex life, or lack of one, then your sex life is normal for you.

Fuck what everyone else thinks we should be doing. It's all about making you feel insecure so that you are more susceptible to their marketing ploys.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:59 PM
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49. Normal was invented by Eugenicists
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:59 PM
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19. blah blah blah
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:00 PM
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20. expect more and more, because the right only wants to appeal
to the five senses and to conditioned behavior.

Buddhism has a great saying: "Don't let your brain be sucked out by your senses." The right spends billions of dollars researching just how to suck our brains out, and they've been pretty successful with it so far.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:01 PM
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21. I'm not
in fact, I'm sick of the repression of sexual expression in our culture... in the name of "the children".

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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:35 PM
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54. I'd go a step further and say that I'm
sick of the distorted repression of sexuality in our culture (in the name of the children).

Take for example the Janet Jackson/Super Bowl thing last year. Gasp! Oh my God! She exposed her breast!
Let me tell you the exposure of her breast was the one thing that DIDN'T offend me in her performance.
I was a whole lot more offended by the dry humping and the crotch grabbing during the routine. The wardrobe malfunction? So what! We caught a glimpse of a nipple. Big whoop. I see at least two of them daily but instead we had a nation outraged not because of the provocative and exploitive nature of the performance but because we saw a breast.<sarcasm on>So Janet can hump Justin's leg and he can mock rape and beat her while she pretends to love it...as long as little Tommy sitting at home doesn't catch the slightest glimpse of that booby because THAT could shock and traumatize him. <sarcasm off>
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:02 PM
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22. Trust me, Sex will NOT go away no matter how hard the right tries.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:16 PM
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29. It seems to me that the "right" is quite obsessed with sex, SEX, SEX! n/t
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:20 PM
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32. Wasn't that
more or less what Marylin Monroe opined? Alas, she did "go away", and prematurely, at that; and we shall in due course.

It's the answer to a question only the respondent imagines is ever posed. No-one expects it to go away, but the way it is viewed has endless ramifications.

It is one of the great mysteries of life: one the one hand it is fornication, and on the other the ultimate image of God's love for his people. That's never going to go away.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:03 PM
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23. It's a symptom of a puritanical society
sexual repression breeds sexual obsession.

And yes, the endless attempt by media to titillate us is really annoying.

I'm not at all anti-sex, but it's just a pleasant bodily function you do with someone you like (who is sometimes yourself). It's not the be-all, end-all experience of life.

Unless you're a male between the ages of 12 and 21 - then it's perfectly normal to think about sex for about 65% of your waking hours.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:05 PM
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25. I'm not anti-sex either, I'm just sick to death of
being inundated with everyone else's baggage.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:47 PM
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46. 65% is pretty low for that age group.
at least according to my stepsons, it is. ;-) They'd say 90%.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:12 PM
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27. No, if anything...
nevermind.
I don't watch TV much, so that probably makes a difference. TV is nothing but one tawdry sex joke after another.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:19 PM
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30. I'm sick of the erectile disfunction commercials.
seems like one is on every 5 minutes. Seems too private to me.

I like scantily clad.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:22 PM
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:23 PM
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:27 PM
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36. i'm sick of prudes that won't put out...
or are holding out for marriage...


taught.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:36 PM
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41. I'm sick of
People insisting I must put out or I'm not worthy of kinship.

I'm sick of men massaging their dicks on the bus and whining about women who don't give them sex on demand acting like little bullies..


I'm sick of sexually obsessed people who assume just because they act nice to someone they are "entitled" to sex as payment for friendship.

Nobody is entitled to have access to anyone else's body when that person is not freely consenting to it.Manipulation,desperation and loneliness are not entitlement excuses for sexual demands and domination on reluctant others.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:54 PM
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61. it was just a joke...
but if you really feel that way, don't be suprised if we have sex with you and just leave.


taught.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:30 PM
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38. They had invented sex by the time I was 17
But no one ever talked about it. That made me mad too. I had to find old medical books with technical diagrams.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:33 PM
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39. Whoo
If there had been an internet when I was 17, I would have been a deranged werewolf.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:34 PM
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40. I agree. Sick of Sex and Greed-which go hand in hand in this country
and FYI-I'm no prude either! This hyper promotion of sex/money has gotten VERY old. Where's the mystery, where's the romance?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:44 PM
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43. wheres the affection
joy of discoving who a person really is,and the tenderness and compassion,fun times? The desire for closeness that can be felt in the emotional,heart sense.What happened to deep freindship non sexual touch and cultivating intellectual fascination of discovering what's another person's thoughts like? What happened to exporing the world inside the heart and the world we all live in together?

When you see all that is, you see the complexity that is a person, sex is insignificant by comparison .
But you wouldn't know that a person is really a unique fascinating deep complex being very different yet very much like yourself also on a journey to the center of a heart and soul,Freindships you can make together with every freind can be better than mere sex
Sex and power often interferes with true freindship and true intimacy..
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:40 PM
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42. I'll take sex over violence any day
Sex existed long before I was born, it will continue long after I die.

It is part of the life force and only deforms itself under oppressive /repressive forces.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:46 PM
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44. I'm sure as hell sick of the preoccupation with the topic
I mean, jeebus, doesn't our society have anything else to talk/think/obsess about? I enjoy a good orgasm as much as the next person, but holy crap, I don't feel its pursuit needs to be the be-all and end-all of my existence.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:47 PM
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45. Amen!
I thought I was the only one. I don't consider myself a prude and I have no moral issues with sex at all - unless someone is being harmed or forced against thier will.

All the mystery has gone out of sex due to the oversaturation of our society with sexual images, innuendo, etc. It's like having an eating disorder. Food is natural. Liking or even loving food is natural. Not eating at all is unhealthy. Eating too much is unhealthy. Thinking about food all the time and obsessing over it to the detriment of the rest of your life is unhealthy. Same thing with sex.

It's so in our faces that it starts to feel like a mandate (sorry, best word I could come up with) instead of a pleasurable activity to luxuriate in and enjoy. It's at a point where it seems competitive and commodified.

Will the mystery (and therefore, much of the appeal) ever return to the realm of the sexual? I hope so, because frankly, I am bored silly with it.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:56 PM
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48. Join the Anti-Sex League.
I hear you get a free scarlet sash.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:12 PM
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52. Anti sex ?
Hardly..what about a person who's not interested,tired of it,bored with it,don't care about it?


Sex? No thanks I'd rather go have coffee and play darts with my freinds..or watch Kolcheck night stalker, do photoshop art,feed my cats,walk outside..play keyboard,dye my hair purple..

What's wrong with that?
Having your own non sexual preferences overriding sexual obessiveness that most people are taught to assume iscall"normal" does not classify someone as a prude or anti sex.
They just have different personal priorities than sexualized people do.

I don't care what anyone else does to each other sexually as long as it's not abusive,exploiting or done/forced onto a kid,I don't wanna know,Don't need to harp on it'cause I don't care,not interested.I'm quite happy drawing..If laws are passed on sexual pretenses that interfere with human rights,equality and freedom to be who you are,than I get as angry as the next person about it.



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:06 PM
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50. Damn !
You mean there is something more important in life than my sexuality??
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:11 PM
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51. People are usually preoccupied with their least-abundant resource.
I'm not speculating about you in particular, just making a general observation about human relationships. When money is scarce, the focus of a couple's tension is usually financial. When sex is scarce, a similar dynamic applies. When sex is as common as anything we take for granted in a relationship, it usually ceases to be a preoccupation for those involved. But this doesn't directly address complaint, except that it is possible that you are being overly sensitive to the sex around you.

The barrage of sex in the media and entertainment is simply a matter of statistics and economy - sex sells. Apparently there are a number of people who aren't getting enough sex, because it is consistantly a top component of marketing, which relies heavily on resulting profits and little on anything else. Thus, it really isn't personal, and shouldn't be taken that way. If you don't like the way they're selling their product, don't buy it, don't watch the show, don't listen to people who won't shut up about it.

Also, if you're serious, you might not want to post it on a public board where both your rant and every response to it will also be involving what you claim to be sick of hearing about.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:58 PM
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55. And I obsess on not being able to afford to buy sex...
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 04:59 PM by BiggJawn
just like a horny poor boy should.

And as a country, we should be obsessed with Peace, since we have so little of that...

But how does this explain our national obsession with Celebrity? Krikey, if there's ANYTHING we have too much of, it's people who are Famous for being Famous....
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:32 PM
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58. Ah...that's the power of marketing.
The thing is, we aren't really obsessed with celebrity, we're obsessed with escaping from our own mundane existances. Marketing people know this, and exploit our escapism with the tried and true tool of celebrity. Why? Because it is so much effective marketing in one. What better to offer people unhappy with their own lives than beautiful people with glamorous and exciting lives? Just think about how many products are advertised every time a celebrity steps on-screen. On top of that, the celebrities themselves are product. The bigger stars they are, the more exposure they get, the more money everyone makes. The thing is, corporations can't afford to let us stop worshipping celebrity at this point, because of the amount of money they have invested in our celebrity obsession. If everyone were to wake up tomorrow without any desire or concern for celebrity, we would still have it shoved down our throats. And, we'd still be paying for it.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:59 PM
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56. C'mon now. You're missing the point
Having a steady partner and getting regular sex is not really the issue. Regular sex with your gf/bf is like eating meatloaf for dinner- it's just the bare minimum for survival.

This is about using sex and level of sexual attractiveness to separate the elites from the "lesser" individuals, to show us how the elites are eating their caviar while we eat meatloaf.

Eg. Britney Spears is sexy and to be valued, plain jane/johhny is not. The "hot" people are having lots of sex with other "hot" people, the lesser people are not. The "hot" people show off all of their "hot" parts, the lesser people cannot.

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:21 PM
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57. Right, that's the marketing point I make in the second paragraph.
Britney Spears is product. She is also used to sell product. The only value is in the profits made. Everything else is marketing. If marketing is effecting your self-image, they don't care. But it isn't personal, it's profit. Like I said.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:49 PM
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64. True, but capitalists aren't the only ones profiting,
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 07:16 PM by secular_warrior
and money isn't the only profit in our society today.

In today's world, class isn't solely determined by money.

IMO, this situation isn't solely the invention of marketeers - it is something happening in the culture (I've seen it firsthand, before things were marketed) creating the demand. It is people who call themselves culturally liberal, but are really libertarian predators -it is all about them - how good looking they are, how much sex they get, how much money they can make, how elite a college they went to, how elite a job they can get..

Mind you, these are people who say they are liberal, who voted for Kerry, who make themselves feel good by having a gay friend here, a black friend there.

Truth be told, they're worse than Republicans, who at least are direct about their hatred of the "lesser" peoples.

edit to add: marketing is a major component in all of this, but my point is that the cultural left doesn't stand up against any of it, or even seem to see this problem - and IMO is driving the demand. Hollywood stars, for example, are supposedly so liberal, yet they are so materialistic, elitist, narcissistic, etc. These aren't the qualities of people who wish a flat social structure, but one where many people are below them.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:31 PM
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68. You think republicans have the monopoly on hypocrisy?
This is one of the problems of being the "big tent" party. Personally, moderates make me fucking ill, but we need them (though not as much as they like to think we do) in order to get our Democracy back. I think you are right about the materialists in our ranks who reinforce celebrity culture, but what are we supposed to do about it other than voice our opinion and hope we'll all still vote together? Maybe one day we'll all agree to put humanity first.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:32 PM
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53. the left needs to realize that sex/sexuality is a commodity like money
Whenever there are people competing for any resource, there are winners and losers and a hierarchy of winners and losers.

In our culture, the people who are the best looking/most sexually appealing are valued most. These are the people who are the most popular and have it easiest in life. I'm sick of hearing the shit about how liberal they are, because most of them are nasty, elitist narcissists.

I think the left really needs to wake up to this - sex is good, but using it to make people feel inferior is bad.

Cultural liberalism in it's current form really goes against all the ideas of equality and a flat social structure. What it really amounts to is 'dog eat dog' libertarianism where the narcissists/materialists show off and rub the "lesser" people's faces in it. They are no better than capitalists - yes, including the women.

I don't want to know about Paris or Britney or whoever having sex until she's having sex with rich guys and poor guys alike. Because we all know pussy isn't handed out equally. Most of these self proclaimed "liberal" women are VERY concerned with what a man does for a living and how much money he has.

Most culturally "liberal" men are worse - they talk about all of this inner beauty shit and then give most of the attention to shallow, plastic, narcissistic sluts.

And then when folks like me say this shit it always comes back "Oh, you can't get any, that's why you're upset." Sounds familiar to the "Oh, you just don't want to work" retort of the Republicans.

It's about equality - and a true liberals would see that the culture - using money (prestige of college, job and income level) and sex (looks, height, fashion, etc) - has created a steep hierarchy with a vast "underclass" of people who just don't measure up. There is nothing liberal about that.

ps. I don't care if this puts me in league with the religous right - not every issue is cut and dry. I don't have problems with the culture for the same reasons they do.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:33 PM
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59. I could give you a high five right about now.
You hit it right on the head.


DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toast:
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 07:45 PM
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66. But why does it have to be commodified?
Aren't the family values that Bush and company as well as mainstream America claims to uphold are marriage and monagamy? My husband and I are married to each other and have lots of sex. Why should I be treated by others based on what I look like? If I am upholding my (and America's) moral/social values, no other guy has a chance in hell with me so what does my sex appeal have to do with anything. I married a fellow college student because I was in love and I like smart guys. I never considered income or income potential because seeing how it was like when my mom married her second husband, a rich asshole, I knew that were much more important things when considering a man. My mother, bring a single mother for my early childhood, and succeeding also provided me with the idea that I could earn my own way too. Obviously with my experience, her single contrasted with her married to a rich man, I found the ideal of being able to make it on one's own to be a similiar condition. Like I said I got married, but it isn't for income, it for emotional support and a future family and yes, sex.
What good does it do to uphold sex appeal as the highest value of a woman if monagamy is also held as a high ideal? And why is sex appeal everything if many women choose to be monagamous?
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:36 PM
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60. Sounds like you need to get laid
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 05:56 PM
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62. You need...
to get laid and fast!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:22 PM
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63. The commercial that drives me out of my mind is the one for
Levitra - don't know if I spelled it right. That flirty babe coming onto the buck toothed guy who must have a million bucks to be getting any is the final straw. Wait, I take that back. Cialis (sp?) just came out with a commercial featuring people who would be lucky to get laid at the peak of their youth. No, wait . . . it's hiphop music that drives me really nuts when all the guys find it necessary to grab themselves every 10 seconds and the women appear to exist only to service the men. I think Janet Jackson's boob was the turning point when it came to hearing about sex. She's a middle-aged woman, that was a middle-aged mammary, who cares?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:35 PM
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69. I hate theViagra one with the guy who grows little horns
:puke:
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:23 AM
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70. It is unintentionally amusing
I think.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 06:56 PM
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65. No, I'm not sick of it.
If I ever do get sick of it please shoot me.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:03 PM
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67. Cool
Me? I'm sick of people conflating the shit I go through being gay with viagra commercials and TV titties.

When people talk about being gay, they're not talking about fucking they're talking about building their lives and their families. They're talking about job discrimination, property, health insurance issues and child custody. And personally, I NEVER see MY sexuality represented ANYWHERE. I only see lipstick lesbians making out w/ each other for the benefit of straight men and romance novel crap for straight women. And I see gay people fighting for their rights.

So if you're sick of seeing scantily clad viagra fantasy pills blame those folks who can legally marry, because the media doesn't record queer bodies (not that I want them to)
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