Anti-War DUers, it's time to Mobilize for Iran

[kohodog]

We knew Iraq was coming and couldn't stop it. Can we stop Bush from bombing Iran and turning the whole region on itself and us? We'd better get out in front of this one and shake some sense into our Reps (if that's possible).

I don't think bumper stickers and prosests will do it. We need to shout the alert now though and wake people up. The nightmare is only beginning.

Check it out:

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/02/20/scott_ritter_says_us_will_attack_iran_in_june.php

From Newshounds:

Scott Ritter Says US Will Attack Iran in June

(Scott) Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran’s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism...

...Scott Ritter said that although the peace movement failed to stop the war in Iraq, it had a chance to stop the expansion of the war to other nations like Iran and Syria. He held up the specter of a day when the Iraq war might be remembered as a relatively minor event that preceded an even greater conflagration.

[neweurope]

1. AND Syria! The're revving up on Syria, too!

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[Kerrytravelers]

2. Southern California DUers, I posted in the California forum.

We're looking to form an anti-war group. Many of us are from the Kerry camoaign and have now formed a PAC. The anti-war group is outside the PAC, but those of us organizing are part of this massive political movement.

If you're in the So. Cal area and want to be a part of this, let me know. PM or email me and I'll be in touch.

[flyingfysh]

4. Syria makes even less sense than the others

* was already having torture outsourced to Syria. If the US attacks Syria, they may decide not to torture for the US any more.

[neweurope]

5. Ah - one prison more or less - Ukraine will be glad to oblidge I'm sure!

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[kohodog]

6. Yeah, and there's always Abu Garib and Afghanistan, Packistan to name

a few.

[Cyrano]

3. Remember Kent State?

Getting out into the streets and demonstrating against this administration means taking your life in your hands. It ain't the 60's no more.

These swine will do anything, ANYTHING, they want to do and heaven help anyone who dares to oppose them (publicly).

How do we stop them? Right now, I don't have an answer. But I know for sure that public demonstrations are not the way. I live in Florida and I saw what happened in Miami when they had an international trade meeting there. The demonstrators were attacked by police battalions that were dressed like Darth Vador. National media coverage was non-existant and local news coverage talked about the "an unruly mob." The mob consisted of many senior citizens who couldn't get out of the way of police run amok.

Wake the fuck up, people. We are living under a tyrannical dictatorship that needs to be opposed in ways not yet suggested.

[neweurope]

7. Those who do should make sure to personally invite foreign media.

And it should be a well known or "high ranking person" that invites them. PREFERABLY a well-known Democrat *dream* or an actor or something. Michael Moore - anybody who holds some "credibility". With foreign media present either the police are not as violent - or other countries finally get to see what it's all about.

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[Cyrano]

8. neweurope: the Bush administration doesn't care what anyone thinks.

If they used machine guns to mow down demonstrators in the streets, they would find a way to spin it so that they were merely "protecting people against a terrorist attack," or some such piece of bullshit.

The so-called media in this country is, for all practical purposes, dead or lap-dogs of the Bush administration.

Even photos of Americans being murdered in the streets would change nothing. We've seen the torture photos from Abu Ghraib, and we've heard of what is taking place in Guantanamo and elsewhere. So fucking what? Even those of us who are beyond outrage are helpless to stop the juggernaut of ignorance, indifference and fascism rolling over us.

[neweurope]

11. It WOULD help if only in the long haul (sp?). If such pictures were

shown in Europe - and they would be - people would demand of their governments not to help the US further.

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[kohodog]

12. Interesting, I was just wondering how to broaden our discussions

to other Countries. If the people of the world are the "other" superpower, what mechanism (like DU) can be developed to allow discussion and solidarity? Watching the Clinton (Hillary) press conference from Iraq I was fascinated by the sudden reach for headphones when a question in a foreign language came up so they could get a translation. I remember the same thing as a kid visiting the UN.

Is this a crazy idea, or should it be considered? Imagine a site like DU where people from many parts of the world who don't necessarily speak the same language can talk.

[neweurope]

13. In my eyes it would be extremely important. Reach out to Attac and

Indymedia for a start - and do it soon... Link up wherever you can, send them e-mails (Europeans speak English so don't be shy) and suggest this. For a starter ask them to link DU. I do not know enough about the internet - sorry I cannot be more helpful - but in my opinion the internet while making life worse for us (jobwise for instance) offers the first opportunity for a real world-wide opposition. If you stick to US problems - and we to European problems (which we seldom do, though) - we are all lost. The Bushistas are just the spearhead. Industry in our countries is not as powerful but has exactly the same aims. And our industry pressures our governments. The people need to get together. Remember how much impact one single voice like Riverbend had here!

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[0rganism]

9. Can we stop Bush from bombing Iran? Nope.

No, we cannot stop bush from invading the Middle East. He will do it, because he can increase his power, and that of his allies, by doing so. One more multi-million "focus group" is not going to change his mind. The only thing that could possibly slow the bushwars is a divided or Democrat-controlled congress. The next two years are carte-blanche for bush.

Speaking for myself, in the short run, all that my protesting and boycotting has accomplished is to put some psychic distance between me and the cruel consequences of bushwar. I can look at the gruesome images and read the articles and say, "at least I stood against those atrocities, at least I spoke out to the full extent the law allowed." Had I remained silent, I would go to my grave knowing that I had not so much as spoken out against it.

[kohodog]

10. I feel the same way, but now I wonder if there is anything we can do

to stop this. I'd certainly rather keep it from happening and be labeled an "alarmist" when it doesn't. I'm not well connected, but feel that if we act now we can perhaps keep it from happening. There must be a few people of influence who feel betrayed by the situation in Iraq.