History is repeating itself

[still_one]

This is the same crap how we got into Viet Nam. Then it was communism, now it is terrorism.

We went to Viet Nam based on a lie, Gulf of Token
We went to Iraq based on a lie, WMDs

Anyone who was against the Viet Nam war was a communist or unamerican

Anyone who was against going into Iraq was anti-american

Both wars used fear, and the media to propogate it

Both wars were run by people who didn't understand the HISTORY of the countries they were invading

Unfortunately, we are going to pay the consequences of our actions

[ALago1]

1. True

You'd think that since Vietnam should still be fresh in the minds of the people now in charge of running things, that we'd stop and pause to see these reemerging trends.

Just more evidence, in my opinion, that we have regressed into a culture of overstimulated amnesiacs.

[still_one]

3. funny, they don't even remeber the civil rights struggle in this country

[benburch]

2. Cleared to Taxi

March 10, 2003

Cleared to Taxi

Vietnam 2 Pre-Flight Check

By CounterPunch Wire

1. Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.

2. No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.

3. Imposing country boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.

4. Unshakable faith in our superior technology? Check.

5. France secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

6. Russia secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

7. China secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

8. SecDef pushing a conflict the JCS never wanted? Check.

9. Fear we'll look bad if we back down now? Check.

10. Corrupt Texan in the WH? Check.

11. Land war in Asia? Check.

12. Right unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.

13. Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.

14. Soldiers about to be dosed with our own chemicals? Check.

15. Friendly fire problem ignored instead of solved? Check.

16. Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.

17. B-52 bombers? Check.

18. Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.

19. Infighting among the branches of the military? Check.

20. Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.

21. Local experts ignored? Check.

22. Local politicians ignored? Check.

23. Locals used to conflicts lasting longer than the USA has been a country? Check.

24. Against advice, Prez won't raise taxes to pay for war? Check.

25. Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.

26. Use of nukes hinted at if things don't go our way? Check.

27. Unpopular war? Check.

Vietnam 2, you are cleared to taxi.

[still_one]

5. it gives me chills

[Inland]

4. The neocons agree. They merely think that Vietnam could have ended well

They think that the real problem with vietnam wasn't anything you describe. It was stopping. It was not sticking with the war for another fifty thou dead, more lies, more money, more antidemocratic actions.

So when you tell a neocon that Iraq looks like Vietnam, they will lie and say, no no no. But in their hearts, they say yes it is, but with the twist: we aren't trying to leave the quagmire.

[still_one]

6. Then they are still idiots

China couldn't control viet nam

they would have fought to the last person. What aragant fools we are

[kiki]

7. We're not trying to leave it YET...

...but neither were LBJ and Tricky Dicky, until un-American liberal hippy pinkos at home started talking them into it.

And twenty years after Iraqnam is over and has become widely known as another shameful episode in America's history, look for the neo-fascist scumbags coming out of the woodwork and blaming the defeat on... guess who?

You guys!

[fudge stripe cookays]

8. They don't even need 20 years...

they're doing it now!

FSC

[Inland]

9. Sure nuff. We'll bug out, Iraq will collapse, and it will be all

our fault because we wouldn't stick it out when victory was JUST AROUND THE CORNER.