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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:13 PM
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Poll question: Revisited: Worst President - Who...And If You Feel Like It...Why??
Ok, here is an expanded list. Worst Presdient Ever. Vote for your favorite (or, rather, LEAST favorite!) and if you feel like it, tell us WHY.

All on this list have a genuine reason to be on the list, in my eyes, and I'll share those with you...but, don't let MY opinions influence your vote...I sincerely wish to know who you hate the most, and why.

My reasons for nominating each to the list is as follows:

Chimpy: Do you really NEED a list??

Clinton: NAFTA, DOMA, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," Welfare Reform, extracurricular activities.

Poppy: Crap Economy, Telling families of MIA/POW's to "sit down and shut up," puking on the Japanese Prime Minister, family history and associations...

Reagan: Tinkle-Down Economics (as in...Piss On You, Poor People!!)

Carter: Gave back Panama Canal, Iran Hostage Crisis

Ford: Never-elected, pardoned Nixon, served on the Warren Commission...

Nixon: Watergate, propaganda, lies, cheating, election fraud, gave start to the political careers of guys like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc.

LBJ: Escalation of Vietnam War.

Ike Eisenhower: Did nothing about the Era of McCarthyism, and even encouraged it. Korea. Vietnam.

Herbert Hoover: Tanked the economy and brought on the Great Depression.

There ya go. There's some valid reasons for each of the people to be on the list of possibles. May the worst man win!! :P
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:16 PM
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1. Does Chimpy even count as a president?
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:21 PM
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4. if you count being a uniter as an attribute.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:21 PM
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5. No, just Resident....
And he is no longer allowed a tiny p in front of it.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:30 PM
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14. Does B count as President?
I should say NOT! The first time, he was "selected" and the second time, the GOP stole it, absolutely. He'll NEVER be my president!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:17 PM
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2. James K. Polk or Franklin Pierce
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:04 PM
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16. re: Polk, what do you have against Manifest Destiny?
give me that, or I'm going over there!

If it weren't for him, Zachary Taylor never would've been president, and it would've taken a lot longer time to get all those states away from Mexico
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:20 PM
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3. This is a no contest!
the current bush is the worst president of the past 100 years bar none. Ruin the economy. Ruin the military. Period.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:23 PM
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6. Playing devils advocate but why do you leave JFK off your list?
you mention extracurricular activities with Bill Clinton, but compared to JFK, Clinton wasn't even in his league. You mention LBJ and escalation in Vietnam--that began with JFK who was the ultimate cold warrior (Ike at least warned against the "military industrial complex") You want someone who wanted to go slow on civil rights? how about JFK?

And what about poor Carter? You hit him on two of his strengths. The Panama Canal Treaties were a major accomplishment and it should be reminded that he got all of the hostages home--alive and didn't have to provide arms for hostages.

Was JFK the worst president? No, W is the most horrible who I can think of. Of Democrats who were president in the 20th Century, I think JFK is my least favorite. But he was still head and shoulders ahead of most of the Republicans.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:05 PM
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17. jesus....what about Wilson? he was definitely one of the VERY worst
check him out
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:23 PM
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7. Your list is biased towards the twentieth century...
And most historians would disagree that the majority of those deserve the label "worst". You left off quite a few who SHOULD be on there.

Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan, for instance, who essentially sat idly and let civil war become inevitable.

Andrew Johnson, who tried to block the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment and Civil Rights Acts, among other things.

Ulysses Grant and Warren Harding, both of whom had tremendously corrupt and scandal-ridden administrations (does "Credit Mobilier" ring any bells? How about "Teapot Dome"?).

(My vote goes to Bush the Younger, by the way, but I still disagree with most of your list.)
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:24 PM
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8. You could throw in Buchanan
Who sat on his hands and did nothing while the country fell apart and the Civil War resulted.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:25 PM
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9. This Is An Incomplete List of The Worst Presidents...
The trouble I find with this list is that it's very incomplete. I think that to find a President worse than Buckaroo Bush, you'd have to go back well into the 19th century and look at jerks and boobs like Benjamin Harrison and Franklin Pierce.

My respect for James Earl Carter has mounted for many years. Carter brought a long-overdue measure of peace to the Middle East. Carter was wise to remove a obsolescent colonial irritant from Central America (example: Post Panamax--ships too large to go thru the Canal), although he could have prevented the hostage crisis by pulling US diplomats out of Iran months before the crisis actually happened.

Herbert Hoover was left a ticking time bomb by Cal Coolidge and it exploded on his watch. Hoover was at least fiscally responsible--something that Buckaroo Bush ain't.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:28 PM
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10. You are correct about Hoover (as well as Carter)
Hoover actually did more to alleviate the depression than any previous president before him--except FDR went even further. Hoover's problem was he didn't inspire people. FDR was open and optimistic while Hoover was dark and dour. While things certainly improved thanks to the New Deal it really was WWII which officially ended the depression.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:48 AM
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19. Well, I Only Get Ten Options...Can't List Everyone, Folks!!
A little surprised to see Carter beating Reagan.

No votes for Nixon is weird, too.

I figgered Bush Jr would completely run away with this and I was right. And I am not surprised.

Yes, I biased my list towards 20th century, because I didn't figger enough people here would remember beyond the 20th Century.

If I had to make my own Worst 10 list...this would be it...

1. Chimpy
2. Reagan
3. Nixon
4. Poppy
5. Hoover
6. Coolidge
7. Buchanan
8. Harding
9. Grant
10. John Adams (not John Quincy Adams, either)

Incidentally, John Adams makes my list for "The Alien and Sedition Act."

Honorable mention to Ike Eisenhower.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:29 PM
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11. Went with Dubya.
I think historians will make him third of the Harding / Nixon group of lame, corrupt Republican presidents.

Harding, Nixon, and Dubya were all three both politically and personally disastrous.

Democrat Franklin Pierce was politically disastrous, but personally seemed to be remarkable and inspiring. A terrible presidency by an evidently inspiring man.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 08:31 PM
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12. Ronald Reagan. n/t
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RoryKnndy Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:09 PM
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13. Reagan n/t
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 09:39 PM
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15. God, it's Bush Jr. by a landslide.
It's not even close. And Bush Jr. is only half finished, so imagine the scorn he will have earned after 4 MORE years.

Reagan was the Bush Jr. prototype. His presidency proved that the president could simply be a kind of spokesman for the Cabinet. Many of the same names were behind Reagan as well, of course- and they've been running that 1980's playbook from day 1 of Bush Jr.'s announced candidacy.
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:10 PM
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18. Chimpy. Duh.
I have never before in my entire life been ashamed of my country. I am now.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:53 AM
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20. Big Duh for Dubya.
He's more evil than Poppy or Raygun. Don't forget Dubya's full frontal assualt on gay people. Poppy and Raygun were bad in that respect too, but Dubya is just super bad.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:55 AM
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21. It's not even close anymore--more corrupt then Nixon-- a failure both in
foreign policy and domestically.
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