OH MY GOD HAVE THESE PEOPLE NO SHAME? Kurtz/ Gannon Forgiven

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

"People criticize me for being a Christian and having some of these questionable things in my past," he said. "I believe in a God of forgiveness."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36733-2005Feb18.html


Kurtz conveniently plays it up as though Gannon is being taken on for being gay OR being a prostitute rather than he and the puppetmasters that put him there are hypocrites and manipulators of the worst kind.

This statement could not have been MORE PLANNED than if it had came out of this week's prayer breakfast meeting.

(it's at the end of the article)

[RBHam]

1. What does Rove have on Kurtz?

Must be big, almost as big as the hammer he has over Wolf...

[LiberallyInclined]

13. it's not Rove who has the goods on e-v-e-r-y-f-u-c-k-i-n-g-b-o-d-y...

it's Poppy Smirk and his virginia farmboys.

but the way kurtz and wolf have been petting the bulldog is ridiculous.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. But whose got the goods on Poppy?

[Misunderestimator]

39. Is that a real picture.... If so... I have to go puke now.

[DoYouEverWonder]

41. I should have put a Graphic Content warning in the title

Yes, that really is Poppy with some beautiful 'spa' attendant.

Here's the original link. The pic is about half way down on the right.

Click on it for an even bigger than life version, if you can stand it.

http://www.dynaforce.com.sg/news_clippings.asp

[Booster]

48. I believe you're right and I also believe what Poppy has on

everybody goes back to the young boys prostitution ring that went on in Washington during Poppy's term. As an example, apparently Bob Dole has an aide go to the bank EVERY week to withdraw $8,000 in cash, which he says he needs for living expenses. Give me a break; nobody needs that much cash every week for expenses - at least not the same amount etc. Bob is paying off somebody big time. As a side note apparently this prostitution ring was operating out of Kansas - as my Repug friends would say "that's just a coincidence"; yeah, right.

[Blue_Roses]

2. Say you are

"born-again" and repent and all is forgotten:wtf:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Absolutely vomitous

and we need to CALL these people on using this as a catch all for anything they don't want to stick

[chookie]

26. How do they reconcile this?

Help me wrap my brain around this: How can the Party of Personal Responsibility ALSO be the Party of The "Forgiven"? What are their criteria of assessment?

"Gannon" thinks of the first half of 2003 as his PAST? And he's now 47. And we used to laugh at George W for referring to his 40th year as his "youth"!

Believe it or not, "Gannon" is making a bold play here that might well work out for him. He will get the hypocrites on the right to embrace him as a repentant sinner (because he is one of them in political ideology), and he will get the idiots on the left to back off because he is a "gay" and "free" that we accommodate and that we mustn't be hypocritical about. Mind you, it's okay for "Gannon" to be the most insanely hypocritical wacko in the universe and feel proud, but anyone who does not embrace this man's right to his "sexuality" should feel guilty about him -- no matter how outrageous, disgusting, and illegal his behavior is.

And you know what? He's going to get away with it. He at least is smart enough to figure this out, IF, in fact, he is not being advised by someone who profoundly understands such things, and I think we can guess who that might be....(Rove or Karen Hughes)

One of the most bizarre things out of this bizarre story I have seen is the first denunciation of this skank -- they say it is IMPOSSIBLE for "Jeff Gannon" to be a conservative Republican, because of his moral behavior, which makes him a Democrat, I suppose (HUH?) All of "Jeff's" writings and actions on behalf of this president, and his passionate denunciation of opposition to Bush, and the energy he put into destroying Bush's rivals -- which ALL THE RIGHT WING loved him for -- he was routinely praised by Rush and Hannity, and even got published by the AEI on the basis of the content of his writing -- but this guy is saying in spite of all this documentation, that he is not?

That's what you get when you live in a Manichean black/white good/evil Bush/Bad Guys world -- when someone who you idealize or idolize is found out to do something bad or skanky, you can't wrap your brain around it, and you ignore it, or try to make the claim that your opposition is being hypocritical, because their relevastic moral compass does not point as low "south" as they wish it would to embrace their moral monsters.

NOPE! I am immune to the entreaties of hypocrites. This man lives a life off the charts of my moral compass, and I utterly denounce him.

[tsuki]

27. I read nothing in the article that said he regretted his actions,

repented, or atoned. Just a bald statement. I am a CHRISTIAN. You are bad for questioning me.

[Mr_Spock]

49. Christians are allowed to eat people you know

Yes, it's true :D

[wildeyed]

31. Pretty much.

Convenient, isn't it?

[The Doctor.]

4. Gee... so so long as someone prays for forgiveness...

whether for being gay,
A prostitute,
A murderer,
A liberal,

They should be forgiven?

(Yes, that is a stretch - no one should be forgiven for being a liberal)

[BrklynLiberal]

22. They all love to pull that "forgiveness" card

Rep. Helen Chenoweth who, during her 1998 campaign, admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate but noted that "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it,"

[FlaGranny]

44. They only love forgiveness when

it applies to Republicans. Remember when Clinton said he prayed for forgiveness and asked his wife to forgive him too? It wasn't enough for Clinton. Forgiveness, in their narrow world, only is for people like themselves.

[troubleinwinter]

5. I have read every damned thing...

NOBODY EVER "critsized him for being a Christian". What a load of shit.

[w13rd0]

8. Yeah...

...between his "reporting" and the pics of him peeing, "Christian" is the last thing I've been calling him. What a tool this clod is...

[Old and In the Way]

6. Is this a rhetorical question?

;-)

Of course they don't.

It's the ultimate, get-out-of jail free card. Only applicable to Republicans, though.....

Religion is always the last refuge of scoundrals and hypocrites....Jimmy-Jeff qualifies on both counts.

[Goldeneye]

7. A prostitute is playing the Christianity card?

If its that easy, Clinton should've just gotten a crucifix tattoo.

[Corgigal]

9. this might be awful

Does Jeff/James know Kurtz?

Might be time to look at that too.

[R Hickey]

47. Kurtz sounds like he's one of Gannon's johns.

He seems to be putting up quite a spirited defense of Gannon in his writing. Maybe, for a change, Gannon will let Kurtz be on top.

[kikiek]

10. Shows how scared they are of this one. Trying to convince people that

there isn't anything to this. And that what is there isn't a big deal. Spending a lot of time trying to convince everyone of that. I think there are more paid and plants than we could ever imagine.

[DoYouEverWonder]

42. Actually it's all the prostitutes and gigolos

that they are really worried about.

[blm]

55. Yep. I'll never forget Woodward on Larry King saying NO STORY in Enron

scandal.

Woodward has LONG been a tool for the Bush family.

[NVMojo]

11. these people are truly morally bankrupt, remember these people

choose to ignore the seriousness of Abu Grahib, Iraq, Afghanistan and things like Halliburton, Cheney and the Bush family ties....

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

12. Frankly, I think Kurtz has a HARDON for Guckert...at least it seems so.

Maybe Kurtz is receiving a little personal payola from Guckert for his bottom-dwelling, excuse-laden, Repuke propaganda Wash.Post writing. "Reliable Sources" my ass...well, not my ass. ;)

JB

[sandnsea]

14. Totally weird coverup

Howie has been the worst, but the rest of the CM is desperately trying to make this about a legitimate news organization and a legitimate journalist with gay prostitution in his past. Poor misguided soul trying to turn his life around. They are avoiding the money connections on this fake web site completely. That has to be where the story is.

[merh]

15. Hmmmm, let's look at the time line

I. The "birth" of "Jeff Gannon" and "Talon News Service."

6/02 - registration of jeffgannon.com

11/12/02 - first article by Gannon appears at "Conservative Monitor"

1/1/03 - GOPUSA begins front page news coverage

1/15/03 - first Gannon byline at GOPUSA

3/29/03 - Talon News Service copyrighted

4/1/03 - Talon news coverage begins
Gannon obtains WH "daily pass"

6/03 - Gannon registers at Free Republic and begins contributing

Nov or Dec '03 - attends WH Christmas party for reporters

early 2004 - Gannon applied for Capitol press credential

4/7/04 - application denied (unanimous decision)

2/8/05 - identified as James D. Guckert at dKos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/12/33154/1450

[merh]

20. Looks like he was "escorting" at the same time he was "reporting"!

11/2004 Delisted
11/2003 Invalid Contact information.
Review #2, 11/12/2002

Escort's Name: Bulldog
Location: D C
Age: 31
when: 2002 Nov
Where did you find him?: This Site (M4M ER)
Publication:
Internet Address: USMCPT.COM
Escort's email address:
Escort's advertised phone number:
Rates-Time Only: $200 hour
Did he live up to his physical description?: Yes
Did he live up to what he promised?: Yes
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 190
Facial Hair: no
Body Hair: shaved
Hair Color: brown
Eye Color: green
(snip)

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/bulldogdc.html

==========
Of course we know that this one is still active.
http://www.studfiles.com/dc007.html

"While the site is no longer live on the Internet, archived copies of it show that it was live at the USMCPT.com address at least from October 31, 2001 until May 8, 2003. (This date is relevant since Gannon reportedly entered the White House the first time as a "journalist" in early April, 2003.)"
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/man-called-jeff...

[troubleinwinter]

28. Yup...

The prostitution site was up until May 2003. There are now photos of him in the WH press room in Nov. 2002.

Minimum 5 months.
Sorry we invaded your PRIVATE PERSONAL life, Ja...ooops..."Jeff".

[understandinglife]

16. Savior or shill: Howie to the rescue or Howie on the bottom?

It may be that Howie is just trying to keep the guy alive.

As I've posted elsewhere, I think gagman pulled the 26 Jan 2005 $hrubber press conference stunt (and the eager communication with DU to become the #1 punkneoCON shmuck or whatever that contest is called) because he may not have been ready to be a participant in one of those 'suicides.'

I think gagman's background (when we learn what it is) may well be sufficiently experienced in the ways and means of scrubbing those who have become unwanted annoyances, that he may well have detected that it was time for him to become 'hyper public.'

And, heck, he's succeeding and maybe Howie is into the "he's not heavy, he's my brother" compassion thingie and is trying to help the dude not find himself hanging from a shower rod.

Think about it. The fact that gagman is still alive is already an amazing story, imho.

Or, maybe Howie has other reasons to shield the gagman. Let's ask Howie.


Peace.


TBO;24/7

[merh]

17. self delete

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. Exactly, how do we know it's his past? Actions are as recent as

a year and a half ago.

And within MONTHS he's spreading propaganda knocking Kerry AND the gay community.

[merh]

25. Exactly - he can't claim it was in his past and he should be given

He was escorting at the same time he was reporting!
(I shifted so that the dates of his escort service would follow the time line with the dates of his articles and activities as a "reporter".)

And he even lies about his age on his escort web pages! He is a liar and he has not repented as is evidenced by his continued lies.

[merh]

18. So I guess it just depends on what he means by "my past".

Yesterday, last month, last year, 2003, 2002.

Youthful indiscretions do not explain his whoring. I hope the IRS goes after him for tax evasion. Most prostitutes don't pay federal or state taxes on their illegally obtained earnings.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. Weel first he did it for money from sex, and then for money from Repubs

[stanwyck]

23. "in the past"?

is Gannon no longer gay? Is he renouncing his inherent sexuality? Or just the prostitution? And when did his career in solicitation end? He seems, like Bush, to refer to youthful indiscretions. The real issue is the security issue. In a post 9-11 world, how did a man with illegal activities in his background, including tax evasion and prostitution, receive FBI clearance? A man with an alias received unusual access to the White House.
Who else?
Armstrong Williams. Maggie Gallagher. Jeff Gannon. The Swiftboat Liars Club.
Leslie Stahl is correct. There is definitely more here.
Who will be the first to talk?
You know there's at least one book in this tangle of spotlight seekers.
And the first to talk reaps the most cash.
I'm betting Gannon will talk. A lot.
Uncle Karl is going to need his Sominex tonight.

[Lorien]

51. Some of his sites are still active

"Gannon" is still trolling for Johns. Nothing "past" about any of it.

[Mandate My Ass]

24. No, Howie and Leslie "Wolf" Blitzer are preparing the "font" defense

while the remainder of the MSM coverage posits that bloggers are merely irresponsible, unaccountable leftist scalp hunters with hard-ons for anybody who leans even slightly to the right of them.

[CindyDale]

29. Mel Gibson type of Christian

Into Christianity because he thinks Jesus gives out licenses for pornography.

Gannon is narcissist who still can't stay away from media, was still lying to Wolf Blitzer even after his "reform."

[leftchick]

30. when did he take the websites down?

a couple were still running last week, yes?

[dsc]

32. Utterly unbelievable

I would be fired for the past Gannon has and the Bush White House would be leading the charge.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. I can't wait for the Press to ask Bush

did he have sexual relations with that MAN?

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[Shopaholic]

36. Here's Kurtz's e-mail--

tell him that we didn't buy the "invasion of privacy" excuse and we ain't buying the "Christian" excuse either. . .

[e-mail]

Two points here--
First, we did not invade the man's "private" life. We invaded his professional life, a professional life he chose to make public when he offered up his services, including a fee schedule, on the internet.

Secondly,
calling out the words "Oh God" while having sex does not make you a Christian.

[deutsey]

38. Good idea, but be prepared

to receive snide, self-serving rationalizations from Kurtz in response.

He's a real asshole, based on what I've seen of him and the brief email exchange I had with him a couple years ago.

[deutsey]

37. I am really getting very angry over this

These people have no shame...Kurtz, Gannon, Rove, Bush, all of them. There is no depth that is too low for these cretins to sink.

Can you imagine if half of what has been revealed in this sordid mess would have come out during Clinton's terms or if some Democrat was at the center of all this...can you imagine the media furor we'd have to endure from Coulter, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly, Kurtz, and other GOP talking heads?

I am so sick at heart over my country and what these assholes are doing to it.

[Shopaholic]

40. I just fired off an e-mail to him--

My third in three days. I've yet to receive an answer from him, nor do I expect to. But I want him to know we're on to his shit and that we aren't buying this load of crap he's trying to peddle here. I guess when wrapping yourself up in the flag fails, you just nail yourself to a cross and become a Christian Martyr for the cause. :puke:

[Career Prole]

43. I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!

"Why would they be looking into a person's sexual history? Is that what we're going to do to reporters now? Is there some kind of litmus test for reporters? Is it right to hold someone's sexuality against them?"
Guckert to Howie Kurtz

Because that is the name that I do my reporting under. It's not uncommon for journalists, authors, actors, to have pseudonyms.
Guckert to Anderson Cooper

HEY GUCKERT!! YOU ARE NOT A REPORTER!!
You may be many things to many people, but you sure as hell aren't a reporter!
:grr:

[bettyellen]

50. escorting is his fucking employment history, not his personal life.

I have met a few escorts in my day, among them an ex ms universe, a trannie and a very good looking young man who we kinda proud to see attend the Oscars with an old broad. Their job was to satisfy the old, wealthier but boring or hypocritical enough people who could or would not get their personal needs met in real life. In none of these cases did thier work a reflect their own desires. That's why it's work.
I thought I read that Jeff was an unpaid volunteer contributor for Talon... if so, wouldn't that make his escapades in the WH personal and his whoring work?

[VOX]

57. Guckert: "Is it right to hold someone's sexuality against them?"

Uh, MISTER Guckert, shall we talk about the proposed Ban on Gay Marriage Amendment? Shall we talk about the right-wing persecution of William Jefferson Clinton, MISTER Guckert?

:puke: :nuke: :grr: :puke: :nuke: :grr: :puke: :nuke: :grr:

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. For what Kurtz SHOULD be saying, see this article by Leonard Pitts Jr

It was linked to and discussed in this DU thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1608243

The article, available online from the Detroit Free Press and written by Miami Herald reporter Leonard Pitts Jr, can be seen here:
http://www.freep.com/voices/columnists/pitts18e_20050218.htm
Its title: "Do we need to define 'reporter'?"

Here is the end of the article:
....The thing is, a government that is not scrutinized by an energetic and adversarial press is a government that is not accountable for its actions. A government that is allowed to create its own reality is a government that can get away with anything.

So where is our outrage?

Frankly, the only thing more galling than the brazenness with which the White House abrogates the public's right to know is the sheep-like docility with which we accept it.

When the history of this era is written, people will wonder why we didn't challenge its excesses, why we didn't know the things we should have. If you're still around, remember the uproar you do not hear right this moment and tell them the truth.

Ignorance was easier.

However you define a "reporter," Mr. Pitts is clearly far more of one than Howie Kurtz with his position at the once-prestigious Washington Post.

I recommend reading the entire Pitts article and letting him know how you feel about his speaking out. His contact info is at the end of the article.

[DearAbby]

46. Okay..the AYE HAVE SINNED BEFORE you AND MAH LORD card

is being played...has nothing to do with the actions of this person, according to most Christians, even criminals repent and still have to face prison.

GuckGannon has to face what his actions had caused. And take responiblity for them. The "I have Sinned card" will not work here if done right. His actions violate law. The Actions of those that hired him violate law.

[Hissyspit]

52. "Religion last refuge of the scoundrel" n/t

[NYC Liberal]

53. Just because somebody forgives you

DOESN'T MEAN THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES!

[HR_Pufnstuf]

54. Dear Howard Kurtz.

Before you forgive someone, doesn't he have to stop the activity first? The escort sites are still live.

Second, this is his career we are researching, not his personal life.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/man-called-jeff.html

[VOX]

56. "I've made mistakes in my past" -- **EXACTLY** what * said about his DUI.

When it was disclosed during the 2000 campaign -- it's the standard Republican dodge!
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/03/bush.dui/
Bush campaign fends off truthfulness questions after DUI disclosure
November 3, 2000
<snip>
"...At the Grand Rapids rally, Bush made only an indirect reference to the controversy. 'I've made mistakes in my life, but I've learned from my mistakes'..."
<snip>
- - - -
But I guess that Clinton, or any Democrat for that matter, isn't allowed to learn from his or her alleged mistakes.

GOP = The Party of Undisputed Heavyweight Hypocrisy :puke: