Dean coming up on Blitzer; starting now.

[CentristDemocrat]

[Khephra]

1. Thanks!

:kick:

[CentristDemocrat]

2. *kick*

[MoonAndSun]

4. I'm at work, can you provide some feedback? thanks

eom

[Sean Reynolds]

5. I can.

They'll be talking about the debate and Lieberman's attack.


Hope Dean holds his ground and doesn't say something like, "what I meant to say......"

[Khephra]

Thanks...I'm sorta at work too

I'm free right now, but someone could call in at any time.

[cprise]

3. I don't have cable but

...KICK.

[bif]

6. Dean-Conyers?

Please.Conyers is just downright goofy.

[CentristDemocrat]

7. OH COME ON

[bif]

8. Hey, I'm from Michigan

and have heard him speak many times. He always sounds like he's had a few pops before he makes his speaches. Although, I guess the idiot in the WH sounds like he's had a few too.

[edward]

9. I'm from MI as well.

Conyers is one of most articulate congressman there is. You may be mistaking his speech pattern for inebriation. He tends to talk slowly sometimes.

[bitchkitty]

71. Goofy?

Where were you during impeachment? John Conyers is a hero, and he's not goofy at all.

[Cha]

10. So what the heck did Dean say?

[Sean Reynolds]

12. Hasn't been on yet!

[Wonk]

11. kick

[Sean Reynolds]

13. COMING UP NEXT

[Wonk]

14. kick

[Catt03]

15. Nancy Pelosi is helping to cirulate a letter to discount Dean?

Well.....ms Pelosi will surely hear from me.

The debate appears to be if the Mid east policy should be balanced. Obviously, Pelosi and Liberman believe that our policy should support only Israel.

[Cha]

16. Nancy pelosi is doing What?

oboy!

[madfloridian]

19. Where did you see that or hear it?

:hi:

[Demobrat]

17. It's 2:56. (That's almost six to you easterners).

WTF? Is he on or not?

[CentristDemocrat]

18. No idea, they put it at the end so people would sit through his crap show

I guess?

[CentristDemocrat]

20. What did he say? I guess I missed it.

[Sean Reynolds]

21. Interview OVER - Dean ROCKED.

Basically said Lieberman was WRONG and that he is only attacking because Dean is the top-dog in the polls right now. He went on to say that you must be a fair moderator if you're going to bring peace to the Middle East. Does not believe Israel should over-throw Arafat and now I guess Pelosi and Lieberman have a paper going around for members of congress to sign - telling Dean he is wrong. :eyes:

[Hawkeye-X]

26. Well, if Dean ever receives the letter, he should tell the Dems to..

GROW A FRIGGIN' SPINE and then burn the letter to ashes.

Hawkeye-X

[onecitizen]

28. I thought he did great........

defending himself. And, quite frankly, I agree with him on the issue. I thought Lieberman had a very snotty attitude last night. Kind of like he was too good to be vying for the same job as these other "lower tier" candidates. Almost like he thinks the nomination should be his because he ran with Gore in 2000. And while I'm at it, I bet Gore wouldn't choose him again!

[poskonig]

22. Yeah, as if Dean should be a *dishonest* broker.

These Lieberman fans are extra-strength DUMB.

[StandWatie]

24. I think it's bait...

I think Lieberman is hoping for some "dual loyaty" charge to make people feel sorry for him and mad at the mean, ole, Dean camp.

[Wonk]

23. mp3 here for those who missed it

1.8 M

[CentristDemocrat]

25. Appreciate it. <nm>

[Woodstock]

27. Thanks

:)

[RichV]

29. Thanks!

Watched the first part of Wolf, but had to go get groceries for dinner so I missed Dean's segment.

Are any sites archiving all these appearances?

[Wonk]

32. I just looked at blogforamerica.com and someone has already posted my mp3

in their discussion thread on this. http://www.blogforamerica.com/ (click on comments) :hi: Hi Rita, whoever you are :hi:

As to your question about anyone archiving all of these appearances, I don't know. I catch what I can.

[RamboLiberal]

38. That's me - guilty as charged

:hi:

[Wonk]

61. I found some more Dean video archives. Windows Media Player format.

http://deanforamerica.servepics.com:8000/Videos/

Download these to disk for best playback results. When I tried viewing one as a stream it kept pausing and re-buffering.

[phishhead]

30. Thanks for the hookup Wonk.

n/t

[RamboLiberal]

34. Thanks for the link - I think Dean had a very reasonable response

I was impressed by how well-versed he was on the subject. Lieberman ought to just join the Repug party IMHO. Too bad Gore chose him as VP candidate. He'd have been better off with someone else.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

40. Thanks Wonk!!

:)

[Emboldened Chimp]

60. Thanks, Wonk!

[HazMat]

31. Howard the Duck

Typical Dean: Attack, retreat, duck.

1.) IP question: retreated. Tried to soften his positon. Sounded apologetic. Attacked Pelosi for playing politics (way to go Dr, attack the Dem house leader), then claimed that others were dividing the Dem party. Ha !

2.) Claims of being the only white politician to speak in front of white audiences: avoided question, tried to switch topic, said people are just after him for his poll position. Wolf pressed on "but Governor, John Edwards (who grew up in the segregated south) has been speaking about civil rights in front of audiences of all types for years. We checked."
It should be noted that most, if not all of the other white candidates speak about civil rights in front of all audiences. John Kerry speaks about race, especially about race with regards to his Vietnam experience, in front of all audiences, and has fought for civil rights his entire career. His record and perfect NAACP rating prove it.

Ps. CentristDemocrat - Would your Conyers pic next to Dean be a shameless attempt to soften up Dean's image as the "whitey" candidate ? Kind of strange.. especially on the day when the Dean Camp is being criticized for their inablility to connect with the minority base. :shrug:

[Forkboy]

35. lol

who says stand up comedy is dead?

[bitchkitty]

72. Seriously! I thought

I was on a "parody DU" reading that post.

[Sean Reynolds]

36. Oh so now it's alright for people to attack Dean, but he can't play defens

Should he just sit there and act dumb?

[Cha]

37. So what if Dean "attacked the dem house leader"?

If she's wrong she's wrong.

And as far as the "speaking out on race"...All I can see is good!

This is now being brought more out into the open where it should be!
It's being talked about ..Glad Dean said it!

And I'm sure as much as you would like your suspicions to be true. I believe CentristDem is from Michigan ergo the Conyers next to Dean. :-)

[HazMat]

41. A Dem can't use that type of attack on the Dem House Leader

Pelosi is out there on the frontline defending attacks from the GOP, and she has to deal with Dean attacking her for playing politics ? That type of attack is meant to question her motives, to imply that she doesn't fight for everyone... the same type of charge the GOP would make against her. If Dean disagrees with her -- fine. But that type of attack against our House Leader only serves to undermine the party as a whole.

Then Dean has the nerve to clam that others are dividing the party ? Dean should spare us the false cries of "can't we all just get along" when it's Dean who is hell bent on destroying the party.

About the race issue: Yes, if Dean didn't talk about it, I'm sure it wouldn't be brought up. I'm sure Sharpton and the rest wouldn't say anything about it. Where would minorities be without their savior Howard Dean ? :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[newsguyatl]

49. i imagine

this is someone with a dual name... i can think of a few folks it probably is.


i'd be ashamed to make the senseless attacks and post under MY name, too...

[HazMat]

55. implying that I'm another poster -- another personal attack

but I suppose that's all the Dean supporters on this message board have.

It appears that the Dean Defense Facists are out and on-patrol, stomping, whining and crying down any and all opposition.

[HazMat]

53. I'm not interested in "message board elitism" and "post count"

I'm more concerned with the future of this country, unlike Dean supporters who, IMO, are extremely selfish and childish and only care about "sticking it" to the Democratic Party instead of nominating a candidate who can actually defeat Bush.

[Cha]

45. There's no talking to you with your skewed view.

[Cha]

47. Dean is standing up and making Democrats Proud again...

except for some, of course.

[frank frankly]

52. Explain "hell bent on destroying the party"

please explain that, but first define the democratic party. what is he destroying?

[onecitizen]

56. You HAVE to be kidding???? nt

nt

[Name removed]

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[HazMat]

54. Personal attack - implying that someone a Freeper is against the rules

Disagreeing with Dean doesn't make someone a freeper.

[CWebster]

57. "Howard the DucK"

That's what the freepers call him.

[Woodstock]

59. Check out what Pelosi did to Dean

from the blog:

I called Nancy Pelosi's office in California and the woman who answered the phone read me the letter. The letter was originated by someone else (probably Lieberman - LOL - I didn't ask) and just signed by Pelosi and I guess 12 others. Actually, it is rather obnoxious. It is addressed to Gov. Dean and does basically accuse him of wanting to change our position towards Israel, paints all Palestinians with the broad brush of sponsoring terrorism and denying the right of Israel to exist, and almost makes it sound like Dean is in danger of being on the side of the terrorists.

Now, that being said, Nancy Pelosi has been doing a GOOD JOB in Congress leading the Democratic Party. She even got a "Democrat with Backbone" award from Dean Nation a while back (I emailed and complimented her). So be respectful if you write or call. She may have just made a mistake. Lets not be guilty of the same tactics as the DLC - eating our own.

Call her CA office and ask them to read the letter. Maybe I'm wrong about it being obnoxious.

415-556-4862

Alta in Iowa

[CWebster]

62. PELOSI

Has ALWAYS been a whore for the Israeli lobby buck. She ain't known as a big fundraiser for nothing. It is as unethical as the corporate swine at the trough--just not as widely recognised.

[StandWatie]

64. it's not a mistake

She's absolutely radical about Israel and has a 100% AIPAC rating. I think she wrote that horrendous house resolution that said Israel was great and Palestinians were dogs.

[madfloridian]

70. Oh, Lordy, here you go back on ignore.

n/t

[stickdog]

73. Warning: Toxic Waste

Dump

[Woodstock]

33. Dean supports Israel

“The position I take on Israel is exactly the same position the United States government has taken for 54 years.”

[gully]

39. Dean supports 'peace'... N/M

[Enraged American]

43. Yes.

Dean supports peace. He doesn't support letting Israel decimate people whenever it feels like it. An Israeli life isn't worth any more than a Palestinian life.

Blitzer is a sleazy asshole, in case you haven't noticed. He personally hates any politician who isn't gung-ho about Israel and the Iraq war. We know what game he's playing. He tried to tear Kucinich to pieces in August.

[Cha]

44. Welcome to DU, Enraged!

:kick:

[Enraged American]

50. Thanks. This is looks like an amazing board.

No propaganda, very active, interesting.

[frank frankly]

51. Dean is very good

He's fearless.
He handled Blitzer.
He will handle Lieberman and Pelosi.
Why the fuck did Pelosi do this?

The more the rank and file democrats attack him, the more they show themselves.

[StandWatie]

58. he's subtle about it

He isn't stupid and he knows the middle east fairly well but I don't think there is any way in hell an Arab with a published ideological chip on his shoulder about the subject would be allowed to go at the issue on any network with the pretense that he is an impartial interviewer.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. God forbid!

[Gloria]

63. I may be wrong, but isn't what Dean is saying

about the ME the same as what Clinton did? Clinton repeatedly has said that the US has to be an "honest broker." He brought the two sides together in face to face meetings. He didn't try to overthrow anybody.

What is Lieberman doing? And for Pelosi to sign on to such a letter....so, they're rejecting 8 years of Clinton's policy in the ME for who's policy?? Bush's???

I don't get this at all. Am I wrong on the way I'm seeing this?

[cprise]

66. The Dem leadership has an unofficial job

...especially after having the Republicans *and* the media gang up on Bill Clinton:

That job is to:

1. Keep the Republican's social extremists in-check for them.

2. Make sure the policies of the Cato Institute are sufficiently candy coated before they're ratified (but make sure they pass)

3. Prevent another Leader like Bill Clinton

[shance]

68. Youre not wrong at all

Pelosi, Lieberman and all those involved with this pathetic letter are.

What amazes me is they are totally unaware of the fact that they themselves are behaving like racists and seem to actually condone the massive abuse and neglect of the Palestinians.

I dont understand their extreme behavior on this either, other than the fact that any fundamentalism will breed cruelty eventually.

That is what is happening in Israel right now. The fundamentalists have taken over there just like they have here. Sharron is a fanatic like any other.

Lieberman and Pelosi and Berman (whoever else) are acting like a bunch of crusading twelfth century Christians. Its absolutely assinine. And lacks any sense of statesmanship and logic.

I have a feeling it is the environment in D.C. that is bringing out the absolute worst in these folks.

[kodi]

65. joe L & pelosi want democracy in the democratic party, just not too much

it is apparent to anyone to whom god granted even a gopher's brain that the regular, insulated democratic pols are scared shitless about an insurgent dean and what it bodes for these power brokers in the party.

massive grass roots organizing by dean has the realistic potential to replace a lot democratic leaders who run the state and national parties with less well heeled, less "bought-and-paid-for" activists.

this was the threat that worried many of these same dems about al gore and his populist rhetoric and potential grass roots movement one year ago, so they undercut him in the press and the major money bags nodded "No" to him.

these same dem pols were able to stop gore and his attempt at a grass roots movement so as to retain their power, but here comes dean, doing essentially the same thing, and now the dem pols are freaking out because they thought they had this insurgency thing stopped cold.....and now, they are having to use a completely different set of rhetorical messages and narratives to stop dean.

its funny, because soon they will rue the day when they dissed gore, because "better the devil you know (gore) than the one you don't (dean)."

too cute by half have the dems in leadership acted, and now it catches up with them and will perhaps devour them.

one can only hope so.

[nomaco-10]

67. Great post. Completely captures dem "politics as usual."

[cprise]

69. That was a very knowing comment...

its funny, because soon they will rue the day when they dissed gore, because "better the devil you know (gore) than the one you don't (dean)."

But they thought they could go all the way with their plutocracy, so why tolerate even Gore?

And this time around, we're listening to the press far less.

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