Apparantly I picked a bad day for my first listening to Ed Schultz

[HereSince1628]

His view on treatment of erectile dysfunction is il-lilberal
More over it is anti-progressive, and his popularism
is that of the ignorant.

I wish I had listened on a different day :(

[Langis]

1. He has good and bad days

Some days I have to turn him off because I am so mad...


You can tell he used to be a Conservative.

[HereSince1628]

2. Well, based on today, I'm not sure I'll ever go back.

I get the idea that the democratic party is a big tent.

BUT GODDAMMIT!!! He has NO business calling himself a progressive.
I heard him claim being a progressive. THAT Pissed me off.

I've lived in N. Minnesota, he is a friggin right winger compared to the people I've met from Fargo, Mil Lacs, Black Duck, Ball Club, Duluth, Bemidji, Red Lake, Elizabeth, Grand Rapids, Duluth, etc.

I'm disappointed. I suppose it shows

[Carrion]

3. Interesting...

Is there really a liberal versus conservative position on E.D??????

[HereSince1628]

6. Yeah, I think that there is...

Here is how I'd outline it...

A liberal is a person that is broadly open minded.


A conservative is a person that is the opposite...which is narrow minded, referrring here to just the issue of how broadly one defines an issue.

Disease is defined in pathology testbooks as a departure from normal physiological function.

Now a liberal view is one that broadly allows all physiological dysfunction to be considered diseases worth treating if a treatment is available.

A conservative view is one that narrowly defines diseases worth treating. On Ed Schultz that means those that are life-threatening. And that is a much much narrower (conservative) definition.

[Lefty_the_Right]

4. I kinda agree with you in general about Ed

But I'm not sure I agree on this issue?

I turned him on right as he was ending that discussion, but what was it he said that you didn't agree with?

I thought that he was saying that viagra being paid for, and birth control isn't, is inconsistant?

[HereSince1628]

8. He was suggesting agreement with the concept that e.d. shouldn't

be funded under medicare.

[Lefty_the_Right]

12. Are you sure he isn't saying

That if you are going to fund one, you should fund the other?

And if you aren't, you should be promoting the one that leads to sex?

I think it just part of the right wing hypocrisy that he is pointing out.

[HereSince1628]

15. That's not what I heard

He had some representative on and interviewed who had introduced legislation against funding viagra, cialis etc. And then he said he agreed with him.

[Lefty_the_Right]

18. How long did you listen?

Because he just said what I thought he was saying.

If you are going to fund one, you should fund the other.

[HereSince1628]

21. I've been listening for an hour or so

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

5. i like ed

didn't hear the bit you mentioned, but he's been great on the gannon stuff

[KoKo]

7. I missed today...but he's looking for the Limbaugh audience and

I couldn't understand what he said that disappointed you...but compared to Limbaugh and what's been on my local radio for years which is RW and Religious Hatred...I'm happy to have Schultz. You wouldn't believe how bad it's been if you live in the South.

He's okay...give him another chance. He does have our Dem Congress on quite a bit and has supported the Washington State Recount and Media Reform. He has Rep. Louise Slaughter on all the time and she's fighting to get the "Fairness Doctrine" reinstated and also to get investigation of Guckert.

Most of the time I think he tries to be the "everyman" and it makes him sound kind of conservative. He's more conservative than I am, but I always get where he's coming from and understand that where I live there are more like him than me. Plus the Limbaugh style attracts those who might be sick of Limbaugh and are looking for a substitute.

Other Du'ers find him hard to take, too, though.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

10. he converted my barry goldwater repuplican landlord

and got two guys in my apolitical family hooked, so there's something to be said for his style

[HereSince1628]

11. I'm not surprised based on today

If you can convince people THIS is the democratic party its a half step from Barry AuH2O.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

13. he's got them taking about media reform and saving social security

so he's ok in my book -

[Quixote1818]

14. What show are you listening to?????

[HereSince1628]

17. http://cc.liquidviewer.com/radio/standard/radioplayer.php?UID=4#

and its sad to think that he is feeding this crap to people who think he is liberal and protection.

he says a person should "OWN YOUR OWN ERECTION"

[jdj]

19. is he some loud domineering forceful guy who

men don't think will secretly shrink their balls or something?

Is he like Limbaugh in that way?

I just think those men are mostly libertarian and if they are on our side of the line it's by a pinky toe.

[Quixote1818]

22. Not even close.

[HereSince1628]

23. I'd say, loud and pitching voice as argumentative maybe an

attempt at domineering.

I think a voice pattern analysis on Limbaugh and Schultz might show a majority of similarities.

But, I don't mind his voice so much as I dislike his philosophical orientation:

It isn't close to broad-minded (although it is anti-Bush)

It isn't about expanding rights and quality of life.

[Quixote1818]

9. I think he is fine today. Ed Rocks!

[RamboLiberal]

16. Guess I'm not a liberal cause I'm with Big Ed on this one

I'd rather see Medicare take care of drugs for seniors that are necessary. I just don't see erectile dsyfunction drugs as being necessary. I'd rather not see my tax dollars funding the pharmaceutical companies advertising these drugs ad nauseum.

When we don't have seniors and others struggling to pay drug costs they absolutely need to keep them alive then I'd be willing to talk about tax dollars paying for what I see as lifestyle drugs.

[HereSince1628]

20. I guess on this one you aren't, by your own admission

And I don't have a problem with democrats spanning from liberal to conservative views.

[mantis49]

27. I'm with you Rambo.

Medicare is truly in trouble.

Erectile dysfunction secondary to venous insufficiency of the penis is not a life threatening problem. I think there has to be a limit somewhere.

Birth control was mentioned in some previous posts. There are not many 65+ year old women on Medicare wanting contraceptives.

[BuyingThyme]

24. There are some gray areas...

..like cosmetic surgeries, hair transplants and the like.

So, I suspect there are gray areas in penis health also.

I can't fault Ed for drawing a line.

But, I do fault him for not understanding that it wasn't the CIA who sent us to war in Iraq.

[HereSince1628]

25. The issue for me is expanding ALL types of treatment where

there is pathology and where there is effective treatment.

Moreover, I think making a comparison between hair transplants and e.d. is a reach. Hair can be treated with wigs, minoxidal as well as hair transplantation.

I am not aware of any surgical treatment for e.d. that is cheaper than viagra, levitra or cialis.

[BuyingThyme]

26. Your comparison between hair transplants and e.d. has been noted.

[UdoKier]

28. I'm not a huge Schultz fan, but you're wrong on this.

ED drugs are not NEARLY as high a priority as many other ailments that are going untreated. With limited resources, it's unconscionable to spend on Viagra & Cialis (and their bloated advertising budgets)

Ed & his guest made a good argument why it shouldn't be covered.

You're on the same side with a lot of republican politicians on this...

[HereSince1628]

30. I understand arguments about limited funds and prioritization

what I don't get is making fun of people, and that was where most of the commentary went, with Big Ed's approval

[UdoKier]

32. I suppose you're right, but...

if it entices people out of Limbaugh's gutter, I'm all for it.

[chaska]

29. This is a one big erect giveaway to the drug companies.

Ed's right.

And to publicly condemn one of our guys who is out there in public fighting for us day in and day out is stupid. Give the man a fair hearing.

[HereSince1628]

31. Hey its the presentation I'm arguing against, his argument is

based on pragmatism that wasn't enlightened in anyway by apologies to liberal or progressive ideals.

[B Calm]

33. White Rose is archiving a new radio show "Bob Kincaid"

I've listened to his last Friday and this Monday shows. I'm impressed, its a very good show. Bob Kincaid reminds me of Thom Hartmann.