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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:54 PM
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Male insecurity and the bush


Thus, masculinity begins in escape—the perceived need to separate from a feminine identity. The main demands for positive achievement of masculinity arise outside the home, and those demands reinforce the boy’s need to be what his mother is not. In the hierarchical and rigorously competitive society of other boys, one categorical imperative outranks all the others: don't be a girl. Femininity is a “negative identity,” a part of the self that must be repressed. The manhood pursued through male rivalry is more than maturity, more than adulthood; it also includes a set of qualities customarily defined as masculine. Although masculinity is defined against its polar opposite, the identification with competence and power in a male-dominated world has made it seem to be society's norm for being fully human. Femininity is seen, not merely as deviance from the norm, but as a fundamental flaw—a failure, at the deepest level, to qualify. Pondering this reality, Simone de Beauvoir described the traditional form of femininity as “mutilation.”5

We are all consumers of images of manhood. According to these images a man is supposed to be: active; assertive; confident; decisive; ready to lead; strong; courageous; morally capable of violence; independent; competitive; practical; successful in achieving goals; emotionally detached; cool in the face of danger or crisis; blunt in expression; sexually aggressive and yet protective toward women. “Proving yourself” as a man can take many forms, but all of them are expressive, and all are variations on the theme of power.

When Henry Kissinger said, “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac,” perhaps the wish was father to the thought. Surely his pronouncement on the causal link between power and sex is only part of the story. If power is sexy, sex is also power. When men fear women and seek to dominate them, one reason is that they have learned to identify male sexuality with conquest. In another perspective, however, we can see the subordination of women as part of men’s nervous efforts to repress the “feminine” in themselves, to keep their manhood visible to other men. The deepest fear of all, embedded in a never-ending drama of male rivalry, is the fear of being dominated by other men, humiliated for not measuring up to the manly ideal. * * *

The heart of the ideology of masculinity is the belief that power rightfully belongs to the masculine—that is, to those who display the traits traditionally called masculine. This belief has two corollaries. The first is that the gender line must be clearly drawn, and the second is that power is rightfully distributed among the masculine in proportion to their masculinity, as determined not merely by their physical stature or aggressiveness, but more generally by their ability to dominate and to avoid being dominated. Both parts of the ideology contribute to the subordination of groups. This function is easy to see in efforts to express the gender line in sharp definition; the ideology of masculinity will be effective in assigning power only if those who are masculine are clearly identified. The second corollary of the ideology highlights the centrality of male rivalry. By making anxiety into an everyday fact of life, it leads nervous men to seek reassurances of their masculinity through group rituals that express domination over other groups. In combination these two beliefs purport to justify power by tautology, to ground the legitimacy of domination in domination itself.



This site where the above paragraphs are from
Says it's for use in teach-ins on the military’s policy.



http://www.law.georgetown.edu/solomon/Documents/Militar...
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:56 PM
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1. here's the right link!! (I think I got it now!)
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:08 PM
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2. I've always called it "little man's disease"
Dubya has a bad case of it and, friends, that is what makes him so dangerous. When he kept reminding everyone that he was the Commander in Chief I knew we were in trouble and I knew it wouldn't be long before he just had to start playing with his bright, shiny new toy: "The American Military". It comes complete with tanks, guns, rockets, jets, and many expendable Marines and soldiers. (body armor sold separately)
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 07:12 PM
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12. yes- no matter if he is wrong
He doesn't change his mind. The problem with the paragraphs above is that the philosophy can be (and often is) twisted until it is a very dangerous thing. It just begets violence and prevents any sort of diplomacy. We see it in this administration- it is beyond macho aggression. Bush does not waver (even if he is wrong) and that is somehow a good thing???
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:08 PM
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3.  Women in Nazi Germany

The Nazis had very firm ideas about the role of women in Germany. Hitler thought that the population of Germany had to increase for the country to become more powerful. Therefore women were forced to give up work and have children. Hitler reduced women's social activity to a purely biological purpose.
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German women failed to oppose the forces of history. Instead of insisting on all that they had accomplished during the Weimar Republic, German women let themselves be manipulated by Hitler and accepted their traditional role of a housewife.

Interestingly, many women supported the National Socialist Party because it urged returning to the family values of the past when women were encouraged to stay at home and concern themselves with taking care of the household. There were many women in Germany who felt burdened by their new political responsibilities and had the desire to return to this simpler way of life. As a result, during this period the number of women enrolled in the universities declined dramatically, and women were encouraged to drop out of the labor force, marry and bear children. Women were expected to stay at home and occupy themselves with their kids, home and the church - the echo of Kaiser Wilhelm's witticism. They were not supposed to work and there were even medals for women who had a large family. Three million women won a medal for having four or more children in 1939. It was thought to be particularly important to marry people who fit the physical ideal so that the German nation would remain pure.
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http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/weekly/aa080601b.htm
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:41 PM
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8. Kinder, Kueche, Kirche
Literally: children, kitchen, church. Sums up the fascist ideal woman.
:puke:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:22 PM
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4. So why did you post this?
What do you think about it?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:29 PM
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5. Because
I feel that men have been taught by men and women to a certain degree
to see themselves as entitled to dominate others ... While seeing themselves as victimized and powerless( it comes up when the dominant class are faced with the prospect of equality with all the others that means NOT being dominant over them).
Just like the fundamentalists who have a foothold in the whitehouse still complain they are persecuted and scapegoated by the real life minority persecuted and scapegoated poulations,who simply don't want to be bullied,beaten and dehumanized anymore by the dominator classes The dominators cry powerless while being able to manipulate the laws of the land to thier own favor at the same time.This is sick.
What causes this? The article offered some food for thought I thought.

When I see the downright archetypal things going on in the WH I wonder why.
I think this male insecurity issue has something to do with it.
Look at these recent non-issue issues:
Janet Jackson's wardrobe failure at the"superbowl"( a testosterone laden event,with male butt slapping men done by the players)
Justices breast is covered up.
Bush women are male accessories,yet they get nicknames like"round heels" which reinforces thier submissive ,objectified, recepticle of males role.

Lynne Cheney sitting offstage while the rest of the Cheny family congradulates itself on the relection.
And kerry posturing as a "strong man" to get votes(hunt down and KILL the terrorists comment) when in reality he may have lost because of his integration of his feminine qualities, like being a thinker who is not so agressive,"dominating and warmongering..as bush.


The desire of Bush to stop abortion and the way society ignores it was men signing the law limiting a womans choices and none of them have vaginbas but think they are entitled to tell those with vaginas what to do with them.
The refusdal of too many people to be capable of seeing abortion is about rejecting socially enforced dependancy, awoman's freedom being bound to a "breadwinner" (and witrh a defense of marriage act it would have to be a MALE breadwinner..
All the stupid sodomy crap,because like it or not sodomy is the only way a guy can be"fucked like a woman" and how men are made vunerable to rape by men,like a woman is by default..
Thge refusal to see gays as equal human beings to heteros, because machos maybe feel gay men refuse to be 'men' and allow themselves to be penetrated like 'women" (in the warped mind of these woman bigoted men).
Bush stuffing his crotch in the"mission accomplished joke,
The newest scandal with the military prostitute sorta"reporter..
The "defense of marriage act" and values reinforce a male dominated society where men rule and get the perks of domination and everyone else who isn't on top deals with thier inferior status.

This issue says something about the character and psychological flaws and issues that go unsaid in American culture that is made of American individuals who have issues.Some issues in people become national issues (or national non-issues we all struggle with but cannot deal with) because those issues are more pervasive in the population itself..It's issues that make the patterns and'problems' that get national recognition,get recognized or defended against as if it was a threat to"stability" of society..when in reality it is only a threat to the status stability of the domination system operating through a class of individuals with similar psychological problems.. It's a reflection of the struggles of sociological mental illness.

Bush and his ilk are very patriarchial ,part of it is overcompensation,part of it is that religion makes ecuses for certain behaviours that are sick, another is Bush and his ilk have the kind of personalities that identify them as lovers of games of manipulation, and of domination and submission.Winners and losers.

It also points to the sick pervasive psychological problem of domination,exploitation of others and this kind of sociopathy in our culture that is seen as"normal" even as it holds us back from the kind of society that would make life better for _all_.The article if used in a way that is self aware, can be used as a tool to undo some of the sick bigotry,pat excuses and stauds quo cruelty found in politics and religion that is arguing for the sickness of inequality, that wars and alot of other social ills spring from and how there are sociopathic elements still operating in the thinking of society itself acting as unseen underpinnings that are still active in politics and keeping the world in bondage to"strong man" leaders that are in fact charismatic bullies with no ethics or empathy.

This is why I posted it, I wanted people to think deeper.



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Haymare22 Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:40 PM
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6. Even power hon-gree politicians....
...cannot cope with a patriarchal system.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:38 PM
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14. Undergroundpanther, I am a woman, but
I don't have a "vaginba" either.

Tee-hee. Kidding. Couldn't resist... :hug:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:15 PM
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7. What a concise analysis! As a Woman, this is EXACTLY how I see it!
Having grown up with all Men, in a very macho environment, I've seen the very hatred and fear and isolation of everything Female from that strong-hold. And Bushco is a full-blown (no pun intended) version of this syndrome.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:54 PM
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9. Bush and his STEPFORD wife
Kind of explains the entire psychology for me.
It's a false male dominance thing....none of these men of BU$HCO are real men....they have no real manhood in their using women for an end....a figure.

Meanwhile....they go about jerking themeselves off with their other impotent and manless compadres.

Study Hitler....and you see the epitome of this lack of real manhood.

Remember the old expression....behind every great man is a great women....you won't find that as part of any of these scum bags.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:57 PM
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10. why i say, give me my girlie man any day of the week
over any of these manly men. i love my girlie man. more man than any man i have met
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:58 PM
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11. COME AGAIN?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:28 PM
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13. I'm a manly woman
or a womanly man...

An androgynous transperson.

I was born female but I never felt that way.
And I don't feel like a"man" either.
Tio me male and female both are traps on opposing camps.

What is gender,and why is it tied to biology for? How much of what we call gender is related to a place you get catogorized into from birth in the domination system?

I have no gender,in my life. I caught hell growing up for not being one,or the other..

So when I look at Bushco I see thier deep gender based hangups glaring and directing thier perceptions.I see it in thier social engineering.

For me gender is another pointless social control invention that gets imposed on people from birth no one questions it's reasons for existing for the most part(because they are not in pain from it, they fit into it's"norms" better or something?).

Some like me,rebel against the gender imposition.
For the gender rebels it hurts to be stuck in a gender box that others take as normal or the way it always is done..And some people like the gender system they actually find a feeling of certainty,securrity and self worth in creating an identity and think they can get thier entitlements from playing up the gender myth..These people have often domination and insecurity/possible trauma problems.

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 12:52 AM
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15. I hear you
I like dresses and nice clothing, but I also really like my power tool collection. I always amuse the guys at hardware stores - I know what I want and often have a better shop than they do. I am female without being particularly "feminine." I feel competence is more important than gender roles: do what you do well. And don't wuss out by blaming biology. I thank my grandparents for letting me be who I am, rather than forcing a "gender role" upon me. Papa started teaching me how to use power tools when I was 6.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:41 AM
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16. My father
was an asshole but I must say he was a kickass woodworker.Didn't have an asthetic eye for making stuff "beautiful"but he was skilled as hell at putting stuff together and he knew EVERYTHING about wood.You could show him a piece of crumbled bark and he's know what tree it was from..He was a modelmaker by trade.Had a shop to die for in the basement.
He had all kinds of funky woods.A lathe that could turn a 7 foot piece at one time,( that made doing fancy table legs and bedposts a snap)Had a planer set up outside,that could plne boards 3 foot wide,a big ass table saw,a killer scroll and of course a jigsaw. I used to go down there and build for my own amusement. I built a pyramid over my bed when I was 13..My sisters didn't take to the shop like I did.He was reluctant to teach me,but when he saw I was interested and had a good eye,and an inclination to "see" how things go together,he got over it and we had some good times down there.The few times we could tolerate each other was in the shop..

He had alot of tools you can't get easy now,like miterboxes with weird angles and routerbits that do amazing things I never see anywhere anymore. I got some of his killer tools when he died,the miterboxes, router stuff,the chisels and alot of the hand tools I still use alot.My mom sold some of his other stuff.(I wish she didn't have to).

I understand cherishing your tools and being proud of them.
Tools you use alot are like old freinds.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 03:45 AM
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17. So which family-values Republicans did Gannon have sex with?
???
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