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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:27 AM
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Armstrong Wiliams is gay too?
Digby says he was sued for sexual harrassment by his male assistant. True?

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Not that there's anything wrong with that....EXCEPT IN THE BUSH ADMIN!
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:29 AM
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1. better link.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:29 AM
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2. Yes, and link to story
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:33 AM
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5. Love your site.
Can't believe any of this...What about pro-marriage Maggie Gallagher?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:30 AM
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3. Nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy.
And these guys are up to there chins in it.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:35 AM
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7. Not at all
And if QueerDay is running the story, I think it's OK.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:32 AM
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4. Is James R. Bath gay? By the way where is James these days?
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:34 AM
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6. Who he?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:36 AM
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8. bush buddy from the TANG days...
he knows where * was during the AWOL period.... and has been rewarded by bushco for his silence.
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:38 AM
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9. I was sorta hoping
That the CBS story would get mentioned on Bill Maher last night, but I guess it was implied, given Leslie Stahl's presence.

Do you think they're investigating that over there?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:45 AM
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10. Investigating what?
The TANG, and aWol?

There is a mountain of proof that he simply didn't show up, and didn't deserve to be let in. The focus of the story was cleverly shifted from the evidence and the confession of the then Lt. Governor of Texas, to Rather not checking his sources on the memo.

It's a shell game.
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:49 AM
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11. who made the memo
Who planted the memo
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:59 AM
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13. Not Rather
He simply didn't bother to check his sources. I believe that the guy who originally was supposed to have given the memo to Rather was a guy who had a personal grudge against aWol for some time. The memo was originally a side note in the story. When it was first broadcast the story was mainly an interview with the then Lt. Gov. of Texas who claimed to have pulled quite a few strings to get aWol out of Vietnam. That was forgotten when the shit hit the fan about the memo.

It is always a game of shift the focus, or kill the messenger with this admin. When they don't like the message they just start throwing firebombs at the person who delivers it.
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:32 PM
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16. Gannon gannon gannon
not a side note...
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:59 AM
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14. delete - dupe
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 12:00 PM by LostInAnomie
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:00 PM
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15. And how did that guy on FreeRepublic happen to know so much about
late 1960's type set within a 10 minutes of their release.
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:51 AM
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12. I Wonder if He's Still Sucking Air
Wouldn't surprise me to find out he's been 'missing' for some time.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:41 PM
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17. And the gay "witch-hunting" continues...
I see. Sigh.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:57 PM
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19. I see nothing wrong with exposing the Vichy bastards.
If they are take part in lambasting homosexuals, and supporting bigots for their own financial gain they deserve a taste of their own medicine.

Expose them.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:01 PM
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21. Oh, I agree!
BURN them at the STAKE! :eyes:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:05 PM
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23. Is Rove gay? Is Williams gay? Is Bush gay? Is Scott gay? Is Ari gay?....
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 02:07 PM by ultraist
Is Rush gay? Is Cooper gay? Is Drudge gay?

It sounds like Jr fucking High around here. 'Omg, omg, is he Gay?'

Talk about getting diverted.

The person who hired Gannon may well NOT be Gay.

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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:48 PM
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18. Williams, Drudge, Gannon
Andrew Sullivan, Rush Limbaugh (aka Jeff Christie)....Sulllivan seems to be comfortable with his sexuality. The others are struggling and it's got to be doubly hard since they're reknowned conservatives. And the Bushies like the gay men/women who don't actually act gay. Or keep it very discreet and "straight". Like Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter or the serially married Limbaugh. Plus, it's more of a stigma for gay men. Gannon showing up on the gay sites, naked, is just the kind of gay guy the Bushies find scary. You know, he actually conjures up those images of what gay people actually do: have sex. Gay conservatives are supposed to be Ken dolls. Not anatomically correct.
There no doubt are others. I agree with Leslie Stahl (on Bill Maher's show last night) and Maher himself. There's more here. Someone was clearly helping Gannon. Whether that was purely for political advantage or out of an intimate relationship -- or both --we'll find out.
Someone in the White House was/is very friendly with Gannon.
It's only a matter of time before he talks.
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:00 PM
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20. I don't think they find Gannon scary
They want homosexuality to be closeted. It's more exciting.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:56 PM
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22. Who cares?
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 02:47 PM by Jack Rabbit
EDITED for grammar and typing

For crying out loud, the scandal here is about who controls the media and whom is journalism supposed to serve, not about who is and isn't gay.

The discussion we should be have having is about the role of "the media" ("the press", "journalism", "the fourth estate" or whatever noun with which one wishes to denote it) in a democratic society as opposed to the one that it in fact serves in contemporary American society.

The function of a free and independent press in a democracy is to inform the public. In this respect, a journalist is little different than a scientist. He goes out in the field, gathers facts and reports them, letting the chips fall where they may. Other journalists, often called "opinion journalists", may string these fact together and present a theory. This is not to suggest that opinion journalism should be an ideological echo chamber; that would serve us poorly. A wide range of opinion, from Noam Chomsky to Charles Krauthammer, is desirable.

Free and independent is often meant in terms of the government; some believe that as long as the government does not censor the press, it is free. However, the press in order to serve its proper function in a democratic society must be free and independent of any power structure, public or private. Science ceases to be science when studies are censored by their sponsors; journalism ceases to be journalism in exactly the same way.

If journalists are only allowed to publish facts and opinion that serves the interests of those who sign their paychecks, then it is propaganda, not journalism. If those in power seek out those who support their point of view in a effort to drown out dissenting voices, then that is merely a censoring device.

The media in the last quarter of a century has been placed in fewer and more homogeneous hands. On television, where most Americans get their news, a corporate slant on news prevails. This is often extended to a soft critique of political figures favored by those who own both the transnational corporations and media outlets, such as Mr. Bush today or President Reagan twenty years ago. More than a whimper of dissent at obvious gaffs and misstatements of fact from such leaders is not permitted. Meanwhile, the personal foibles of less favored leaders are allowed to grow into governmental crises. Even when lies are told about those leaders less favored, there is only a feeble effort to refute them. Indeed, when the favored political leaders tell lies of any kind, such as those that promote their programs and initiatives, there is little effort to refute them.

The crisis of modern American journalism has become acute in recent years due to the willingness of Mr. Bush and other members of his administration to lie and deceive in order to get their way. There was information available prior to the Spring of 2003 that challenged the administration's case for war against Iraq. This was available mostly on the Internet on the sites of foreign media, such as the BBC and the Guardian Unlimited, as well as traditionally liberal and progressive publications, such as The Nation and The Progressive, new sources that have come into being with the advent of the Internet, such as Salon, and in the alternative media, such as Pacifica Radio. However, this information was not seen on television or in major newspapers. Anyone who was restricting his news sources to CNN and The New York Times during the run up to the invasion of Iraq was most likely as misinformed as if he got all his information from an unabashed propaganda outlet like FoxNews.

The corporate owners of the media are not the only ones restricting information and opinion. We now see that the Bush administration itself has gotten into the "news" business by hiring a public relations firm to produce fake news reports to promote the administration's Medicare initiatives and has given payola to media pundits to promote their education programs without disclosure. Now we have this case where a journalist with no real experience was given favorable treatment by the White House press office because, so it seemed, they knew he would ask softball questions barbed with partisan invective.

Karen Ryan, Armstrong Williams and Jeff Gannon are media whores. Whore is the right word. By taking money from the White House or Mr. Bush's friends to promote the administration's point of view, they have prostituted themselves.

It doesn't matter that any of these people have a secret, seedy life that isn't in line with the virtues promoted by the administration in its messianic aspect. If Jeff Gannon were not a homosexual pimp and prostitute, he would still be a media whore. While I am personally offended at Mr. Gannon's secret life, it is a red herring to the important matter. His behavior in service of the Bush administration, as well as that of Ms. Ryan and Mr. Williams, undermines the mission of journalists in a democracy.

It is not the secret lives of media whores that needs to be discussed, but the undermining of democratic institutions by modern American journalism.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:17 PM
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24. Exactly!
Furthermore, the person who hired Gannon MIGHT NOT be Gay. They didn't hire him for sex services, they hired him to be a propaganda plant.

The motives of who hired him are not as relevant as the the fact that he was hired. I really don't give a shit what the person who hired him was thinking (ie his my lover I'll do him a favor and give him instead of someone else this job or he's easy to use up because he has a tainted background).

The obsession on the Gay component is creating a tunnel vision. THE PERSON WHO HIRED HIM MAY NOT BE GAY. WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEIR MOTIVE WAS FOR CHOSING HIM AND NOT SOMEONE ELSE. We need to know WHO hired him., it may have been a straight person.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:34 PM
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25. Checkmate!
GOOOO Jack Rabbit!!!! :yourock:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:57 PM
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26. Thank you both
What really bothers me is by obSessing on the seedy side of the story, we are playing into the hands of those who would use the media as a tool of thought control rather than information.

Of course, it sells soap.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:03 PM
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27. I agree, "press whore" is the best way to go.
Calling Guckert, Williams and others on their 'gayness' is a double edged sword. While hypocrisy may be exposed and religious prudes will likely drop support for their beloved Bush-Christ, one must become a bigot in order to take this position.

'Man-whore' he may be, but Guckert's professional activity as a 'presstitute' is the real issue.
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