Everything is NOT conspired

[linazelle]

Just reading the threads currently on the front page here and I've found out there are secret tapes, suicided/murdered scientists, media plants and more...

WTF is this madness? It's crazy. This is the stuff of sci-fi movies not real life.

Statistically speaking, there can't be that many valid scandals going on--this stuff happens periodically--not in droves and constantly.

My point is that a lot of this stuff is BS to throw people off the trail of real corruption. Notice how nobody's talking about Iraq anymore?

[meisje]

1. maybe you're a plant to throw me off the

real scandal? Uh huh, yep!

[bush_is_wacko]

3. Funny thing is there is never a moment that goes by that we aren't

researching that topic as well. Don't be fooled. DUer's don't forget the issues!

[linazelle]

9. LOL....I see the threads got to "somebody" LOL n/t

:hi:

[dbt]

2. You do know why there are so many conspiracy theories, don't you?

Because there are so many conspiracies!

:hi:
dbt

[SmokingJacket]

4. But you have to look at everything to sort through it.

Don't worry -- no one's forgotten about Iraq. But it's reached the point of major repetition: We must get out! Quagmire! No WMD! Etc.

Everyone pounces on the new stuff and tears it to pieces looking for gold. I think it's okay. We know it's not ALL conspiracy (though, sheesh, it must look that way to anyone passing through).

When the MSM refuses to look at ANYTHING, some people feel obliged to be **extra** paranoid to make up for it.

[linazelle]

7. Yes I know that wading through the muck is necessary but most

folks don't have time--and neither do I, really. It's disappointing to know that a lot of real crime is going undetected because of all the hype. As Randi Rhodes says all the time about Iraq, the reason they have chaos over there with the fight and the contracted torturers, etc. is to keep confusion going so they can steal. If they're doing it in Iraq they're doing it here.

[SmokingJacket]

27. Well, you and Randi are right about that.

The problem is less that we're caught up in conspiracies, it seems to me, so much as the MSM isn't doing any investigative journalism in Iraq. Bloggers don't have the resources to report on it -- unless they're there -- so they resort to digging up stuff on the internet.

If the MSM would do their job, there'd be a lot fewer conspiracy theories, I think.

[Broca]

5. That sounds conspiratorial.

How do we know that you have not been hired by some illicit, shadowy, paranoic, political meisters to plant such doubt here? ;)

It probably would not make much difference even if half of it were true. The public either is apathetic or if they do care they care only if the other side commits the crimes.

[linazelle]

12. You're right, the public does not care...and that's why this concerns

me. They don't care because there's TOO MUCH to follow. I just wish there was some way to ferret out the BS.

[merh]

6. Are you part of the conspiracy to throw us off and derail our

efforts? Are you conspiring against us? :tinfoilhat:


(BTW: As long as they think we wear :tinfoilhat:s, we are just crazy conspiracy theorists and not threat to them. We can go about our business doing research and trying to find out what we can about the admin and its crazy ways. Some of the research will be valid, some will be far fetched and not worth the effort. As long as it is co-mingled, the likelihood of anyone that matters finding it and covering it up is negated. Most bloggers are not real journalists or news sources. DU is a discussion forum that likes to discuss the possibilities and probabilities. Doing researching and digging gives us some power and control in a world where others distort the truth and control most of our lives. No harm, no foul!)

[linazelle]

8. Nope, not a conspiracist...but a true blue DUer....

An overwhelmed one, but true blue nevertheless. :hi:

[merh]

10. I don't doubt that in the least!

glad to meet ya! :hi:

I love the color blue and I love proud, true blue members of DU!!! :pals:

[mattclearing]

11. The stuff really happens.

Not everything is conspired, you are right about that.

However, A LOT IS.

A damage control meeting is a meeting to find ways to keep a problem from getting worse.

One might also characterize it as "conspiratorial."

That the Bush people conspire to hoodwink the American people is surely not something you would challenge, is it?

[linazelle]

15. Me...think that BushCo is not a criminal empire? No way...

I know who they are. It's just that it seems when some valid scandal pops us (i.e. Gannon) then it's like a bingo bonus round on a game show. We get not just the real scandal but a few secret tapes thrown in, somebody digs us crap from the Clinton era, somebody else brings in the dead scientists, and we end up with a heaping pile of crap.

[mattclearing]

16. I understand what you're saying, but you can't blame people for...

...having memories. There's no reason to believe individual Bush stories happen in a vacuum.

[slay]

18. The label "conspiracy theory" is used so people will ignore the truth

Just because people label something a "conspiracy theory" doesn't mean it's not true! What better way to manipulate shit to your advantage than to make your actions the type that would get the label "conspiracy theory". By making their crimes so extreme, those in power stay in power because even good people like those here on this message board will not even consider the truth purely because they consider it ridiculous. Truth is often stranger than fiction.

[KG]

13. this my be tuff for many people to wrap their minds around but

when it comes to high level corruption, it's prudent to assume a conspiracy.

people in the power elite are not like the rest of us, most have no souls or morals, and once they have power will do anything to keep it.

[TrogL]

14. Logical fallacy

We never said "everything" was a conspiracy.

There's certainly plenty of them out there. Remember when the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy's involvement in journalism was considered a fairy tail? Now it's (at least our) front-page news.

Some of the theories are more valid than others, all deserve investigation. Those that are valid need to be broadcast, in the blogosphere if no place else. Those that aren't valid need to be sidelined. Those who cannot let go need to be censured (gently - they mean well).

What I think we're experiencing is the release of a log-jam of valid conspiracy stories. It's unfortunate that they're all happening at the same time. They're time is certainly over-ripe.

I certainly haven't stopped thinking about Iraq. I see these as an oopportunity to punch holes in the Dubay administation and stop the Iraq (oil) war (and the next one, and the next one).

Oh, by the way - click the links below.

[GoMrGordon]

17. It's very hard to convince people of that, isn't it???

It's so much much fun to believe a conspiracy! I'm guilty of it as well.

[linazelle]

20. I am not sure what you mean....conspiracies aren't fairy tales,

many of them are valid. You seem to be implying that they are all make-believe. I'm saying there's dumping to cover up the real conspiracies--a conspiracy to cover up conspiracies in other words.

[Minstrel Boy]

34. Now, why would you say that?

Oh. Never mind. Don't bother to get up.

[Igel]

19. There's the occasional debunker amongst the DUers.

Makes for some seriously fun reading.

Otherwise it's a waste of bauxite.

[Art_from_Ark]

22. "Waste of bauxite"?

Just what the hell does that mean?

[The Magistrate]

23. Bauxite, Sir

Is the ore of aluminum....

[Art_from_Ark]

24. I'm aware of that, sir,

having grown up in the only bauxite-producing state in the nation :hi:

My question, though, is, just how is bauxite being wasted in these discussions?

[Igel]

26. "Tin foil" is actually aluminum foil.

Far too much bauxite is processed to provide aluminum for the necessary headgear ... at least for some DUers. :hi:

[Art_from_Ark]

32. So, where do you draw the line between "tin/aluminum-foil" land

and the realm of possibility?

[OneBlueSky]

21. it's not "many valid scandals" . . .

the Bush administration is nothing but one huge conspiracy in and of itself . . . all these "mini-scandals" are merely branches on the trunk . . .

[Minstrel Boy]

28. there it is.

Like I said on my blog yesterday, a Bush in the White House means truth is stranger than science fiction.

[Wonk]

25. Strawman. Got a link to anyone seriously claiming "everything" was?

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

[porphyrian]

29. It's only conspiracy to those who find it implausible and unlikely. - n/t

[Padraig18]

30. Just a wave of the 'barking moonbat flu'.

It hits DU periodically; it will run its course, and we'll be back to normal soon enough.

:shrug:

[dddem]

31. Just because I'm paranoid

doesn't mean people aren't out to get me.
Seriously though, some of this stuff is so unbelievable, I think it could just be legit.

[Dr Fate]

33. Right- everything going down is a mere "coincidence", isn't it?

Sorry- I won't be replacing conspiracy theories with "happy coincidence" theories anytime soon! :)

[hector459]

35. It's really crazy to think there are no conspiracies.

The biggest conspiracy is to make you think there are none.