bush is touring Europe to threaten & bully the world, & kick off WWIII

[mopaul]

Only his speech writers call it spreading democracy. He threatens Russia, France, Germany, and boldly threatens Iran, N. Korea and all the middle east with 'spreading democracy'.

We've utterly forgotten what Hitler did, but Europe hasn't, the European leaders will shake his hand for the cameras, but they loathe him, and the bribes balance out all the threats.

Oh, and above all, he's over there to EMBARRASS US.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Agreed. Theme of the trip: You were told, but you wouldn't listen.

[whathappened]

2. why don't the one's

who just don't like this fool turn there backs on this little twit and show him he isn't a man worth shacking hands with

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Because unlike Bush

they actually have class. Bush is just a dork.

[count_alucard]

3. I could not have put it better myself

Bush is way more dangerous than Hitler ever dreamed of being. Not only has he more 'nukelar' capabilities, but also counts with the support of at least 55% of Americans, evil, blood thirsty and loathsomely ignorant Americans.

[SweetLeftFoot]

4. Chill Pill Phil

Bush is scum, but's let's not be going overboard here. He's only in the Little League at the moment.

[count_alucard]

6. I hate to see what happens when he gets in the 'Big League'.

even in the 'Little League' Bush has been able to cause a lot of carnage already.

[SweetLeftFoot]

8. There is a vast distance

between the horror Bush is inflicting now and what the likes of Hitler did.

[count_alucard]

11. really?

I don't think either Iraqi or Afghani civilians see a 'vast' difference between both AT ALL. In my view, Bush is potentially more dangerous.

[SweetLeftFoot]

14. I'm not defending

Bush's actions in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are illegal, counter-productive and vicious. But until the death camps emerge (and DON'T try and compare Abu Ghraib to Belsen or Sobibor), it's simply a facile, and quite frankly offensive, comparison.

[Bridget Burke]

19. Now's the time to stop him.

If we wait until the death camps, it will be too late.

Sorry if you're offended!

[count_alucard]

51. 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been butchered by George W. Bush

there are NO WORDS that can even begin to properly 'offend' this abomination.

Bush and Hitler are exactly the same to me, two blood-thirsty monsters who seek world domination.

[gandalf]

5. When he visits Germany tomorrow, the city of Mainz will be shut down

No ships can travel on the Rhine river, children don't have to go to school ("Bush-frei"), all the highways (autobahnen) around the city of Mainz are closed or can be used in only one direction. People who live near the areas where Bush will invade must carry their ID cards and are not allowed to receive visitors. Many shops have to close tomorrow, train connections will be cancelled.

All this because "the leader of the free world" invades Mainz for some hours.

"Schools will be closed, public transport diverted and both river and air traffic suspended on the day Bush passes through Mainz on a three-nation European tour that will also take him to Brussels and Bratislava, Slovakia.

Two highways will be closed while Bush is driven the 30 kilometers, or 20 miles, from Frankfurt airport to Mainz. Should there be problems on the highways, two helicopters brought in from the United States will be used instead.
(...)
Bush remains unpopular in Germany despite recent efforts by Washington to move beyond Iraq and get the German-American alliance back on track. In a recent BBC survey, 77 percent of Germans said they believed his re-election made the world more dangerous."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/14/news/bush.html

[ffm172]

7. Right now I am glad I live in Frankfurt

and not in Mainz. A lot of people will have troubles to get to work if they get there at all. I don#t think Bush will make a lot of friends in Mainz.

[gandalf]

9. Working for a bank there?

I lived in FFM for about one year...

[ffm172]

12. No, not a bank

in a museum.

[neweurope]

13. Factories like Opel are closing down because of tranportation problems.

The workers will have to work the week end to make up for it. I have been spitting mad in a number of posts here. But actually maybe it's not all that bad - people who generally don't do much thinking are very annoyed with Bush right now.

And I'm still trying to find out what legal basis allows American snipers on German balconies... Balconies which their owners are not allow to step on that day.

Greetings from Hanau to Frankfurt :hi:

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[ffm172]

16. I read your posts before

greetings back to Hanau :hi:

But isn't it nice that people have to give up their weekends to catch up with their work? /sarcasm off
One can just hope that some of the people who are off tomorrow gather together and protest against *

[gandalf]

17. Probably "International Treaties"

allow US snipers to do that... as Mr Bush is a big fan of international treaties...

[neweurope]

18. *g* I think it has a lot to di with Germany still not being a fully

sovereign state... OR it was pressure on the Germans, a power display. I'd really like to know. Can anybody here imagine GERMAN snipers in DC???

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[Iterate]

42. Hello Frankfurt, Mainz is no fun

Hello ffm172,

Mainz is quiet tonight, but there is no telling what will happen tomorrow. Most people I know have given up on the idea of getting to work. I can tell you what people here wish would happen...ugly and memorable but not necessarily bloody. After all, he's not their President and even though Germans are generally politically astute, they are also mainly pacifists.

And it won't matter what he says, he'll still be the most despised American of all time. It's actions that matter, not platitudes, and he's not going to change those stripes.

We've been warned by a friend in the know to stay home tomorrow. FYI, I see there's a demo planned for Frankfurt tomorrow as well.

[ffm172]

50. there is?

I haven't heard about it (the demo). But I have to work, my colleague took the day of (but not because of *). It was in the news today that there was already a demo in Mainz tonight. And I think * will see more of that tomorrow. No matter where he goes to in Germany there will be protest against him and his politics.

[count_alucard]

10. that's what happens

when 99% of the 'free world' despizes its 'leader' and would love to see him go.

[jmatthan]

15. The Americans must be made to pay for this

eom

[Bridget Burke]

20. We're paying for it.

Our economy has gone down the tubes, with future generations in debt to finance the Bush wars & tax cuts. Education, health care & the environment are suffering. Our Social Security system is being threatened.

And we lost about 3000 people on 9/11 (although not all who died that day were US citizens) & about 1500 in Iraq. Many more will have to die before we can rid ourselves of this fool.

[jmatthan]

43. I mean hard cash for production loss wherever this Madman goes

and the cost of providing security, etc.

Why should us Europeans foot his bill?

Jacob Matthan
http://jmatthan.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Why the hell don't they use the helicopters in the first place?

If you've got an expensive bit of kit available that means you don't have to shut down an entire city to go 30km, why the **** not use it? Bush is looking like Kim Jong Il. I hope to god he gets pelted with eggs and tomatoes the entire way.

[gandalf]

30. But they use them -- since several days already...

Helicopters will be circling above the city for sure.

[neweurope]

31. He won't get pelted with anything because they throw the people

practically out of their own city (the part he'll be anyway). As to why he doen't take the helicopter - the only answer I can come up with is: It's a demonstration of power. Shutting down a whole region with millions of people (750.000 alone are being affected by the train shutdowns) - that's POWER.

It' also POWER to insist on American snipers on German roofs. Imagine what YOU would say if Chirac or Schröder insisted on bringing their own snipers with them, positioning them on the roofs of DC...

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[muriel_volestrangler]

36. Oh, I know the feeling

I'm British, and hated the amount of road closures in central London that had to be done just to get the Chimp driven a few blocks. Unfortunately, they used the helicopter from the grounds of Buckingham Palace, and (a) terrified the flamingos (b) ruined the flowers. The Chimp should be restricted to places with helipads. Or a mental asylum.

[neweurope]

38. A mental asylum, I quite agree.

:hi:

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[Iterate]

47. His entourage is too large...

... for helicopters. Besides, the reports of the early planning of this visit indicate that they actually thought he would get a warm welcome here (unlike Berlin). They seem to have though he would take a walking tour, see some sights, visit with the happy camper natives. It turned out not to be so, far too risky politically. Now they’re stuck with a high risk motorcade through a congested area and the only way through without an egg toss is to race down the streets and threaten the residents into staying out of sight. Those who are not easily intimidated will be kept at bay by 12,000 (at least, that’s today’s report) brutes from Leipzig who are not smiling behind those face shields.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Why should they

have to stop their daily routines for this nonsense of a president? I guess the kids would be happy to have a day off? :shrug:

[SouthernDem2004]

21. What threats? I have listened to some of the speeches but missed any

threats. Please provide link....

[mopaul]

22. your ears and mine don't work the same apparently

if you can't hear bush making threats, turn up your hearing aid a bit.

[SouthernDem2004]

23. Before you get insulting maybe you should provide a single link to

your claim. Odd, my reply was not insulting but was just seeking information about something I may have missed. So are you attacking me because you made a false claim or are you just hostile?

[DemonFighterLives]

26. His threats are cloaked in democracy speak

He wants to bomb Iran and wants Syria out of Lebanon. If those are not threats to the world at large, I'll eat my hat.

[SouthernDem2004]

27. Ah but he did not say he wanted to bomb anyone. I thought I might have

missed something but I guess not. The original poster made false and misleading statements. The whole heading of this forum is inaccurate. People should mention when it is their opinion and not actually a fact.

[DemonFighterLives]

28. Dubby is not going to tell the truth

That is a given and we (dems) have learned it well. The drones over Iran mean nothing, just some folks playing with radio controlled toys.

[SouthernDem2004]

29. Maybe but the there still have been no threats against Europe and

I do not see us bombing Iran. It is just not in our best interest. On the other hand, I could see us providing intel and equipment to Israel and Israel bombing Iran.

[neweurope]

32. Rest assured that nobody would even shake his hand over here if they

weren't threatened and bullied. Of course not even a US-president would be stupid enough to threaten "the leaders of the free world" openly.

And when a US president demands that Ukraine and Russia be allowed into EU I at least call this bullying. If you said this to me it would be just an opinion. If Bush, biggest bully on the block, says it it is bullying. At such a meeting they don't just "express opinions".

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[SouthernDem2004]

33. Still not basing anything on fact. You do not know what goes on behind

the scenes. Europe and the U.S. both need to get along for their own benefit. To say their attempts to get along is based on threats from the U.S. is incorrect and there is not an ounce of evidence to say that has happened.

[neweurope]

34. Dream on :)

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[SouthernDem2004]

35. Well since facts do not seem to matter I guess I will just have to say

good luck to you.


Peace.

[neweurope]

39. Thank you, we need all the good luck we can get :)

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[Iterate]

46. Exactly...

right you are. The EU is no longer intimidated by the US and will pursue its own policies for it's own reasons. What they are afraid of is the US increasing its role as rouge state: powerful, dangerous, clueless, and arrogant. That's huge risk to everyone, and if they can mitigate it they will.

I'm beginning to think the worm has turned. We might start seeing it as Bush coming here for EU forgiveness, offering the EU concessions, dropping the bully boy facade. It's the EU model for increasing prosperity and spreading peace and democracy that is winning the day while the US is squandering its wealth and goodwill.

[Goathead]

37. Threats:

President Discusses American and European Alliance in Belgium

Concert Noble
Brussels, Belgium

The Lebanese people have the right to be free, and the United States and Europe share an interest in a democratic, independent Lebanon. My nation and France worked to pass Security Council Resolution 1559, which demands that Lebanon's sovereignty be respected, that foreign troops and agents be withdrawn, and that free elections be conducted without foreign interference. In the last several months, the world has seen men and women voting in historic elections, from Kabul to Ramallah to Baghdad -- and without Syrian interference, Lebanon's parliamentary elections in the spring can be another milestone of liberty.

[peekaloo]

25. if I hear one more news whore characterize his trip as a "charm

offensive" I may implode. He'll be praised upon his return as the glorious "uniter" and the world will grasp hands and sing the old Coke anthem about being in perfect harmony. La-di-fuckin-da.

Watching Bu$h throw back his head in girlish laughter makes me want to puke.

[Goathead]

40. I just read his Brussels speech

The observer went on to say, "There was scarcely a peasant or a citizen who did not consider him as a friend to human kind." I have been hoping for a similar reception --(laughter) -- but Secretary Rice told me I should be a realist. (Laughter.)

Every speech he makes abroad he starts off with a sarcastic crack about how well received he was by the people of such and such great nation. his way of dismissing and ignoring the thousands of protesters that great him WHENEVER he goes abroad. Fucking little prick, how I loathe him!

[mr blur]

41. Well, as a European,

watching this clown on the news, I have to say that he did sound threatening. Oh, it was all cloaked in "allies spreading freedom" bullshit but nevertheless there was a feeling of "We're-gunna-do-this-anyhow-so-you-better-be-on-our-side" behind what he said. Obviously I can't speak for all Europeans but I'd guess that you'd have to search hard here to find someone who didn't think he was a stupid, bullying, dangerous idiot. The more the rest of the world sees of him the more the US sinks in their estimation. Which is a bad thing, because we know he doesn't speak for all Americans but, you see, he was voted in, so he certainly speaks for many Americans and this is the problem.

[Pooka Fey]

49. Imagine how you would hate ** if you had to watch him destroy your country

Bush is raping the U.S. - and he thinks he is doing God's will. Most people that post on DU know that the Repubs cheated and stole this election because there is NO WAY he could win fairly. They cheated in the U.S. and they cheated in Iraq to get the results they wanted. It not the votes that count, it's who counts the votes.

The press is in collusion with the Repug administration so we are unable to get this truth out in front of the public. Kerry seems to have been a "false alternative" because he conceded while there were pending legal challenges to the Ohio vote certification and reams of documented evidence of massive (hundreds of thousands of voters) minority voter disenfranchisment.

How do you peacefully overturn a silent coup? The fascists own the president, the congress, the courts, and the press. They have spent 30 years dumbing down public education so that a stupid and anesthetized public couldn't protest. Our own selfish, violent, greedy and addictive society has as much blame as those who used it to their advantage, I admit.

I've had a headache for 2 days watching the news about how this imperial dictator is strutting around Europe embarrassing the hell out of our nation - and I wish the rest of the world did not have to endure him. We are on the same side.

[genieroze]

48. he's over there to EMBARRASS US. Well he's doing a good job then. eom