Who IS behind the anthrax attacks we had?

[porphyrian]

I've been keeping my head in the sand with regards to current events for the most part so that I don't get so seething mad that I go out and fucking kill someone, but where has this story gone? What's the matter, we couldn't pin it on Muslim extremists? Was it one of Jeb!'s kids or something?

Last I heard, it had to be from some military store, since it was weaponized, and that the scientist/lab guy they wanted to pin it on turned out innocent somehow. Then what? How does something like this just dissappear, or did it? Is anyone else as clueless and/or outraged as I, or am I just ranting again?

[leftofthedial]

1. the neotheocon death cult

keeping the Democratic "opposition" in line.

[porphyrian]

2. That would surprise me only because it was too successful...

...and they didn't burn a scapegoat. This just stopped being talked about one day, and no one looked back. We were attacked again on our own soil after 9/11, and this administration has failed to bring anyone at all to justice, yet no one's raising a stink at all? Does this go into our military ranks or what?

[leftofthedial]

3. the intelligence establishment

the neotheocons, the military, the corporate profiteers from the military . . .

in short all those about whom Eisenhower warned us . . .

have gotten to the point where they no longer need to pretend that lay along with the democracy pretense

[TrustingDog]

4. Philip Zack.

http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html

lengthy link.

Who spread the anthrax last October and why? Well, who has that strain of anthrax and who has a motive? Most commentators and the FBI agree that only a select group of Americans have easy access to the Ames strain of anthrax used in the letters mailed last October. But why would any of them want to kill and terrorize Americans? The clue is in the timing. A chronology of events suggests that the motivation was to boost passage of controversial legislation in Congress last October, called the USA Patriot Act. A number of unlikely “coincidences” associated with the anthrax attacks makes it hard to believe that they were random.
CONSIDER THESE “COINCIDENCES”

... etc.

[porphyrian]

5. Cool article.

A little conspiritist, but this may indeed be a conspiracy. I like the points about timing and motive. Thanks.

[necso]

6. Start with who had access.

Not only "sign-in" or "official" access -- any possibility of physical access -- like to a small "skim" being left somewhere (with the "body" being passed on) -- or direct access to the whole without any record being left.

But we are never going to know, I suspect.

[kazoo35]

7. Down the memory hole.

I don't think we'll ever find out.

[necso]

8. Oh yeah, baby! -- I'm betting on the big "never".

"Come on, Never!"

...

"Frame-up Job" still has a chance, though.

[Just Me]

41. Aw hell!!! They KNOW!!! The source was identified!!! They KNOW!!!

The investigation went through "motions of credibility" then shut down.

They KNOW!!!!

[Shananigans]

9. Grovelbot?

Ok, maybe not. I still question whether the anthrax attacks were actually related to any kind of international terrorism. Perhaps it was just a "mad scientist" preying on our weaknesses...

[porphyrian]

10. I've long suspected some domestic group...

...but the particular strain of the anthrax, and its militarized preparation, really narrows the list of possible suspects, and I'm not sure my initial theory (some neo-nazis, or militia group, or someone connected to the Oklahoma bombing that isn't dead or in prison) still holds up well.

What bothers me so much is that, with so few people having access to this particular anthrax, we still have no conviction. The only guy they arrested, they let go. And now, no one even seems to think about it any more.

The article linked somewhere above this in the thread had some really good points, even if they were a bit conspiritorial, specifically about the timing of the attacks and who would benefit from them.

[Just Me]

43. The "octopus". Looking for beneficiaries,...look at the "octopus". n/t

[Al-CIAda]

11. Why did the White House go on Cipro Beginning September 11th?

Why did the White House go on Cipro Beginning September 11th?
Were they psychic, or did they know?


Nearly a month before the first reported outbreak, White House officials start taking the powerful antibiotic Cipro to treat anthrax. By the end of the year it will be known that the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks against Sens. Leahy and Daschle was produced by CIA programs coordinated through Fort Detrick, the Batelle Memorial Institute and the Dugway Proving Ground.

FBI & BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUED OVER ANTHRAX DOCUMENTS

Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th

What Was Known and When?
(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that it has filed lawsuits against the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), the Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”), the Center for Disease Control (“CDC”), the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (“USAMRIID”) and the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) for those agencies’ failures to produce documents concerning the terrorist anthrax attacks of October 2001, under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”).

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

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Complete 911 Timeline: Anthrax attacks and microbiologists
Project: Complete 911 Timeline
Open-Content project managed by Paul Thompson

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=anthrax

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. You took the words right out of my fingers!

Why did 2 Democrat Senators get anthrax letters on the eve of the Patriot Act vote? Then there is the curious case of the first victim, Robert Stevens. He was a photo editor for a National Enquirer publication, and supposedly had compromising pics of Bush and Victor Ashe. Tom Brokaw's letter was probably a punctuation to that.

[Sufi Marmot]

12. Good website for exhaustive analysis and speculation...

Anthrax Attacks

I don't necessarily agree with everything but he's asking good questions and has collected a lot of info...

-SM

[Kingofalldems]

13. I'll bet millions of Americans think

Saddam Hussein did it. I remember when the neocons and all the media whores were all over the news reports saying the anthrax could only come from one source ----Iraq.

[porphyrian]

14. Yep, and it was unfortunately effective propaganda.

Most Americans you ask on the street will also think Iraq was connected to the 9/11 attacks. I'm not sure who pisses me off more - the evil fuckers making these claims for their own agenda or the people stupid and gullible enough to go along with it.

[No Exit]

33. Precisely! We were supposed to believe Saddam did it.

So we would start screaming that he must be attacked and taken down! What could be simpler?

The huge profits raked in by the drug company that sells Cipro (which of course is not available in generic) were just a case of some more crooks jumping on the Neocon Crook bandwagon, saying "Hey, guys, let us in on some of your action!"

[ArkDem]

15. Billy Joel

[kick-ass-bob]

16. I thought it was Elton John.

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

17. I knew it!

When he broke up with Christie Brinkley and applied for security clearance at military bioweapons research facilities, the press should have been all over him!

[ArkDem]

31. Shoulda, coulda, woooooda

[TWiley]

18. There was a story circulating early on.

It involved a bio-chemist that got arrested at an airport. Evidently, he had an anthrax sample, and some containment equipment. His story was that he was writing a book, and doing some research if I remember correctly.

This particular Bio-Chemist was very active in the Aryan Nations, a radical right wing White-Supremest group, and had recently quit his job. The assumption was so he could spend more time with his "Aryan" chores. The last I heard, they somehow determined that was innocent, and stopped investigating him.

Next came the investigation of a Bio-Chemist at a Government Laboratory. I vaguely remember a news story where his lawyer was asking the Justice department to either issue a warrant, or to stop harassing his client. To my knowledge, no warrant was issued.

They did track down the source of the Anthrax, it came from a government / military laboratory. The USA had highly refined this Anthrax to make it "weapons grade" Of course, we are not "officially" involved in any "Biological Weapons" research.

If you remember, only liberal Democrats were targeted, most notably was the office of Tom Dashel.

I have always suspected a domestic radical right wing republican para-military type person or group as being responsible for those attacks. It would not be surprising to me if the bushtapo actively suppressed this investigation, having a good idea where it would lead.

Remember that early on in his first term, asscroft uncovered evidence that McVeigh may not have gotten a fair trial. This "discovery" (and why were they even looking" gave asscroft the excuse he needed to review (and I believe purge) all files pertaining to Tim McViegh, and his relationship with the radical right wing. If alive and free, someone like McViegh would be an obvious suspect.

Why was asscroft interested in reviewing the McViegh case? If you knew the full truth, it might make it a little more clear why no arrests have been made in the Anthrax case.

As a side note, all FBI agents were re-assigned to "national security" investigations at that time. Evidently, they did not have enough manpower to actively pursue the Anthrax case.

[bobbieinok]

19. whole bit with Ashcroft and McVeigh was weird

shortly before scheduled execution Ashcroft comes out with this info....talks to M, I think......then nothing

where was the defense atty????

about the same time, M says he doesn't want any more delays.....he wants execution NOW

[TWiley]

29. Yes, the whole thing was weird.

That is a good question, where WAS the defense atty? McVeigh got executed, all the files pertaining to the case were moved to the Justice Department.

He probably told asscroft where to look, then wanted to be executed to avoid further questioning. It seemed important to him do "die as a solder" while providing only his "name, rank, and serial number"

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. The republicans.

They sent a loud message to the Dems to toe the line or else. The National Enquirer guy died because he was going to publish pics of Bush and Victor Ashe....Bush's lover.

[stanwyck]

21. That's just another of the subjects

we're not supposed to remember or mention. Add it to: Laura's campaign against gang violence (who thinks that campaign is going anywhere?), Bush's push for alternative energy vehicles (remember that?), capturing Bin Laden, (you're not even supposed to remember his name), WMD, No Child Left Behind, Iraqi oil paying for our war machine (that's a good one), the White House outing of a CIA agent, Bush's campaign against steriod use (???),Jeff Gannon's White House access while working as a prostitute, Bush's prescription plan for seniors, and healthcare reform.
Quit thinking. Quit remembering.
Take the pill. Detach. Watch some American Idol or braindead sitcoms.
The Bushies don't have cold case files. They have frozen case files. Never to be defrosted.

[porphyrian]

23. Heh, I like the quote from "Miracle Mile"...

On the payphone, after gunshots silence the original caller -

"Forget everything you just heard and go back to sleep."

[stanwyck]

24. Well, I'd like to sleep

through the next 3 years and wakeup to a different America.

[TWiley]

30. Well, if you did fall asleep

for the next 3 years, you would, in fact, wake up to a different america. One I don't think you would like.

Hopefully you will stay awake with the rest of us to kick some more repubbie ass.

[solinvictus]

22. Bill Frist...

At least behind the ones he "found" in his office. All he was trying to do was boost sales of his book on bio-terrorism, written by an MD who barely practiced.

[Just Me]

45. Oh, you silly,...that "false alarm" wasn't anthrax. eom

[Stop_the_War]

25. The neo-cons did it. they tried to attack Dan Rather with anthrax,obvious!

[JunkYardDogg]

26. It was the Bushreich "REICHSTAG"

1. Targets-All carefully selected for optimum Fear Inducement
A. Media-optimum publicizing
B. Enquirer-Payback/Revenge for stories about the Cyclone Sisters
C. Politicians-i.e. Dem leaders, attacked in their own Palace of
Power- thereby terrorizing all Politicians into voting for the
"Patriot Act"
D. Postal Employees-Collateral Damage
2. Anthrax-
Weapons grade, aerosolized, made and available only at U.S.
BioWeapons Labs
3. Investigation led by:
New Head of the Homeland Security Dept
This was without a doubt a black-op done by Rove, et al
The Army has in the Past conducted Chemical Weapons experiments upon the American Populace- In the '60's, they tested MDA on Hippies in Haight Ashberry
4. Result-
They terrorized the BeJesus out of Amerika and easily cemented their stranglehold on Amerika

[Boo Boo]

27. Here's an interesting link

Anthrax Attacks and Microbiologist Deaths

Really doubt all of these, or even the majority are related, but, boy oh boy, there sure are an awful lot of dead Microbiologists!

The one that I was trying to think of when I Googled-up this particular site was the guy that was thrown (my conclusion) off the bridge in Memphis. That happened in November, and always struck me as one of those "in plain sight" type things that the media just ignores.

Obviously, certain things are just allowed to fade away---like pedophile politicians and US manufactured biological weapons being used in terror attacks inside the United States.

Weird world we live in.

[No Exit]

32. IMO, much of 9/11 and the anthrax scare consisted of

criminals raking in profits.

The situation regarding the insurance, and re-insurance, of the WTC, is very strange. Henry Kissinger is involved; I could swear I read somewhere (probably at onlinejournal.com) that HE tripled the amount of insurance on the WTC, in the summer of 2001. Be that as it may, it is a fact that SOMEONE got huge insurance claim payouts for the destruction of the WTC.

(There is also a theory that Cantor Fitzgerald was somehow involved in holding a huge promissory note which was about to come due, and the entity/entities which would have had to pay off that debt on 9/12/2001 was/were unable to pay. As you will recall, that NY office of Cantor Fitzgerald was pretty much wiped out on 9/11.)

Also, there was the matter of the "put-options" on airline stocks. I am anything but knowledgeable about the stock market; the simplest way I can think of to explain what I mean here is: the stock market consists of betting, and a lot of people (right b/f 9/11) suddenly began betting that airline stocks would go down. If they betted this correctly, they stood to rake in huge sums. Well... they were correct... airline stocks plummeted, of course.

Now the anthrax scare. I was scared, just like everyone else. When that elderly lady in rural New England died, I sat around trying to think up ways to get the mail open w/o touching it or even drawing breath around it. Well, guess what? Remember the many, many people who stood in line to get Cipro? The drug that supposedly protected from anthrax? Cipro is EXTREMELY expensive as drugs go. (I know this b/c I recently had it prescribed for me; I refused to buy it b/c a 5-day course of it would've cost $300, PLUS you had to buy another drug to take in tandem with it.) WHO RAKED IN THE PROFITS FOR THE SALE OF ALL THAT CIPRO?

And let's not forget that Tom Daschle was one of those who supposedly got a threatening "anthrax" letter. This gave the repuke-controlled adminstration a perfect excuse to shut down his office and, of course, go through everything in it with a fine-toothed comb. Ditto for some journalists who had a reputation for being liberal. (Wasn't it Tom Brokaw, among others?)

Finally, in my opinion, there was another angle (that is, benefit to the warmongering neocon criminals) in the anthrax thing. SADDAM was connected to anthrax in the "minds" of the American people. (Never mind that it was us who originally gave it to him... ahem.) I think the anthrax scam attacks were originally meant to be publicly blamed on Saddam. For some reason, this fraudulent link never panned out for the neocons--perhaps b/c it soon became known that the anthrax in question came from Fort Detrick, which, as everyone knows, is in the UNITED STATES.

[tom_paine]

34. Let's see: Emperor and Imperial Staff begin taking Cipro ONE MONTH

before the first anthrax letter is received.

All athrax letters received by Democrats and "Liberal Media" including the tablodi that published pictures of Bush's Drunken Daughters.

Yah, that sounds like a al-Qaeda Hit List if ever I heard of one.

And how does the story disappear, given it sent 280,000,000 Imperial Subjects of Amerika into an abject panic for 3 months?

For the answer, read a history of nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Ferdinand Marcos Phillipines, Pinochet's Chile, current BushPutinist Russia, and any other state employing Totalitarian Media and "Message Control".

[bobthedrummer]

35. My personal suspect numero uno is Jerome Hauer aided by Tommy

Thompson. Thompson hired Hauer from SAIC on September 10, 2001.
Immediately after 9/11 attacks, well before any indication of possible anthrax attacks, Thompson and Hauer promoted the use of Cipro in government.

Thompson bragged about his negotiating skills against Cipro's manufacturer, the old I.G. Farben spin-off Bayer in a 300 million dose deal.

Meanwhile innocent US Postal Service employees were exposed to anthrax while working in HOT ZONES:grr:

Today Hauer is in charge of US public bio-defense. What a set-up, heh?

[porphyrian]

36. Bayer, hmm...?

If you are right, it would seem that Bayer has done little to change its marketing strategies. I'm not exactly sure about the timing, but didn't they start running those take-Bayer-aspirin-or-have-a-fatal-heart-attack commercials right around then?

[JunkYardDogg]

37. Don't Forget about Felix Rodriguez

He of Bay of Pigs and probably the JFK assination
He worked with Bush on the Contras' self Help Program
and now he's with the Swift garbage Barge Bildge Brigrade

[Postman]

38. I have always believed it to be the work of some neo-con nutjob...

allied with the Bush administration...

Why would they do it?

To solidify support for the "war on terror" in whatever form that entails (spending money, creating new gov't departments, etc. etc.) basically expanding the power of gov't and eroding the power of the people.

[Dave Reynolds]

39. Bill and Hillary.

Ask any Freeper, they'll tell ya.

[ComerPerro]

40. The Bush Administration, or just some lone white conservative asshole

If it wasn't done by the Administration, I can at least guarantee that it was done by a conservative, right wing extremist asshole, probaly a white male.

Consider the targets: Dem Senate Leader Tom Daschle and well-known members of the "liberal media".

Notice that not a single conservative was sent anthrax?

[Just Me]

46. Prolly not hurtin' for a livin'

:bounce:

[Skip Intro]

42. Didn't the attacks come just before the "patriot" act was passed?

Didn't the attacks target certain members of the media and congress just before the "patriot" act was passed without any scrutiny from the media and congress?

[CityZen-X]

44. And.......pass the envelope please......

only Democrats in the Congress and Senate received the dust. No Rethugs!