Another day, another "Pile on Dean" extravaganza.

[haymaker]

Nice circular firing squad.

Hey Karl Rove, look no further, your talking points are right here. Come and get em.

[joeybee12]

1. Yup, the Dems are doing Rove's job for them

It's one thing for the candidates to point out others' differences, it's another when it's an orchestrated job with talking points from the DLC.

[ShaneGR]

52. Up until yesterday I didn't have anyone on ignore

I now have six people. The board is a lot better this way. I get all of the Bush bashing and very little of the petty dem attacks.

[FlashHarry]

2. Same Old Shit.

Lefties versus Centrists. Idealists versus Pragmatists. I'll say one thing; we don't march in lock-step!

[CMT]

3. it is just making us stronger

in the end if Dean is the nominee, 99% of the people on DU will vote for him. My resolve and support for the man is as strong as ever.

[vi5]

4. But if he's not the nominee....

Will you vote for whoever is? That is the question.

I'm a Dean supporter who has the distinct feeling (or fear) that many of my fellow Dean supporters will not and blame it all on the DNC or the DLC or some other such thing.

[CMT]

11. I don't get this feeling at all

There have been polls on DU which indicate that Dean supporters will support the eventual democratic nominee. I question if some supporters of other candidates who are daily attacking Dean rather than writing anything positive about their candidate will vote for Dean.

[w13rd0]

19. Not from this Dean supporter...

...let's be "frank", shall we? Gore played some pretty dirty pool in regard to both Dukakis and Bradley, but I voted for him. I could vote for any of the nominees, even those I "personally" despise, because I want to deprive Bush another 4 years to advance his extremist agenda. Yes, I have "my guy" that I want to see in the White House, but every candidate brings important facets of the debate to the table, and any one of them would be a better President than Bush...

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

37. Remember, Dean told us his people weren't "transferable"

If that wasn't a threat by the Dean campaign that they would sit out any other Dem nominee, I don't know what is.

[TLM]

41. No I don't remember that....

cite the quote.

[Capn Sunshine]

47. It wasn't a threat, it was an observation

he's as mystified by the phenomena as anyone, he just stated he didn't expect they would all move on to someone else just because he endorsed them. Hardly a threat where I come from.

But nice try WCTV.

[Pastiche423]

5. Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean!

I am still cracking up at Kerry's oopsie daisie.

If Dean were getting as much warrented attention as say, Edwards, no one would be saying a thing.

GO DEAN!

[Khephra]

6. It's interesting to watch people who support candidates who made

the worst mistake in decades--that of voting for the war--pick apart Dean's comments and find in them things he's not even saying.

Dean could FU in a major way every day between now and the elections and he still wouldn't come close to having made a mistake as big as that of "trusting" Bush and voting to give him a blank check.

[JohnKleeb]

12. cant say that about my guy

can you :)
lol in a pretty cheerful mood this wednesday afternoon the only bad thing lol that happened isnt political. Sorry about the bashing, really must be hell, been there many times at least with my candiate. Best of luck.

[Khephra]

20. As you know...I like Kucinich. I like ANYONE who went against

the tide and spoke out when it wasn't cool to do so. Dean, Clark, Kucinich, Sharpton, & maybe Carol Moseley Braun? (I know she's anti-Bush/Anti-War, but I don't know if she spoke out earlier...) They're all alright by me.

[JohnKleeb]

24. I knew that man just checking up

on you lol
Glad you are cool with him. Kucinich has a history of this actually, you know the story of him being mayor of Cleveland? well you as a dean supporter know that the Governor had to wear a bulletproof vest, so did at the time Mayor Kucinich. I would find it very laughable when Dennis gets the nod that Bush tries to paint him as inexperienced, although hes not the man in the white house, Congressman Kucinich technically has more foriegn policy experience than Bush and more general experience too, Bush by the time he is in the debates will had been in politics 9 years, Dennis will had been in it for about 11 I think by then. Keep in mind, he has a big tendacy to come back which keeps me very opotmestic, and I am gonna say, this man ran for City Council as a 21 year old! He put himself through school. At intial glance one may say a Kucinich supporter supports him soley because of the issues, I do like Kucinich a lot because of the issues you betcha, but I have plenty of others, he stands up for whats right, he is a man who represents imo the soul of the party, and you gotta love a self made man. The following isnt a big issue but its something I like and its neat being that I also ancestry wise I am from the same area, Kucinich is a Croatian name and my great grandparents were Slovenians. Not a big deal but you remember in the godfather, "the fact the sisoros came from the same part of Sicily meant everything to my mom" Sorry for the lengthy post. Just my 2 cents.

[Mass_Liberal]

48. Me too

Kucinich is a great guy. I am a deanie, but I respect what the guy has to say, and call out anyone who bashes him. We progressives need to defend eachothers candidates against bashers, not just our own. All dems need to wait for the general election to start bashing.


Peace :kick:

[Woodstock]

39. THANK YOU!!!

I'd rather my candidate stumble over a word or two than a dead body or two - or 8,000!!!

[TLM]

42. Oh well said....

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

7. Cry me a river

Dean has already flamed out. Peaked. Whine all you want, but he was exposed in the debate.

I'll vote for the adult - Kerry.

[joeybee12]

15. Cry your own damn river!

I've gone over to the "dark side" (to Dean, from Kerry) because Kerry is the one lacking thoughtfulness and responsibility--true attributes of an adult.

This bashing is good news. Also, even Wm. Saletan of Slate (who is hardly a Dean fan) gave him great praise--face it, even the media are catching on. Kerry is starting his slow slide into oblivion.

[GalleryGod]

25. Another Chance to Build My "Ignore" List!

:bounce: Many thanks, Neophytes:nopity:

[poskonig]

31. Kerry has no foreign policy credibility.

He opposed Gulf War I and supported Gulf War II.

The Republicans will eat him for lunch on this.

[Arugula Latte]

46. Ha ha ha

This is amusing. "Flamed out." Where are you getting your info. -- Fox? When Dean's fund-raising prowess is revealed in the mass media at the end of September, let's see if you think he's "flamed out" by then. That is not even taking into consideration the pure numbers of people who are enthusiastically working to get him elected. I see signs of it everywhere I turn (people wearing Dean buttons in public, etc. -- not insignificant if you think about what that represents).

[ScreamingMeemie]

49. Oh please. I don't want this to come off as a bash. Kerry, the adult? Who

led people to believe those were his medals. I know he never said they were, but then he never said they weren't, and got a good photo op out of it. This concerns me. He lets members of his own entourage think he's Irish, makes comments on it to his constituents? My 5 year old tells these kind of fibs when he wants to impress someone, and I'm hoping he'll grow out of it. I'll vote for him and support him wholeheartedly if he gets the nomination, but I don't think I would call him more mature. He does not come across as a man who is willing to work for me and my interests. I'm very sorry.


A kinder gentler message, brought to you by, Laura

[clar]

8. Your credibility is lacking

You countenance nothing but slavish devotion. Even the the mildest and most reasonable criticism sends you flying off the handle. Please, get a grip, and stop trying to shout down those who don't agree 100% with you. Stifling dissent is undemocratic.

[haymaker]

30. Slavish devotion?

I'm back in the undecided column, so there.

[no name no slogan]

9. Boo Freakin' Hoo

It's called being the "frontrunner". If you are the frontrunner, you are the natural target for ALL competitors.

If Deanies are whining over how their fearless leader is getting treated now, just wait until over 40% of the population even KNOWS there are democratic candidates running in 2004.

Sheesh. :puke: It's called "politics as usual". Get used to it.

[Patriot_Spear]

10. Attacks on Dean are just a manifestation of impotent fear...

...we move forward- they give ground.

No more compromising with moral cowards and beltway insiders; Join, get out of the way or be steamrolled- these are your only choices.

[FlashHarry]

13. Or should that be, 'someone knew?'

:hi:

[PurityOfEssence]

21. Okay, I'll take "steamrollered"

Those are my choices, huh? Fall in and march in step, shut up and be gone, or be crushed by the righteous phalanx of moral superiority?

According to your heading, the only reason one could possibly question anything he says or does is cowering penisless fear. You sound like a republican. There are other reasons to question what he says, and they don't all stem from fear. Apparently, he knows what is best for us all, just like a pompous physician, so he's just going to do what he damned well pleases. I hope he learns to listen to SOMEONE. We'd better speak out against the steamroller now, or we'll be lucky if he deigns to let us hold a banner for him once elected.

But that's just me; I represent the DEMOCRACY wing of the Democratic Party.

[Patriot_Spear]

23. You're hysterical... take a deep breathe, calm down...

My point was about the momentum of the Dean campaign; that's all.

It sounds like you have some issues over Dean's success- I hope you can come to grips with it through reason.

[PurityOfEssence]

26. marginalize all dissenters

By trade, I'm a bit of a warrior and tend to stay quite calm. I'm neither panicking nor allowing emotion to trump rationality; I'm merely deriding juvenile premises. You're using nauseating tactics and deserve some uppity disobedience.

I'm annoyed by his tactics much more than by his success. So, much as you re-enter the fray to dismiss my treason to humanity as a form of jealousy or mental illness, I respond by highlighting your backhanded use of greasy subtext.

Some are happy enough to just win; others need to say "nyah-nyah" to the defeated.

Hey, and besides that, sanity's not all it's cracked up to be...

[Patriot_Spear]

28. Like I said, you're overreacting....

You said it yourself, you're "annoyed". Clearly it's more than that. 'nuff said.

Have a nice day, 'warrior' ...lol.

[sandnsea]

14. Whaaaaa! wawawa Whaaaaa!

sniff sniff sniff They're picking on Dean again!

:puke:

[haymaker]

27. Hehehehehehe

Good one.

[BurtWorm]

16. My advice to my fellow Deanies.

Chill out!

[Ellen Forradalom]

17. I'm a Deanie and I'm not concerned

Dean's a big boy. He can take it. All the better if his mettle is tested now.

BTW, I would definitely work for the nominee, whoever he or she may be.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. Buy windex in bulk

Dean's been rock throwing at fellow Dems from day one. It's inevitable that they'd get fed up, and it's inevitable that the front-runner would take some heat.

Not a day passes on this board without many new revelling-in-Dean threads being started; there's a huge sweep of sheer volume coming from his people here. How can you possibly feel put-upon? He's not a shrinking violet who's being unfairly taken to task.

We have the right to question, and you have to obligation to coexist.

There is a constant subtext of dismissal and goading coming from him and his camp. He uses sweeping statements to dismiss the others that simply don't hold up to scrutiny, and his supporters often take the rhetoric to galling extremes. The tone of this "another day of the philistines persecuting us" doesn't work when you're the majority; it's as ridiculous as fundies saying that Christianity is persecuted in this country.

We have the right to speak out for and against candidates, and we have the obligation to each other and the world to try to get it right. There are only about 20 weeks now to figure out who the standard-bearer will be, and to determine that, there's going to be some scrapping. It should be so.

You are NOT the cruelly wronged party in the overall discourse, so take heart that you're doing very well, and learn something from all this.

[haymaker]

32. Talk about galling extremes.

Yeah, that's it, Dean supporters feel persecuted. Got it.

There is another group in the great land that screams that their opposition is doing exactly what they themselves are doing. Their name slips my memory.

[JohnKleeb]

33. dont flame me but from what I observe in DU polls

Dean seems to be number 1 and dont worry about I feel your same pain with persecution and all. Look at my avatar :).

[haymaker]

35. I happen to love Dennis Kucinich,

he is quite probably the bravest of all. And you can bet your sweet ass I'll be supporting him if he is the winner. And I might still cast a California primary vote for him.

Again, though, Bush is the front-runner.

[JohnKleeb]

38. why thanks

I am just saying well I kind of at times feel a wee bit persecuted myself. Seeing my guy be called a loser and the like is really gonna make me explode. BTW thats good, glad to see you arent jerky like some are.

[bearfartinthewoods]

51. We have the right to question, and you have to obligation to coexist.

what an outstanding summation of the situation!

[sangh0]

22. Another day, another Deanie whine-fest

and pity parade.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

36. lol

[haymaker]

34. My point was.........

Some of you act like Dean got a head-job in the oval office.

Ease up, it's still early. You've got your microscope out looking for a pimple on the guy for chrissakes.

Dean did not strap on a bomb and blow up a cafe. He did not raze the trees in Yosemite. He did not slaughter thousands in the dark of night from 50k feet. He did not hijack any planes and crash them into the ground in Pennsylvania.

Some perspective, please.

And one more thing, he did not vote to give George Bush the power to make war when he pleases, and he did not practice his oragamy skills on the Constitution by voting for the Patriot Act, either.

Oh yeah, Bush is the front-runner. Derrrr!

[w4rma]

40. And the utter tripe that the Dean-bashers throw is getting to be more and

more and more both hypocritical and ridiculous. At least Dean supporters know and accept that our candidate isn't perfect. But, some of the Dean bashers here seem to think that their own candidate *is* perfect. Why do I say this? Because of the smears they use, which could, many times, just as easily apply to their own candidate.

It's overboard, IMHO, and it's getting harder to find relevent information on DU because of all the grasping at straws bashes.

[no name no slogan]

43. Yes and no

I agree partially that some of the accusations are tripe. But some of them are just trying to expose the truth about the candidates.

In particular, there are a lot of progressive activists who feel burned by Dean's anti-Iraq-war stance, but weren't aware of his governing record or his stance on other important progressive issues (like Israel/Palestine, health care, the environment, gun laws, etc). Dean has even admitted that he's not a liberal-- which may be a suprise to many who projected on him the mantle of the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party". Prospective supporters should be aware of these things, especially if they disagree with the candidate on other very important issues.

The candidates should be held accountable for what they've supported in the past, and for what they've said. We should demand explanations and hold them accountable for what they've said and done.

[bearfartinthewoods]

44. whine whine whine

it gets tiresome. day in and day out. the wailing and lamentations of the Dean camp (and others)whenever their feathers get ruffled.

this is a discussion board and one of the things we get to do is discuss misgivings we may have about any particular candidate.

and for those who want to call rove into this, if your guy can't take this primary heat, he'd better get out of the kitchen before the general./

[WilliamPitt]

45. Enough of this wining

heeheeheeheehee...

[John_H]

50. Dean can hack this, believe me.

And if he can't, just think what Chimpy will do to him in the general!