I have this sick, sick feeling that the 2004 election will be stolen...

[lindashaw]

Please tell me I'm wrong. *sigh*

[cherryperry]

1. You Are Wrong!!!

They just can't do it again. I won't believe it. The only way is if Asscrap declares some emergency and doesn't allow an election at all. If that happens, I believe people will FINALLY rise up.

Now, I'm getting your sick feeling.

Someone, please, help Linda and me!!!

[lindashaw]

6. I just watched that documentary on worldlink tv...

with Kathryn Harris, and the Courts and the dirty tricks and all the African Americans and Hispanics who were so wonderful and so robbed. Surely Al Sharpton will galvanize them all so that they won't become discouraged. I could go to Florida and sit on the street with a placard! :}

[cherryperry]

14. I'll go with you!

Did you watch any of the Civil Rights Commission hearings with that absolutely wonderful Mary Frances Berry?

C-Span covered it all, thank goodness, even though I guess it didn't do anything...I'm getting depressed again...time for chocolate!

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[Kurovski]

8. That is some glamorous photo-shoppery, Don.

Very nice.

[corarose]

25. Great work! I love your bumper stickers

:kick:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. If it IS stolen

I don't think the public will stand idly by this time. I think there will be a revolt of some sort-especially if a minority group is disenfranchised again.

[FarLeftRage]

5. Yes, I tend to agree

That a revolt, or more likely a revolution could happen.
I do not think that We The People would stand for such illegal events.

[xJlM]

21. Are you kidding me?

The American people are fat and lazy, and I don't even think there are very many of them willing to fight and die here in the streets of our cities. I've posed this question before: how many folks here think they have what it takes to kill their fellow man, especially when you have government armed police thugs hunting you down? Not to mention arms, which I pretty seriously doubt many democrats are well equipped with. No, if it happens, we're pretty much fucked. The repugs have been working on this for generations, no last-minute preparations of ours will make the slightest bit of difference.

[FarLeftRage]

23. No, I am not.

The vast array of complains and overall disatisfaction from all that I have heard and seen from lead me to believe that it would not take much more intimidation and foolishness to cause a massive revolt. I think that the survival instinct would kick in on alot of folks who really feel that they have nothing left to to lose if they choose to react to the massive injustices being perpetrated upon them. As for myself, all I can say is that I was a boy scout and have always lived by their motto...

[xJlM]

28. Be prepared!

Well, me too, but I'm still not sure about civil war in the streets. Although I have no great love or respect for the police, most of my fellow humankind I try to look on as brothers and sisters. Some of them can be a little slow, but they're good at heart. Or at least, the ones not involved in the major media or the repug party seem like worthwhile human beings.

[ablbodyed]

29. Only TOOO true

Add the NRA thug intimidation squads and there will be a VERY SHORT-LIVED revolt. I live in western NewYork, and I can tell you that there are enough bullies here to impose the scum Repugs' will. Self-righteous little bigots, ignorent and PROUD OF IT. They think that because they're wimmies (White Hetero Men) that they'll be above the rest of us. Well, their stupidity will silence us, and kill not a few. But their stupidity is their own undoing: A flushing toilet takes ALL TURDS with it. The Conservative trash cannot give up power. If the real truth about the dacades-long antics of these punks were ever revealed, they'd by torn limb from limb, not to mention the incalcuable damage done to this once-fine country over the last three years. WE'RE DOOMED. PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE

[Rhiannon12866]

33. You've got to be wrong. Our country will not survive otherwise

We are being bankrupted, disenfranchized, spun and downright lied to. Somebody had better wake up, hopefully sooner than later. I understand your desperation, and lindashaw's and cherryperry's because I share it.
:scared:

Welcome to DU, ablbodyed! And welcome to the club!:-)

[July]

37. Hey, I'm from South Buffalo (don't live there now, though)!

Where are you in WNY?

[rainydaywoman]

4. That's just what my Husband keeps saying....

and he says, I'm wasting my time supporting Dean, which really gets me fired up. There has been some heated arguments around my house about this. I just can't give up hope.

[Kurovski]

7. Get so many people to vote that theft will be impossible.

Get the 18-25 crowd going to the polls. Cuz if you don't believe the draft is coming back within 3 months after the next bush term, well, excuse me but you're a Farking goonball maroon.

Isn't the plan supposed to be that each of us'n is supposed to bring 5 new folks to the polls? I got 2 so far.

How about you?

So Don't be ascared my dear little ones. be BIZZZZZAAAYYY!

[Kurovski]

11. And bring back exit-polling

It is a good indicator of when fraud has occured.

Just look at Florida. After 2000,exit polling was stopped because it was claimed they got it wrong in Fla. however, no matter what your view on election 2000, we know for a fact that 30,000 folks meant to vote for Gore. Exit polling would reflect that, and did.

The only way to counter the upcoming theft is by voting in huge numbers.

[morningglory]

27. I voted in Gwinnett County, Georgia in 2002.

They had just gotten touch screen voting. I believe many races were stolen in 2002. Max Cleland beaten by scumbag. The first Repug governor since reconstruction? Alabama governor race votes changed after the polls closed. Can Jimmy Carter help us. Exit polling. Something.

[hedda_foil]

9. It can and will be unless all DUers get off their rears and work on BBV

Listen, folks, we're at ground zero of the BBV issue at DU. This is where much of the research has happened. Our DUers are on the front lines and thanks to activists like Bev, DEMActivist, Paranoid Pat, Eloriel, Jim March and many, many others, the issue has moved and is continuing to become more and more open. The voting machine manufacturers are playing defense and losing ground at this point but we have to keep the pressure on. EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to help.

Here's your activism tool kit. Now get to it! March! March! March! Ya want to save our democracy don't you? Well save it already!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=875

[gristy]

12. And be sure to make use of Bev's excellent summary of the issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=294958

[kalian]

10. You are quite right....

and the 2003 "selections" that will be held this year are a dress
rehersal in order to tie-up any loose ends.

Any questions...?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Stolen my ass...read this board..We're GIVING it away!

[LastDemInIdaho]

22. What do you mean?

Please explain.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. It was a remark on the fly about the manner in which some Du'ers

cannot resist assassinating the character of the Dem candidate that is NOT their choice.

Don't get me wrong..taking them to task on their vote, their actions and VERIFIABLE aspects of their past that might affect their ability to govern are legitimate. Taking them to task over rumors begat off the giant sespool that the disinformation highway can be is DIRTY POOL.

Welcome to DU

[Eloriel]

15. You can let go of that feeling. It's a certainty.

I can personally guarantee it. IF we don't fix the voting machine issue.

Get thee out there and support Rush Holt's bill H.R. 2239

Equally important, do NOT support (that is, defeat) H.R. 22-eight-9. It looks like the same bill, but it's not.

Eloriel

[Lindacooks]

16. I wish

that moveon.org or some place like that would start a petition asking the UN to oversee elections here next year. At the very least, this would make news because you can be sure Bush and the Repukes would oppose it, betraying their intentions to at least SOME people. And it would point out how far we have fallen from 'free and open elections' to the point where the electoral process in this country is more like a third world nation's. I have written to moveon.org to suggest this; haven't received a reply.

[Enraged American]

17. I think the election will be stolen again, but this time...

I don't think you'll hear about it. Remember last time, Florida was a Gore state first, then became a Bush state later in the night? This time a swing state will announce Bush from the very start, and the people will just buy it and accept defeat.

The election will be stolen, but there will not be a scandal. It would pass under the radar.

Who's prepared to revolt? What would you do if we win the popular vote, but lose a swing state? Radical action or peaceful protest?

[Kurovski]

18. UUUHHHMMMMMM....

we do things peaceful-like in the US.

What a thing to ask online. Do you work for the Government?

Are you a right wing writer looking for a story? or did you simply not read the rules before signing on to DU?

Seriously, figure it out.

we want to work within the Democratic process for change. Violence is a right-wing state of mind.

[Enraged American]

20. Excuse me?

I never said anything about "violence" in my post. I was just asking a rhetorical question on what would happen should the election be stolen again.

I'm a registered Democrat loosely affiliated with the Progressive Caucus.

Don't get all offended. That's a Freeper attitude.

[Kurovski]

26. You're excused

and welcome to DU,EA!

[RainDog]

19. citizen exit polling

if lots of computers get to count the votes, and if the exit polling company which couldn't release its results after the last election (and even if they do) can't do the job, the way to monitor election fraud is via bipartisan exit polling.

btw, didn't someone say V-whatever it is was going to finally release its exit poll results from the mid-term election?

has anyone seen this yet?

[amber dog democrat]

30. It seems plausable

But I think there is going to be too much of a spotlight on the elections for anything like what happened in FL to happen again.

Fool me once.....

I do NOT like the electronic voting devices and question the wisdom of adopting them on such a large scale.

It seems like there is a real breakdown in the American political process - Either way we seem to be headed for a train wreck. These are interesting times.

[RainDog]

32. welcome amber dog demodog

:)

train wreck? who knows. maybe it's time for democracy to be regenerated. maybe the corruption has reached the tipping point for too many Americans to remain cynical and detached.

[MoonRiver]

31. It will only happen if the pukes rig the vote.

That's why I desperately hope Dems get a clue and don't allow the rightwing controlled computerized voting machines to take over elections in states where Dems still have a say about what happens (quite a few it turns out).

[Andy_Stephenson]

34. www.blackboxvoting.org

get involved.

[Proletarian]

35. If it is...

then I propose we make immediate preperations for a massive rebellion. Whether to ovethrow the system or completely reform it.

All things need to be considered.

I have that feeling as well, it is why I oppose gun control. Handguns will not work against the National Guard.

[JCMach1]

36. Wish I could

:(