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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:57 PM
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Howard Dean kicking Perle's ass on CSPAN.... which means he needs to
kick every square inch of him.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:57 PM
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1. Did that guy throw his shoe yet?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:58 PM
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2. Mmmm missed that... I'm listening from the other room... eom.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:01 PM
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3. A lousy shoe?
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:23 PM
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7. Some protester threw his shoe at Perle
during the debate.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:42 PM
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12. Yeah, that was early in the debate
I think it was during Perle's opening remarks

'Course the shoe-thrower was removed
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:15 PM
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4. What is this missle system Dean supports?
I didn't hear the first part of the debate.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:17 PM
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5. Dean is one SMART REFRAMING DEBATER.
Perle is nearly the best they have. He is also more experienced, more scholarly looking, and more quietly ruthless than Dean imo.

Dean is taking no hits!

:toast:

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:39 PM
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9. Reframing debate is what we have needed
for way too long.

Gov. Dean is the best!

Supporting the military does not mean giving the Pentagon all of the money they request - no questions asked. Supporting what they do w/that money (and accountability) is supporting the military.

I :loveya: DEAN!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:51 PM
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14. My husband was his fan. He got a Dean hat for his B-day.
I'm a Green, so I didn't pay as close attention to the primaries, just prepared to vote for the Dem's choice.

But, started really liking Dean when comparing him to overcooked noodle responses from other folks of the Lieberman stripe. And the little I saw of Judy, she seemed very attractive as well.

(What about this ticket: Teresa/Elizabeth/Judy? Yes, I know, that's three -- but they're all amazing.)

Dem's are in good hands!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 01:19 AM
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17. Hey, that sounds great!
A triumverate of smart, classy women! Why in heck not! The country sure could use some new leadership...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:22 PM
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6. Perle mentions Scoop Jackson
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 09:25 PM by seemslikeadream
CIA seizes Sen. Jackson papers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1240689

The principals have also assisted each other down through the years. Frequently. In 1973 Richard Perle used his (and Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's) influence as a senior staff member of the Senate Armed Services Committee to help Wolfowitz obtain a job with the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. In 1982, Perle hired Feith in ISP as his Special Counsel, and then as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Negotiations Policy. In 2001, DOD Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz helped Feith obtain his appointment as Undersecretary for Policy. Feith then appointed Perle as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board. In some cases, this mutual assistance carries risks, as for instance when Perle's hiring of Bryen as his Deputy in ISP became an extremely contentious issue in Perle's own Senate appointment hearings as Assistant Secretary.

Every appointment/hiring listed above involved classified work for which high-level security clearances and associated background checks by the FBI were required. When the level of the clearance is not above generic Top Secret, however, the results of that background check are only seen by the hiring authority. And in the event, if the appointee were Bryen or Ledeen and the hiring authority were Perle, Wolfowitz or Feith, the appointee(s) need not have worried about the findings of the background check. In the case of Perle hiring Bryen as his deputy in 1981, for instance, documents released in 1983 under the Freedom of Information Act indicate that the Department provided extraordinarily high clearances for Bryen without having reviewed more than a small portion of his 1978-79 FBI investigation file.



RICHARD PERLE: A HABIT OF LEAKING

Perle came to Washington for the first time in early 1969, at the age of 28, to work for a neo-con think tank called the "Committee to Maintain a Prudent Defense Policy." Within months, Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson offered Perle a position on his staff, working with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And within months after that--less than a year--Perle was embroiled in an affair involving the leaking of a classified CIA report on alleged past Soviet treaty violations.

The leaker (and author of the report) was CIA analyst David Sullivan, and the leakee was Richard Perle. CIA Director Stansfield Turner was incensed at the unauthorized disclosure, but before he could fire Sullivan, the latter quit. Turner urged Sen. Jackson to fire Perle, but he was let off with a reprimand. Jackson then added insult to injury by immediately hiring Sullivan to his staff. Sullivan and Perle became close friends and co-conspirators, and together established an informal right-wing network which they called "the Madison Group," after their usual meeting place in--you might have guessed--the Madison Hotel Coffee Shop.

more
http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:34 PM
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8. Although I didn't catch it all,...Dean did an absolutely fabulous job.
Perle looked like the death tunnel that he is.

I just cannot begin to say how grateful I am to have someone as clear and moral and articulate and passionate as Howard Dean leading the Democratic team!!!

Thank you, Dr. Dean. Thank you SO MUCH for being my gladiator!!!

:bounce:
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:41 PM
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10. I wish I could see. No TV...sniff. n/t
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:41 PM
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11. it was online on cspan too
well now you know :).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:54 PM
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15. Can you see it at Cspan? nt
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:50 PM
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13. Howard Dean did a GREAT job debating Perle
At one point he delayed his answer to his question in order to come back at Perle, saying that he had done what Republicans always do in order to paint Dems as weak on defense ... looking at defense only in terms of the amount of money budgetted to the pentagon. He made the point quite cogently that defense consisted of soft power along with hard military power, and that a huge problem with this admin's foreign policy is that it's not planning for the long-term, but rather it is wasting money and lives on the sort term. It was gratifying seeing Perle shrug to condede the point.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:54 PM
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16. I want some blueberry syrup with the toast, please. lol n/t
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