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The Sheik Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:50 PM
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Rev. Fred Phelps praises Howard Dean and asks to join executive team.
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/fliers/feb2005/Howard_Dean_Letter_2-14-2005.pdf

There is a letter that Rev. Fred Phelps wrote to Howard Dean asking to be able to join Dean's team in order to complete Deans wish of reaching out to Evangelical voters. Phelps claims he would be a good outreacher and that he wants to aid Dean gain votes.

What do y'all think?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:51 PM
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1. Dean should tell him to "go to hell" in a public forum
"fuck off" might be a bit too strong.
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The Sheik Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:53 PM
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2. Well, Phelps does have a point that he could be a good evangelical to have
on the team, judging by the fact that he hates Bush as well.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:02 PM
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8. Thank you Rev. Phelps but I have been
considering speaking to Jim Wallis. And asking him to join our team but we would appreciate all who speak with us for whats best for our country.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:26 PM
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21. Phelps is no evangelical - where have you been?
He's an ultra-fundamentalist Christian Identity nut.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 01:10 AM
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26. No. Dean should ignore it.
Phelps's raison d'etre is to have attention directed towards himself. His hatemongering is simply a convenient means to satisfy this need. If Dean does anything besides ignore Mr. Phelps, he's handing the man exactly what he wants.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 06:42 AM
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28. That would be good, tell Phelps how vile and disgusting he is
And maybe mention how Phelps embodies the current Republican party.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:54 PM
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3. Reaching out to evangelical voters is one thing
What a hatemonger like Phelps has in mind in another.

I wouldn't touch it.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:57 PM
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5. Fred Phelps wants to hang out with the former Gov of VT?
Something's amiss in this picture...:shrug:

Of couurse, Dean will tell Fred to climb a rope.:thumbsup:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:37 PM
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24. reaching out to evangelicals...
I was thinking Coretta Scott King as a spokesperson. Fred Phelps was way down on that list. Right above the Spanish Inquisition.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:56 PM
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4. Fred Phelps is an evil man
and anybody pushing Fred Phelps to be on a Democratic PArty team to reach out to Evangelicals is out to damage the Democratic Party.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:58 PM
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6. bah hahahah how odd n/t
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 03:03 PM by seabeyond
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:00 PM
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7. Has Phelps stopped taking his meds?
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:50 PM
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10. Alas, he never STARTED taking them.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:03 PM
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9. Hey maybe David Duke can reach out to the klan voters too
and Lyndon LaRouche can join the team to appeal to the elusive Conspiracy Nut vote. I don't think you should expect the reverend to be speaking at any DNC functions anytime soon.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:32 PM
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22. LOL
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:51 PM
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11. No, Dean is too smart to give Phelps the time of day.
Phelps is really not in the "evangelical" category anyway, unless waving pornographic signs and shouting obscenities at passersby can be called evangelizing.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:52 PM
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12. Isn't he the God Hates Fags guy?
Sure, Dr. Dean should definitely reach out to him.



Not.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:58 PM
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13. Let me put it this way:
If I had to choose between George W. Bush and Fred Phelps, I would choose Bush in a heartbeat. Phelps in one of the most vicious, hateful people I've ever heard of. He makes Bush look like Barbara Boxer!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:01 PM
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14. What's Phelp's angle or doesn't he know that Dean is gay friendly??
I mean Dean sanctioned gay partnerships when he was Governor of Vermont. He didn't go as far as gay marriage but did give gay partners legal rights that most states don't have.
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:06 PM
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15. Frightening thought, just a side note apparently some of Phelp's fundie
children were major supporters of Gore in 2000, and even offered their offices for Gore's campaign staff, and one of his many lawyer children was a higher ranking bureaucrat for the Federal Bureau of Prisons under Clinton, who I believe was also invited the the 1996 inauguration.

I read all of this on www.godhatesfundies.com but the website has been taken down since. Though I'm sure you could easily procure this information on a general google search.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:14 PM
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16. JESUS F CHRIST!
If there's one fundie that I WANT Bush to own, it's Phelps. Why are his kids voting for Gore? He's the worst fundie out there. The idea that they are even trying to touch us with a ten foot pole is dangerous. These people picket the funerals of gay people for fuck's sake.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:29 PM
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18. For some reason or the other he hates Bush.
I've seen pictures on his website of his children picketing the ranch in Crawford. I think he's a Democrat. Scary? Isn't it?
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The Sheik Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:05 PM
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20. He is a long time hater of Bush and calls him a "Fag Pimp."
Go figure.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:36 PM
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23. Okay, I'm not the type to automatically exclude
But can we FORMALLY kick this guy off our team? Who's the next to come out as a democrat? Pol Pot? Jeffery Dahmer? Idi Amin?

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 06:50 AM
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29. hmmm - He may have been partly right on that one thing.
Phelps is a sad, hateful person.
Don't need him or want him around.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:26 PM
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17. That brain dead bastard could be a poster boy for the G.O.P. He can ask
them for a position.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:30 PM
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19. That's either sabotage or insane. n/t
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:54 PM
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25. That is Very Interesting
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 08:55 PM by scarlett1
It will be interesting since Dean will be In Lawrence Kansas Next Friday, I can't attend because I'll be skiing in Colorado. I bet Phelps et al will protest. I will be in Topeka to see John Edwards speak at the Kansas Democratic Party Dinner the following week. YEEEEEEAAAAH.

Below is a letter to the Editor and an editorial

Letters to the editor
Phelps' group hateful

Reading Jeanny Sharp's recent editorial about Fred Phelps' protest group made me remember a similar experience that we had. Last December, shortly before Christmas, our family attended a Christmas concert at the Lied Center. When we walked up to the entrance, we noticed the protesters outside the building. They were holding up signs testifying to the hatred of God against America and others. Wanting to find some common ground, I began reciting the Biblical verse John 3:16 as we walked past. I got through "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son", and then I was interrupted by the lady holding the sign, who cursed me.
The cursing that she gave me confused me. I had thought that they were a Christian based group. However, cursing at me for quoting scripture to her seemed out of character for a Christian. So I went away confused as to the message and to the objective of the protests. What are they trying to accomplish? I don't know.
They are an annoying, unprincipled, disruptive group that is against nearly everyone. I am thankful that I believe in a God who loves me.

(I removed writer's name),

Editorial referred to in Letter

Editorial: Phelps' protesters would do well to learn from area children

Hard lessons

Phelps' protesters would do well to learn from area children
Kids love to learn new things -- especially if that education is accompanied by interactive entertainment. Thousands of kids -- mostly preschool to elementary school-age -- and their families learned more about recycling and the science of sound Saturday during a musical performance of "The Magic School Bus" at Lawrence's Lied Center.
The high-energy performance was followed by a science workshop and activities, but the activities that preceded the event were what piqued some kids' interest. Topeka's notorious Fred Phelps' clones stood in front of the performing arts center spewing their hatred and intolerance through their signs stating that the 9/11 victims deserved what they got; God hates fags; Thank God for tsunamis, and more.
It's uncertain what the protesters were protesting because they weren't able to explain it themselves.
Upon questioning of one of the picketers about sentiments emblazoned on her sign, she said simply that she couldn't explain it. How awful that these people don't recognize or care what impression they would leave with innocent children who were certain to ask questions. Questions about why those people are "so mean?" Why are they so mad? Those are questions lots of adults wonder about, too.
It's sad that these Kansans can't find a way to positively influence children and others rather than spreading venom.
Phelps, a fundamentalist preacher at Topeka's small Westboro Baptist Church, has long protested against gays, but what in the world do tsunamis and the 9/11 attacks have to do with gays?
The answer probably lies in Phelps' view of God.
Rather than believing that God loves everybody, he contends in an open letter to the Topeka community on the Topeka Capital Journal's Web site that God loves only "the elect." "Every human is born totally depraved, deserving hell...The heart of man is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things, and the best description of mankind is a corrupt mass. The only people who will be saved are those God chooses to save. They are called the elect....The rest are reprobate," according to Phelps.
In Phelps' world his picketers are doing the rest of us a favor by reminding us that God is punishing America via the Sept. 11, 2001, tragedy for ignoring his commandments.
In the real world, kids need to learn vital lessons on a host of educational topics -- none of those ought to include hate.
Teacher extraordinare' Ms. Frizzle and the other members of the Magic School Bus cast had important lessons to impart on how to work together to keep our world healthy, clean and beautiful. It's too bad the divisive picketers didn't go inside to learn the same lessons.
-- Jeanny Sharp, editor and publisher
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 06:35 AM
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27. wtf?
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