WP, Kurtz: "Cyber-Cease Fire?"

[DeepModem Mom]

Cyber-Cease Fire?
Tuesday, Feb 22, 2005; 10:00 AM

In all the recent hoo-hah over Dan Rather, Eason Jordan and Jeff Gannon, the plot line has been clearly established: bloggers versus the mainstream media.

From one viewpoint, it's brave, tireless, iconoclastic citizen journalists using new technology to take on the big, arrogant, lazy and biased MSM.

From the other side of the divide, it's partisan, opinionated, sometimes reckless and slightly crazy bloggers trying to lynch responsible journalists who, unlike their online tormentors, are at least trying to be fair.

But what if this good-versus-kinda evil template is wrong?

What if each side shouldn't view the other as the enemy?

A possible thaw in this cold war has emerged, courtesy of Bill Keller....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/kurtzhoward/

[cthrumatrix]

1. Howie IS the enemy -- Corporate Media Cartel must be brought down

nothing more than propaganda

[Walt Starr]

2. Ahhhh, the MSM are trying to seduce bloggers to the Dark Side

No thanks.

[blm]

3. Howie views Gannon as a responsible journalist. Rove told him so.

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[burythehatchet]

25. Just have to look at the first line

Rather, Jordan, and Gannon in the same sentence.

[rocktivity]

4. It's is about truth vs. lies, not good vs. evil

And I'm on the side that's telling the truth--completely, accurately, and objectively--no matter who it hurts. The MSM dislikes liberal bloggers, at least, because they keep catching the MSM in shilling, misleading, conspiring, ignoring, whoring, stonewalling, and out-and-out LIES. The blogosphere formed as the result of dissatisfaction with MSM coverage, and now bloggers are supposed go crawling to them for forgiveness?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Spazito]

5. My chin dropped to my keyboard when I read this...

"Keller edits what bloggers view as the biggest and baddest MSM property around, the New York Times. And it turns out he gets it. He reads bloggers, understands where they're coming from and doesn't lapse into the knee-jerk defensiveness that many other Old Media types display toward the new usurpers."

Is Howie so blind in his opinion that he does NOT see that Keller's description:

"knee-jerk defensiveness that many other Old Media types lapse into"

describes Howie to a T?

[Eloriel]

28. Bingo

I think the whole exchange is stooopid, but if Keller isn't defensive -- and dismissive, I don't know what he is.

Kurz is embarrassing himself yet again. He seems to get more pathetic with each passing day.

[PATRICK]

6. The Internet bloggers know what they are

the media is still a fraud. The cartoonish premise is in fact, scarily, the real one. When they start talking about fair journalists(hah, they do a lot of fearful whining for all their customary arrogance in adjudicating truth) they have made the case for the first few lines.

When the media is forced to have a functional and independent news service they can talk. As of now the job has been abdicated to admitted Web amateurs who have little to compete against except the arrogance and lies of the real power, the deadly monopoly of widespread access and print dominance. The Web people also have the same trolls in their midst as those now sponsored by power and dominating the news "disservices".

Spare the accommodation and flattery and do the job and the amateurs can recede a bit into journalistic perspective. The fault lies not in the blogs but ourselves, the media "victims" should say. Real journalists, those fired fro trying to do their jobs should flood the Internet and make this revolt against propaganda work even better.

[No Exit]

7. Ha ha! The losing side is trying to make nice with the winning side!

Don't fall for it, bloggers! Crush 'em!

[JohnyCanuck]

10. Exactly n/t

[Walt Starr]

11. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then

YOU WIN!"

[No Exit]

13. YEAH!! Onward, Bloggers, victory is in sight!!

[punpirate]

8. Mistah Kurtz say...

... bullets getting too close to home.... :)

[Al-CIAda]

9. Fuck him. He has FAILED us, HE is an OBSTRUCTION to truth.

[nostamj]

12. HOWIE HOWIE HOWIE....

missed the boat again!

brave, tireless, iconoclastic citizen journalists using new technology to take on the big, arrogant, lazy and biased MSM.

now, HOWIE, those would be the LIBERALS, OK? doing the work and reporting what YOU and your 'MSM' check-cashing, butt-licking collegues refuse to do.

From the other side of the divide, it's partisan, opinionated, sometimes reckless and slightly crazy bloggers trying to lynch responsible journalists who, unlike their online tormentors, are at least trying to be fair.

now, HOWIE, you know perfectly well that you're describing the CONSERVATIVE bloggers here. Rather is a 'responsible' journalist, Gannon is a WHORE (in every sense of the word) and if one can be 'tormented' because of the FACTS OF THEIR LIFE... well, you're just a check-cashing, butting, WHORE yourself, so, you'd never get it anyway.

[Stirk]

14. It's not blogs vs. corporate media, it's *facts* vs. corporate media.

If the big corporate media outlets would report the facts, blogs wouldn't be relevant.

People like Kurtz just don't get it.

[Al-CIAda]

15. "Those darn bloggers, all they have is FACTS!" -eom

[annabanana]

19. BINGO... we have a winner!

They brought it all on themselves with their endless sucking up to power. Now they will either have to change, or wither.

[oasis]

16. Kurtz and his ilk are the enemies of truth. That's the war we're fighting.

[spanone]

17. I think the MSM knows what a shitty job they have been doing

and are running scared. There is no 'investigative journalism' among the biggies. When blogs dig up the real shit it is just as important as if the biggies do it.

[grasswire]

18. don't forget, though....

....that another set of bloggers exists and is being considered here by Kurtz, too -- those on the right of the sort who fraudulently pushed the Swiftboaters and took out Eason Jordan and Dan Rather.

Mistah Kurtz might be fully correct in his complaints about them. They do NOT aspire to truth. They aspire to sheer thuggery.

[Mandate My Ass]

20. Eat shit, Howie.

That's all you ever serve up in your column and now it's time to suck down what you've been dishing up for years, buddy. That goes for the rest of the WaPo and NYT whores who are being tormented. :nopity:

Trying to be fair? Spare me. Your keyboard was in overdrive during the Clinton administration and the Lewinsky scandal. Now we have Gannon. Get ready for Spin Cycle II, Revenge is a dish best served by a hot military stud.

The foreign press knew a story when they saw one and they pretty much reported the facts that the reckless, crazy bloggers uncovered much to your evident chagrin.

[Beetwasher]

21. The D'jinn Is OUT OF THE BOTTLE FUCKWAD!!!

Free speech rules. Fuck you Howie you whore. This is an information war and your side BLOWS. THANK YOU AL GORE!!!!

[FlyByNight]

22. Howard, if you and your fellow journalists...

simply bothered to do their jobs and not be whore-ish careerists...

Just a thought.

[Quixote1818]

23. As far as I am concerned anything that brings new information into light

is a good thing even if the person doing it is bias. After new things are uncovered then the MSM can take over the story. It's 95% good and 5% bad.

[smoogatz]

24. The MSM and "fairness."

When did journalism become an exercise in fairness? What happened to trying to find and report the truth?

[Emboldened Chimp]

26. Attack, attack, attack!

They're weakening. Keep up the pressure!

[SoCalDem]

27. Ummmm, Howie....pay attention, please

We are LIVING in a "good v evil...black v white...with us v agin' us" existence.. You MEDIA types PUT us here, and now you want to call a truce??

Get REAL !!

We've barely begun :P

[DesEtoiles]

29. How would Howie describe what FOX NEWS HAS BEEN DOING?????

[Eloriel]

30. This might be a good place for this link

Peggy Noonan knocked my socks off with this absolute gem:

Link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006302
discussed here: The Blogs Must Be Crazy by Peggy Noonan http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3134617

[mandyky]

31. At either Kos or MYDD, a diarist wrote an article

I wipe my butt with your white flag or some such thing!!
Good idea! Kurtz is sleeze.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. No justice no peace

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