Uh Oh!!! Kerry's Foreign Policy advisors: PNAC and Shock and Awe guys

[seventhson]

Will Marshall is PNAC and DLC

See Here:

http://www.hamjournaal.be/international/topics/thema_Iraq/pnac.htm


And one of his other advisors developed "Shock and Awe"

See here:


Kerry's campaign said his "brain trust" includes O'Hanlon; Harlan Ullman, a longtime naval officer and one of the developers of the doctrine of "shock and awe" being used in Iraq, and Will Marshall, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, the think tank associated with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.03.28/news4.html


Defend THAT you Kerry water carriers.

PNAC, DLC AND Shck and Awe all rolled into one John Kerry campaign/

Maybe the Skull thing isn't so significant anymore after all.

well, on second thought,,,,Nahhh.

It all adds up


Peace Y'all and pleasant dreams.

Remember Kerry did this to Himself.

[Brucey]

1. How important is this?

Everyone's got "advisors" that might be all over the board... it doesn't mean you take their advice. Does anyone know how tainted Kerry is on this?

[E_Zapata]

2. That is bad news.

speechless here.

[seventhson]

4. Yeppers

Second PNAC letter (excerpt)

note that Will Marshall is the signatory


"The successful disarming, rebuilding, and democratic reform of Iraq can contribute decisively to the democratization of the wider Middle East. This is an objective of overriding strategic importance to the United States, as it is to the rest of the international community - and its achievement will require an investment and commitment commensurate with that. We offer our full support to the President and Congress to accomplish these vitally important goals."

Ronald Asmus Max Boot Frank Carlucci Eliot Cohen
Ivo H. Daalder Thomas Donnelly Peter Galbraith Robert S. Gelbard Reuel Marc Gerecht Martin S. Indyk Bruce P.Jackson Robert Kagan Craig Kennedy William Kristol Tod Lindberg Will Marshall Danielle Pletka Dennis Ross Randy Scheunemann Gary Schmitt Walter Slocombe James B. Steinberg R. James Woolsey


No WONDER Kerry voted for this demented bucket of blood.

His ADVISORS he hired said it sounded GOOOOOODDDD!!!!

[disgruntella]

10. ah, guilt by association again

Thank goodness. I was afraid you were going to stick to posting facts handpicked from an article that matched your Kerry-bashing agenda.

Fortunately, when the agenda comes out subjectively in posts like this, it's easy to aim at.

And so: where is the proof that Will Marshall influenced Kerry's vote on the IWR?

[seventhson]

28. My Mom always said you are known by the company you keep

PNAC, DLC and the Shock and Awe developer. Yahoo.

Do not let them have the keys to our country, Ma

They will wreck it

[disgruntella]

49. with all due respect to your mother

I do not consider her a primary source.

[seventhson]

52. LOL

But I do

[Andy_Stephenson]

91. My mom says the same thing

and I trust Mom.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

132. seventhson you have a sage mom

yup yup yup my mom also always said "show me your friends and i'll show you what/who you are"

[IkeWarnedUs]

117. Notes on two other people who signed the PNAC letter

Todd Lindberg is a frequent author in The Blueprint, the DLC magazine.

James Steinberg was Deputy National Security Advisor to President Clinton.

[hang a left]

121. Boy what I have learned lately

Clinton admin was loaded to the gills with CFR. Clinton himself CFR, Trilateralist, and Bildeberger.

[KoKo]

64. This is really bad news........

I figured he was the "back up" hold my nose...(forget Liberman)....but this is too hard........What is he thinking? Doesn't he understand how important the Anti-Invasion vote is? And, the Pro Sharon Israel vote didn't do much for Lieberman.......what is this?

[hang a left]

74. Another Curiosity I have

is Kerry's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations

"Globalism did not begin with the Trilateral Commission. The concept of a one-world community stretches back far beyond the twentieth century, but became concentrated in the granddaddy of the modern American secret societies-The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

gonna do a little more research-will be back

On Edit:

Here is one website of many just google anything you are curious about involving these secret societies. But here is a start

http://www.directoryupdate.net/societies.html

[seventhson]

84. Yes indeed!!!

Rockefellers control it. Exxon. Esso. Standard Oil ran/financed Auschwitz according to Tarpley and others.

CFR and Trilteral Commisiion are BOTH Rockefeller enterprises. They picked Carter to run when Ford was going down, Carter was a Rockefeller flunky too.

[blm]

3. He managed to stay on the left while a member of the DLC

unlike Dean who stayed in the center as a member of the DLC.

Kerry has plenty of people who he listens to, but, fortunately he is a brilliant man himself with a good grasp of foreign policy. He can't be easily led like someone without his own experience.

You do know that Gary Hart is also part of the brain trust, don't you?

[JI7]

6. i love gary hart

i want him to run for senate also.

[seventhson]

7. Just how are you related to the Kerrys...

team?

Or is it just my imagination that you will forgive ANYTHING Kerry does, BLM?

I know...

Kerry really shot himself in the foot this time.

Gotta lotta 'splainin' to do, Lucy...

Pity. He looked so good in that uniform.

[blm]

22. Steven Tyler told me to give you this message....

Dream on.

[OrdinaryTa]

66. Kerry's Grasp of Foreign Policy

he is a brilliant man himself with a good grasp of foreign policy

John Kerry voted for the war on Iraq. I don't accept this as "brilliant".

[Andy_Stephenson]

92. Yes and I have video of him advocating a

"New World Order" If you will remember it was George the first who used that phrase.

[Maddy McCall]

5. Wonder why Dean is being so secretive????

Why won't he release requested info that most other candidates released. Impossible to criticize what you can't know, I guess.

[seventhson]

11. Kerry REFUSED to discuss

S&B on MTP this week. Said it was "secret"

You are grasping at straws

[disgruntella]

13. you are grasping at straws

By changing the subject. Progressive, or digressive?

[Andy_Stephenson]

93. I do wonder why Kerry skirted the SnB question....

if there is nothing to it...why the big secrets?

[dsc]

29. I would like the citation

right here and right now. No excuses, no being called net nanny but a citation of any candidate in the top tier for whom you can get the following. Memos from their staffs to them. Memos from them to their staffs. Letters from their constituents to them. Letters from them to their constituents. Those are the ONLY records you can't get on Dean. You made the claim "(Dean) won't release requested info that most other candidates released." Put up or apologize.

[disgruntella]

41. it is in the article of the original post

<Sue Allen, the campaign spokeswoman for former Vermont governor Howard Dean — who has positioned himself as the most anti-war of the leading contenders — declined to release the names of those who are advising her candidate.

"He doesn't give them out," Allen said of Dean, describing his advisers as "a variety of former Clinton administration defense and foreign policy people."

"We're not being cute about it," she said. "These people advise us behind the scene. That's how they prefer it and we prefer it.">

The context of the article is that other candidate spokespeople were naming some of their advisors. The Edwards campaign didn't give the info out either.

[sandnsea]

43. Click the link for chrissake

It's right in the damned article.

"He doesn't give them out," Allen said of Dean, describing his advisers as "a variety of former Clinton administration defense and foreign policy people."

"We're not being cute about it," she said. "These people advise us behind the scene. That's how they prefer it and we prefer it."

[Maddy McCall]

44. Did you NOT read the second article linked in the orignal post???

Jeez, if you would have, you would have seen it. So any statement I make against Dean has to be documented with primary sources (according to your LUDICROUS demand above!) but you Deanies are allowed to spread inuendo and CRAP about other candidates as bona fide info. Well, since everyone is lapping at the trough of the first post, I shall use it to demonstrate to you from where I drew my conclusion (which didn't take much critical thinking, considering DEAN'S OWN CAMPAIN SPOKESPERSON SAID IT.)

And I quote:

Sue Allen, the campaign spokeswoman for former Vermont governor Howard Dean — who has positioned himself as the most anti-war of the leading contenders — declined to release the names of those who are advising her candidate.

"He doesn't give them out," Allen said of Dean, describing his advisers as "a variety of former Clinton administration defense and foreign policy people."

"We're not being cute about it," she said. "These people advise us behind the scene. That's how they prefer it and we prefer it."



Oh, and on a final note, fuck apologies--I owe you squat.

[dsc]

67. I will admit I was wrong here

but so were you. The reason is given in the article and thus I assumed you were refering not to this but to his records. I assumed you had read the piece which gave a reason (one which you may or may not agree with but it was a reason). You did ask WHY that implies (no strike that) actually states that YOU DON'T KNOW THE REASON. AS YOU QUOTED THE REASON WAS GIVEN IN THE ARTICLE. SO HYPOCRITE READ THINGS YOURSELF BEFORE YOU TRY EMBARRASS OTHERS. and fuck you too by the way.

[Maddy McCall]

75. Hahahahaha...keep on digging dsc, you'll eventually find your way out

You fucked up, just admit it. Your obviously desperate attempt to find fault with my post is LAUGHABLE! ROTF.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong, though.

[LynneSin]

8. and I'll still vote for Kerry if he gets the nomination

Seriously, move on, this subject is old

[Andy_Stephenson]

95. Um...I really think the subject

is pertinent and should be talked about.

[JI7]

9. harlan ullman said israel needs to end settlements

is he wrong on that also ?

[seventhson]

14. so does Sharon

big deal.

[frank frankly]

12. We do need a definitive Skull & Bones answer from Kerry

Kerry supporters, what is your take on this?
Do you think the S&B is an important question?

[disgruntella]

15. No.

I think it's a conspiracy-theory bat used to bash Kerry with.
Would I bash Bush with the same bat? No, there's plenty of other evidence to bash Bush with that is rooted in fact.

[frank frankly]

18. Look up S&B on google, maybe?

it isn't a conspiracy theory.

funny simpsons frame

but it isn't a conspiracy theory.

[disgruntella]

20. i did look it up on google

Why is it listed under this subcategory? (among others)
Society > Issues > Conspiracy

http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Conspiracy/

Why do the majority of sites I visited here look like clearinghouses for conspiracy theories?

Edit: I forgot my skull and bones logo! All your base are belong to us!

[Andy_Stephenson]

96. Pull you head out of the sand...

You might learn something. Open the mind to new knowledge.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Look up Clinton killed Vince Foster on google

[seventhson]

40. Nahh. I was with Clinton who was doing lines with Monica BUT

Hillary killed Vince in the Parlor with the Pizza cutter.

Be for real.

There is a solid article on Skull if you google Guerrilla News and Alexandra Robbins. A solid account.

Criminal Conspiracies happen every day. I know. I work in the criminal courts.

But the factsa are the facts.

This thread is NOT about Skull, though.

It is about the fact that Kerry's top foreign policy advisors are a PNAC signatory who is a top DLC participant AND an architect of the Iraq war strategy that is killing our children and theirs.

I KNOW that those who are working for Kerry to win will NOT be changed. But this is significant!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

45. I know you work in criminal courts, a secret cabal is out to silence

you, you were part of the aristocracy but managed to break free from a life of privilege to suffer the real world with the rest of us....and you were the walrus

[Maddy McCall]

56. LMGDFAOROTF....gasping for air....

the fucking walrus....another rimshot for NSMA...I am gasping for breath!

[disgruntella]

47. this is an "informal survey"

"An informal survey of the top five contenders' campaigns" - that is what it says in the article.

And nowhere in the article is it stated that these men are "Kerry's top foreign policy advisors."

You're making this really easy when you distort the facts.

[Maddy McCall]

61. Yeah, that's the problem

Kerry has a voting record. Kerry provided info to the pseudojournalist above when asked. Kerry has been a national figure for decades. Therefore, it isn't difficult for them to find SOMETHING to pin on him.

Dean on the other hand is secretive and has no congressional voting record.

So, it is easy to distort facts when there are facts to distort. Dean is either being conspicuously secretive or he has no outstanding advisors to set forth. Instead of questioning that, though, let's just rip Kerry to shreds. Damn.

[SweetZombieJesus]

72. Wait, what the hell does Dean have to do with this?

To the best of my knowledge, seventhpsycho is not a Dean supporter, so why bring him up?

Seventhson is not a Dean supporter, just an idiot with a Kerry axe to grind. I'm no Kerry supporter, but his constant crusade against Kerry is just as stupid and irrational as Nicholas_J's anti-Dean crusade.

[Maddy McCall]

78. I'm not referring to 7th only. This board is rife with targets for my

earlier post.

[indigo32]

26. I'm not the least bit concerned about S & B

but I don't like PNAC at all.

[blondeatlast]

63. Not a Kerry supporter, but no.

[hedda_foil]

16. Marshall is PNAC

He's a member of the AEI-PNAC derived Committee for the Liberation of Iraq along with Joe Lieberman and the usual PNAC and AEI suspects:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/credib/2002/1119bush.htm

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq:
PR Spinning the Bush Doctrine
By Kurt Nimmo
CounterPunch
November 19, 2002

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq bills itself as an NGO comprised of a "distinguished group of Americans" who want to bomb Saddam Hussein out of existence. Of course, NGO is a misnomer for this particular organization because its advisory board is stacked with former government types, including George Shultz. The president of the Committee is Randy Scheunemann, Trent Lott's former chief national-security adviser. Last year Scheunemann worked for Donald Rumsfeld as a consultant on Iraq policy. The Committee chairman is Bruce P. Jackson, the former vice president of the mega-defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Jackson chaired the Republican Party Platform's subcommittee for National Security and Foreign Policy when Bush ran for president in 2000. Jackson was also big on expanding the role of NATO -- think of all the new weapons that will be required -- and headed up a campaign to get Congress to ratify NATO's eastward expansion. Other NGO types include former Senator Bob Kerrey and former "Drug Czar" Barry McCaffrey. You may remember McCaffrey. As a two-star general and Gulf War "hero," McCaffrey ordered the massacre of hundreds of retreating soldiers and civilians on the Basra road from Kuwait to southern Iraq.

On November 15 US Newswire released a Committee press release. "The Committee was formed to promote regional peace, political freedom and international security through replacement of the Saddam Hussein regime with a democratic government that respects the rights of the Iraqi people and ceases to threaten the community of nations."

The Committee press release, however, mentions absolutely nothing about how these objectives will be achieved. But then, considering who is involved with the Committee, we don't need much of an explanation -- in essence, the Committee is a PR front for the Bush attack Iraq policy currently under way full steam ahead. The Committee is little more than an extension of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), an "educational" organization packed with neocons such as William Kristol and Robert Kagan. PNAC, according to its web page, is "dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle." In other words, Pax Americana installed unilaterally by way of bunker-buster and cluster bomb diplomacy. Lest you think PNAC and the Committee are not joined at the hip, consider who agreed to be an officer of this new (non) NGO -- Gary Schmitt, PNAC's executive director.

The devil is in the details. One such detail concerns retired four star General Wayne Downing, an erstwhile lobbyist for the Iraqi National Congress (INC), the CIA bankrolled "opposition" to Saddam Hussein. It is estimated the CIA forked out between $60 and $70 million to get the INC rolling back in the early 90s. Another detail is Ahmed Chalabi, head of the INC and a former businessman and son of a wealthy banking family who has not stepped foot inside Iraqi since 1956. In 1992, according to the BBC, Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison with hard labor for bank fraud after the 1990 collapse of Petra Bank, which he had founded in 1977. Regardless of Chalabi's questionable, Enronesque character -- as well, the State Department has accused the INC of profligate spending habits and accounting irregularities -- Scheunemann, while working for Lott in 1998, drafted the "Iraq Liberation Act" authorizing 98 million dollars for the INC. Clinton never got around to spending the money and the Pentagon has since taken control of it to train the INC. We can only imagine the sort of training the Pentagon is offering.

Neocons are fond of keeping business in the family. Many of the current members and associates of the Committee, PNAC, and The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) were involved with the Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf (CPSG), a hard right group created prior to the Gulf War. CPSG was co-chaired by Bush chicken hawk Richard Perle along with former New York Democratic Rep. Stephen Solarz. CPSG teamed up with the Bush Senior administration to mobilize support for Iraq Attack, version I. According to Jim Lobe of the Project Against the Present Danger, CPSG received a sizable grant from the Wisconsin-based Lynde & Harry Bradley Foundation, a major funder of both PNAC and AEI. Obviously, these folks like the share the same bed.

<snip>
---------------

hedda's note: Interestingly, in the DLC research that many of usconducted at the old DU we found that the PPI's ONLY funder of record is the same ultra right wing Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation. They contributed $300,000 to PPI in the runup to the 2000 election. Remember, please that Marshall is both founder, President and chief strategist of the PPI, which provides the DLC with its positions.

Here's the list of members of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq from their website.

http://www.liberationiraq.org/climembers.shtml

Advisory Board*



Honorable George Shultz, Chairman


Honorary Co-Chairmen

Senator John McCain Senator Joseph Lieberman


Mahdi Al-Bassam, M.D.

Chairman

Iraq Liberation Action Committee
Honorable Newt Gingrich

CEO

The Gingrich Group


Dr. Barry Blechman

President

DFI International
Lt. General Buster Glosson

U.S. Air Force (retired)

Chairman and CEO

Eagle, Ltd.


Dr. Eliot Cohen

Professor and Director of Strategic Studies Program

The Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies
James P. Hoffa

President

International Brotherhood of Teamsters



Dr. Jacquelyn K. Davis

Executive Vice President

Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis
Howell Jackson

Professor of Law

Harvard Law School


Thomas A. Dine

President

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Honorable Robert Kerrey

President

New School University


General Wayne Downing

U.S. Army (retired)
Robert Kagan

Senior Associate

Carnegie Endowment for International Peace


Rend Rahim Francke

Executive Director

Iraq Foundation
Amb. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick

Senior Fellow

American Enterprise Institute


Honorable Peter W. Galbraith

Professor of National Security Studies

National War College
William Kristol

Editor

Weekly Standard


Maurice Sonnenberg

Former Vice Chairman

The National Commission on Terrorism
Dr. Bernard Lewis

Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern Studies, Emeritus

Princeton University


Honorable Steve Solarz

President

Solarz Associates
General Barry McCaffrey

U.S. Army (retired)

President

BR McCaffrey Associates LLC




Ruth Wedgwood

Edward B. Burling Professor of International Law and Diplomacy

Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
Will Marshall

President

Progressive Policy Institute


Leon Wieseltier

Literary Editor

The New Republic
Josh Muravchik

Resident Scholar

American Enterprise Institute


Chris Williams

Partner

Johnston and Associates


Honorable Richard Perle

Former Assistant Secretary of Defense


Honorable R. James Woolsey

Vice President

Booz Allen Hamilton
Danielle Pletka

Vice President

Foreign and Defense Policy

American Enterprise Institute


Honorable R. James Woolsey

Vice President

Booz Allen Hamilton
Richard Shultz

Professor of International Politics

The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy

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Marshall also signed the two most recent PNAC letters (on postwar Iraq, written shortly after the beginning of the war and long before "Mission Accomplished"). The letters are on the PNAC website, here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/lettersstatements.htm


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Marshall was a longtime advisor to Lieberman. I'm very sorry to see that he is now on Kerry's payroll. Given Kerry's foreign policy expertise, making Marshall his foreign policy advisor seems strange indeed.

[Eloriel]

17. Amazing, but not surprising

I kept getting these DLC "vibes" off him -- I don't remember if I actually knew he had some of these jokes as advisors, or if I just intuited it.

Very bad news for Kerry. Oh, a lot of voters won't care -- won't even find out. It's just that the DLC is out of touch, and so their policies, to the extent Kerry adopts them, are losing policies.

Edited to add: They're also the WRONG policies.

Eloriel

[frank frankly]

19. kick

[seventhson]

21. The DLC is BAD enough. But PNAC AND a Shock and Awe Theorist?

WTF, People. Really.

Is this the Democratic Underground or is this the democratic underground right wing shadow board?

I hope and Pray we are the former.

Thus we can influcne this primary and keep Kerry the hell outta the white house.

Shock and awe is fascist military corporate speak. So is the PNAC.

Kerry is pitious history

[disgruntella]

25. wait a minute - are you saying you're NOT voting for kerry?

LOL - we know your position on Kerry; the question is, why are you working over time to ram it down our throats?

[seventhson]

50. A little Fairy happened to whisper this fun info in my ear

I just found out.

Isn't it exciting.

I really don' NEED Skull and Bones anymore.

I have the Iraq vote, the Homeland Security Vote, The Patriot Act Vote and NOW the fact that his foreign policy advisors are PNAC, DLC AND an architect of the Iraq war.

I'm reaching Nirvana!!!

Kerry is TOAST

and SO is the S&B

The BFEE is becoming old burnt toast now and I am f--king ecstatic!!!

[disgruntella]

55. your comment is an insult to real fairies

That's it. I'm walking away. Enjoy your anti-Kerry-gasm. I'll stick to LBN from now on.

[Forkboy]

58. I'd believe that a fairy did whisper in your ear

before the other stuff you peddle.

[KoKo]

100. ROFL!...................Dark Humor....Getting attacked on DU for providing

information with links.......how we've changed.........

[blm]

27. There is evidence that Kerry doesn't believe in Shock and Awe

Because he has criticized air campaigns as a military strategy quite often. He doesn't believe in carpet bombing let alone Shock and Awe.

Read Joe Klein's New Yorker piece.

[seventhson]

59. Joe Klein Shmoe Shlein

Who trusts HIM? He's a sellout.

[WilliamPitt]

65. Facts shmacts.

Every time I try to give you credit, you do something to make me understand why I never, ever should.

[Eloriel]

83. Because he consideres Klein a sellout?

Are you saying you DON'T???

Eloriel

[blm]

87. Because Kerry is well known for spurning air attacks.

He doesn't believe in heavy air bombing. You claim you know him so well, but, if you did you would know he thinks it's bad military strategy, kills too many innocent people, and sets your mission up for ultimate failure in terms of the heavy human costs and in blowback.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

24. Kerry: BFEE, PNAC, Skull & Bones

same old same old.

Like Dean, Kerry's just another rich aristocrat.

[AntiCoup2K4]

30. Stick a fork in Kerry, he's done......

PNAC advising him???

FUCK HIM for even thinking he can get away with that bullshit.

Picture this....

A Kerry/Lieberman ticket gets the nomination, and wins the election. Within 6 months, Syria/Iran/Jordan/ whatever is invaded.

Don't think it would happen?? I'm not willing to try it.

PNAC "advisers" belong in prison serving life sentences for treason. NOT on Democratic Presidential campaigns! :grr:

[Maddy McCall]

62. ...a hell of a lot more for this nation than Dean has.

If you are counting him out, you are seriously underestimating his abilities and his appeal.

[blm]

31. So GORE had PNAC advisors...OMG

Martin Indyk.

Leon Fuerth.

Stop the presses. You LOVE Al Gore. What are you going to do?

[dsc]

37. would that be before

or after PNAC advocated invading Iraq? I think there is some difference or at least may be some difference there.

[JI7]

46. they have been advocating it for years

.

[WilliamPitt]

60. Pre-1997

[hedda_foil]

134. Truthfully, blm if I'd known about PNAC in 199-2000 and ....

If I'd known that he had PNAC advisors at the time (Clinton as well), I would have worked very hard against him. This is a battle over whether or not America should be a military Empire. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who takes these madmen into their campaigns or into their government is not someone I'd want to vote for.

Unfortunately, given the choice between any of the Democrats who have done so (basically the whole DLC Senatorial brigade) and *Caligula's *Cabal, I wouldn't think twice about voting for the Dem because they'd be less likely to start WW3 in the process.

The issue for me is no longer liberal or conservative. It's democracy or fascist empire. That's where the debate is. That's the ONLY real issue right now. Everything else is arguing at the margins while the spirit of this nation is being eaten away by rats.

[KittyWampus]

32. You Are One Of The Reasons I Left SmirkingChimp

Thanks in advance to all those who do NOT put you on ignore so that they can rebut your crap.


GoodBye.

[Name removed]

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[sandnsea]

34. Will Marshall drafted the Jan speech

So he obviously isn't quite the PNACer as some of the others.

Harlan Ullman is a scary nutball. He thought we didn't 'shock and awe' Iraq enough.

Michael O'Hanlon is with the Brookings Institute and spoke out early about the faulty al qaeda connection.

So it sounds like Kerry actually has a balance of people advising him, which is a good thing.

But definitely something to keep an eye on.

[Egnever]

123. Nice post!

thanks for the info :bounce:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. Given that you have cited two remote sources, I will look this

up independently of your bias and form a conclusion. If Kerry has these individuals advising him, that does not place me in his camp.

The rest of your wild eyed conspiracy theories still make me puke.

[never cry wolf]

36. Can't you give it a rest??

I generally avoid candidate threads, especially candidate bashing threads because if I read enough of them I would not want to vote for any dem (maybe SOP here???)

What is your goal here, seventhson?? I honestly think that you are probably getting more votes for Kerry out of sympathy from you constant (repetition, another SOP??) bashing than you are convincing that he is shrub's soul mate. If the aim is to distract and take up a lot of good DUers time defending someone they believe in you are successful.

Why not just finish the damn book before the primaries start and then let the chips fall where they may? I seriously think that you are doing no one here any good, including yourself. Unless, of course, there are ulterior motives.

[Name removed]

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[never cry wolf]

57. hahahaha

it would appear so!!

[seventhson]

108. shrewd. insightful.

but full of sh*t.

MY illness is that I am afraid and resistant to fascism.

I will fight it to the bitter end.

You?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

113. And you will rely on anything even the unsubstantiated out of that fear

That is a sickness...not a principle.

[Old and In the Way]

39. Guility as charged!

Kerry gets advice from (gulp) different points of view. Could this make him more informed on the issues? Really, what we need are rigid ideologues who aren't open to all points of view.

Now can we evaluate Kerry on his record?

[AntiCoup2K4]

48. PNAC is not a "different point of view", they are the fascist dictatorship

...which is destroying this country and turning 90% of the world against us.

Not a good thing to have on your team. Not by a long shot.

[seventhson]

112. Hear Hear!!!

That is my point exactly!!!

[OrdinaryTa]

70. Kerry's Record

Now can we evaluate Kerry on his record?

I like that idea. Kerry voted for the war. For him it wasn't a strategic vote, it was a conscience vote. Some conscience!

He got it wrong, and that took some doing. Quite a number of senators got it right, including Senator Chaffee, who is even a Republican.

John, you missed your opportunity. Tell your story walking.

[Octafish]

85. There's more to Kerry than the one vote.

He did vote to give the Little Turd from Crawfurd authority. He had reasons. The main one was to protect America. It took courage to make it. Just like the Liberal Democratic perspective he took in foreign and domestic affairs in 19 years in the US Senate tood courage.

Then, again, Kerry is no draft dodger. His leadership is tested in combat and in peace. At home and abroad.



John Kerry, a director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War,
testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations committee April 22, 1971.

[blondeatlast]

99. Damn--that picture takes me back.

I remember that.

[Andy_Stephenson]

120. Yes...more than one vote

Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority.
Vote to proceed to the bill which establishes negotiating objectives for trade agreements, and renews 'fast track' trade authority for the President, which allows Congress to adopt or to reject a proposed trade agreement, but not to amend it.

Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment.
Approval of the balanced-budget constitutional amendment.

Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. Vote to table an amendment that would require sanctions against China or other countries if they were found to be selling illicit weapons of mass destruction.

Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.
Motion to table (kill) the amendment that would provide that in order to conduct roving surveillance, the person implementing the order must ascertain that the target of the surveillance is present in the house or is using the phone that has been tapped.

Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits.
Restriction of class-action security lawsuits.

Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms.
Vote on the motion to instruct conferees on the bill to insist that the conference report include Mandatory prison terms for the use, possession, or carrying of a firearm or destructive device during a state crime of violence or drug trafficking

Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels.
would strike bill language requiring that U.S. strategic nuclear forces remain at START I levels through the end of fiscal 2000 unless Russia ratified START II.

Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP.
Vote that the policy of the US is to deploy a National Missile Defense system capable of defending against limited ballistic missile attack as soon as it is technologically possible, and to seek continued negotiated reductions in Russian nuclear forces.

Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline.
Permitting new regulations which would require the use of ethanol in gasoline.

Quite telling I would say since Mrs Kerry has much money invested into oil and gas interests

Voted YES on limiting funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. This table motion would end debate on an amendment aimed at funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. Support for the motion to table is a vote against NEA funding. .

Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts.
To exclude certain items from the Congressional Gift Ban.

Voted YES on Medicare means-testing.
Approval of means-based testing for Medicare insurance premiums.

Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time.
This bill would have allowed workers to choose between overtime and compensatory time.

Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts.
Vote to pass a bill that would permit tax-free savings accounts of up to $2000 per child annually to be used for public or private school tuition or other education expenses.

Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt.
This vote limited debate on the amendment offered by Sen. Abraham (R-MI) that would have created a Social Security "lockbox" and establish limits on the public debt. .

Voted YES on telecomm deregulation.
Deregulation of the telecommunications industry.

Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.
H.J.Res. 114; Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The administration would be required to report to Congress that diplomatic options have been exhausted before, or within 48 hours after military action has started. Every 60 days the president would also be required to submit a progress report to Congress.

Voted YES on welfare overhaul.
Approval of an overhaul on the federal welfare system.

[Eloriel]

86. Yeah, Old and in the Way, Fascism is highly underrated

these days. We should give it, as a different point of view, much more latitude.

PNACers are FASCISTS. And anyone who picks up with them belongs on NO ONE'S campaign. So much for Kerry's vast foreign policy experience, not to mention his judgment.

Eloriel

[Andy_Stephenson]

119. Yes lets look at his record

Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority.
Vote to proceed to the bill which establishes negotiating objectives for trade agreements, and renews 'fast track' trade authority for the President, which allows Congress to adopt or to reject a proposed trade agreement, but not to amend it.

Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment.
Approval of the balanced-budget constitutional amendment.

Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. Vote to table an amendment that would require sanctions against China or other countries if they were found to be selling illicit weapons of mass destruction.

Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.
Motion to table (kill) the amendment that would provide that in order to conduct roving surveillance, the person implementing the order must ascertain that the target of the surveillance is present in the house or is using the phone that has been tapped.

Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits.
Restriction of class-action security lawsuits.

Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms.
Vote on the motion to instruct conferees on the bill to insist that the conference report include Mandatory prison terms for the use, possession, or carrying of a firearm or destructive device during a state crime of violence or drug trafficking

Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels.
would strike bill language requiring that U.S. strategic nuclear forces remain at START I levels through the end of fiscal 2000 unless Russia ratified START II.

Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP.
Vote that the policy of the US is to deploy a National Missile Defense system capable of defending against limited ballistic missile attack as soon as it is technologically possible, and to seek continued negotiated reductions in Russian nuclear forces.

Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline.
Permitting new regulations which would require the use of ethanol in gasoline.

Quite telling I would say since Mrs Kerry has much money invested into oil and gas interests

Voted YES on limiting funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. This table motion would end debate on an amendment aimed at funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. Support for the motion to table is a vote against NEA funding. .

Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts.
To exclude certain items from the Congressional Gift Ban.

Voted YES on Medicare means-testing.
Approval of means-based testing for Medicare insurance premiums.

Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time.
This bill would have allowed workers to choose between overtime and compensatory time.

Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts.
Vote to pass a bill that would permit tax-free savings accounts of up to $2000 per child annually to be used for public or private school tuition or other education expenses.

Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt.
This vote limited debate on the amendment offered by Sen. Abraham (R-MI) that would have created a Social Security "lockbox" and establish limits on the public debt. .

Voted YES on telecomm deregulation.
Deregulation of the telecommunications industry.

Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.
H.J.Res. 114; Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The administration would be required to report to Congress that diplomatic options have been exhausted before, or within 48 hours after military action has started. Every 60 days the president would also be required to submit a progress report to Congress.

Voted YES on welfare overhaul.
Approval of an overhaul on the federal welfare system.

Let's cross reference his vote with his and Teresa's investments...Nice and tidy sums he is voting for himself.


Edit: http://www.bop2004.org/dtaweb/bop2004/default.aspx?SECTION=CANDDET&CID=4#asset

[ShaneGR]

42. hamjournal??????

I was so looking forward to reading the sausage journal about how terrible and evil John Kerry is.

Go back to your business of being a disruptor now.

NOTE: I am not a Kerry supporter.

[PurityOfEssence]

51. How about RAND BEERS? How do you explain him? Please explain!

Rand Beers was the senior NSC guy who resigned from the White House in disgust at the cherry picking of intelligence. He is one of the senior intelligence operatives to come out in disgust at this administration and actually put his career on the line. He now works for Kerry as a principal advisor. Google him.

This man, a truly ethical careerist, chose Kerry's camp. Does that not say something? Kerry is not a stealth republican or monarchist. He's rich, but if anything, he's a class traitor of the FDR stripe.

Please explain!!!

[seventhson]

79. Rand Beers. I just LOVE Google

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=121&contentid=575


Okay okay. I know.Conspiracy Planet.


BUT...


But check the facts - don't automatically dismiss them

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

103. CHECK THE FACTS ON CONSPIRACY PLANET???? That's your proof?

FUCKING FUCK BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!

[seventhson]

106. Oh Jesus Please nothing...

READ the link there.

Beers lied through his teeth.

He had to basically admit he had misrepresented that Al Qaeda was training FARC guys in Columbia.

And a ton of other mis-statements he swore were true and then admits he was not elling the truth about.

Disgusting

He's a liar.

Liars for Kerry.

Why am I NOT surprised?

READ the court file linked there.

His prevarications are ALL there linked right to the court record.

Puhleeze!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

114. LOL you are a lawyer and are not aware that everyone has the opportunity

to correct sworn statements? BTW, I was already aware of Beers altered testimony in this matter. It wasn't news to me.

Especially if you are in the criminal courts all day long slaving away, one would expect that a couple minor corrections in a depo are par for the course (not that I believe the ONE change was a minor correction but certainly the others were)

You are doing what we call in my neck of the woods around courthouses GRABBING!!!! :D

[hedda_foil]

53. Given the fact that Kerry is a foreign policy expert himself ...

I can find no legitimate reason for his having a PNAC-affiliated advisor on his foreign policy team. Listening to both points of view doesn't do it for me when one point of view is the policy of military Empire advocated by PNAC. Certainly, Kerry would not implement such a policy in the ham-handed of the Bush team. No doubt he would do it far more smoothly. BUT IT"S THE SAME POLICY OF EMPIRE IN THE END

[KoKo]

81. I think that's why Kerry has an "aloofness" he Does know better than we do

which is what I have felt watching him during the Debates. That he seems to be "out of place" and a little world weary about being their answering questions and having to compete with "lesser intellects."

He has been at the center of a powerful group for so long.....that these debates are "Mickey Mouse" to him.

And, I suppose if I were in his position with his "special background" I would feel the same way.

This isn't necessarily a criticism of him......but this thread has given me an understanding of what I was feeling about him as I watched his body language. I don't connect with him as a Democrat.....

I think he isn't "my kind" of Democrat.......but he may be most peoples kind of Democrat in the long run as the campaign finalizes..... he's just not mine... He is ready to assume the thrown......and he knows all the powers behind it.

[WilliamPitt]

54. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

1. This is, actually, a nice pull here, seventhson. I did a search for Will Marhsall on the PNAC site, and came up with this:

Statement on Post-War Iraq

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqstatement-031903.htm

Although some of us have disagreed with the administration's handling of Iraq policy and others of us have agreed with it, we all join in supporting the military intervention in Iraq. The aim of UNSC Resolution 1441 was to give the Iraqi government a "final opportunity" to comply with all UN resolutions going back 12 years. The Iraqi government has demonstrably not complied. It is now time to act to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime from power.

The removal of the present Iraqi regime from power will lay the foundation for achieving three vital goals: disarming Iraq of all its weapons of mass destruction stocks and production capabilities; establishing a peaceful, stable, democratic government in Iraq; and contributing to the democratic development of the wider Middle East.

...more...

Marshall is a signatory on this document along with Frank Carlucci (Carlyle Group Director), Bruce P. Jackson (head of PNAC), William Kristol (works for Satan), James Woolsey (duh), and Randy Scheunemann (head of PNAC spinoff 'Committee for the Liberation of Iraq').

I would, however, suggest that one advisor on a campaign so big does not mean that this Marshall guy is the head brain.

2. "Harlan Ullman, a longtime naval officer and one of the developers of the doctrine of "shock and awe" being used in Iraq." I've never heard of this guy. Whatm besides forward.com, do you have to back this up?

[seventhson]

68. Boston Phoenix documents it

"...Kerry is widening the circle of people he consults on foreign policy.

"First, there’s Harlan Ullman, author of the "Shock and Awe" concept employed by the Pentagon at the start of the war against Iraq, who shares Kerry’s background as Naval veteran of the Vietnam War. And there’s Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute (the think tank linked to the centrist-leaning Democratic Leadership Council), whom Kerry tapped to draft his January 21 Georgetown speech. He’s also been in touch with Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign-policy studies at the Brookings Institution. O’Hanlon spoke out in favor of continued "containment" of Saddam Hussein in February 2001, but came out in support of Bush’s Iraq policy after the president addressed the United Nations on September 12, 2002. Testifying before the House Armed Services Committee on October 2, 2002, O’Hanlon predicted between 1000 and 5000 American casualties in a war with Iraq."

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/talking_politics/documents/02831950.htm

Talking Politics | Waiting in the wings

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. SO he sought their services, the article does not have them on his staff

YOu forgot to read the rest of it, Counsel:

Finally, Kerry has his own highly professional group of foreign-policy aides: Nancy Stetson, his chief foreign-policy aide; David McKean, his Senate chief of staff; and Jonathan Winer, his former staff counsel. Stetson is best known as an Asia expert and helped Kerry develop his policy on Vietnam. (Kerry and Arizona senator John McCain were part of the team that ushered in normalized relations with Vietnam.) Winer and McKean worked on Kerry’s investigation into the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, an international bank implicated in money laundering and support for terrorism. That team helped contribute to Kerry’s 1997 The New War: The Web of Crime That Threatens America’s Security (Simon & Schuster).

[hedda_foil]

69. How about the Boston Phoenix, Will

BTW, The Forward is pretty well respected.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/talking_politics/documents/02831950.htm
<snip>

BEFORE GETTING into who’s talking to whom, a caveat: long-time Washington presences like Kerry, Lieberman, and Gephardt (who is generally better known for his domestic-policy stances) are considered experts on the issues themselves. Take Kerry. He’s been in the Senate since 1984, served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and chaired the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations (of which he is currently the ranking Democrat). He was considered, along with Holbrooke, a leading candidate for secretary of state had former vice-president Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. So the names of his policy advisers don’t tell us too much. That said, even Kerry is widening the circle of people he consults on foreign policy.

First, there’s Harlan Ullman, author of the "Shock and Awe" concept employed by the Pentagon at the start of the war against Iraq, who shares Kerry’s background as Naval veteran of the Vietnam War. And there’s Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute (the think tank linked to the centrist-leaning Democratic Leadership Council), whom Kerry tapped to draft his January 21 Georgetown speech. He’s also been in touch with Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign-policy studies at the Brookings Institution. O’Hanlon spoke out in favor of continued "containment" of Saddam Hussein in February 2001, but came out in support of Bush’s Iraq policy after the president addressed the United Nations on September 12, 2002. Testifying before the House Armed Services Committee on October 2, 2002, O’Hanlon predicted between 1000 and 5000 American casualties in a war with Iraq.

[blm]

71. He also has Gary Hart advising.

Kerry isn't a blank page who just any Machiavelli can bend and manipulate.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

73. This is the only team of advisors I could find (from 02)

John Kerry-Campaign Organization
John Kerry for President Inc.
On December 4, 2002, Sen. Kerry filed papers with the FEC establishing John Kerry for President Inc., an exploratory committee. James M. Jordan, who served as executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee during the 2002 cycle, is the campaign manager.
Campaign Manager Jim Jordan
Executive Director of the DSCC for the duration of the 2002 cycle . Political Director at the DSCC, May 1999-Dec. 2000 . Communications Director for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), Jan.-May 1999. Spokesman for Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee during the 1998 impeachment hearings of President Clinton and for Democrats on the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee during the 1997 campaign finance investigation. Communications Director for Sen. Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) in 1997. Press Secretary for Tim Johnson's (D-SD) successful campaign for U.S. Senate in 1996. Did non-profit fundraising. Press Secretary to Rep. David Price (D-NC,4), Jan. 1987-1988. Originally from North Carolina, Jordan earned his B.A. from Hampden-Sydney College and his J.D. from University of North Carolina law school (1986).

Deputy Campaign Manager Marcus Jadotte
(announced May 28, 2003) Recently served as chief of staff in the office of Rep. Peter Deutsch (D-FL). In 2000 Jadotte was the Gore-Lieberman campaign's Florida state director. During the Clinton administration he worked in the Department of Labor in the Office of the Deputy Secretary and in Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs. In 1998 he served as political director on the MacKay-Dantzler campaign for governor of Florida. In 1996 he was a regional director on the Clinton-Gore re-election campaign in Florida. Jadotte was special assistant to the late Gov. Lawton Chiles, and communications director for the Florida AFL-CIO. He has worked in the Florida House of Representatives and in the Agency for Health Care Administration.



P O L I T I C A L
Political Director Luis Navarro
(started late Jan. 2003) Served as National Political Director of the SEIU through January 2003. Previously at the DNC, where he directed regional desks. Southeast Coordinator at the DCCC; Voter File Director for the North Carolina Democratic Party. Worked as Admin. Assistant to Rep. Vic Fazio (D-CA) and to Rep. Al Wynn (D-MD). Navarro earned a B.A. in Government and Politics from the University of Maryland. Leonard Joseph Amy Dacey Crystal King Jonathan Epstein


Campbell Spencer


C O M M U N I C A T I O N S
Senior Advisor for Communications Chris Lehane
Press Secretary for Al Gore's 2000 campaign (announced Oct. 27, 1999). Moved over to the campaign from his position as press secretary for the Office of the Vice President, and previously served as the Vice President's deputy communications director. Worked as a special counsel for HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo in 1997 and as special assistant counsel for the President in 1995-96. Lehane is a native of Lawrence, Mass. and is a graduate of Amherst College ('90).
Deputy Communications Director David Wade
Communications Director in Kerry's Senate office. Served as national president of College Democrats of America (and addressed the 1996 Democratic National Convention in Chicago). Graduate of Brown University ('97).
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs
Press Secretary for the DSCC, 2001-02; Communications Director for Debbie Stabenow's U.S. Senate campaign, 1999-2000; Press Secretary to Sen. Max Cleland, 1999; Communications Director for Fritz Hollings 1998 re-election campaign.
Deputy Press Secretary Kelley Benander
Press Secretary in Kerry's Senate office.





P O L I C Y
Policy Director Sarah Bianchi
Deputy issues director on Vice President Gore's 2000 campaign. Worked at OMB and at the President's Domestic Policy Council, then, in 1998, started working for Gore.





R E S E A R C H
Research Director Mike Gehrke
Worked at the DSCC, 2001-2003. Research Director in the Clinton White House, 1999 to Jan. 2001. Worked with AFL-CIO Political Department/Labor '98 program, 1997-99. Research Director for Citizen Action, 1995-97.
Deputy Research Director Anne Davis




F I N A N C E
Finance Director Peter Maroney
Finance Director for Sen. John Kerry's (D-MA) 2002 re-election campaign.
Also in Finance: Carl Chidlow
Treasurer Robert Farmer
Farmer gained fame as finance director for Michael Dukakis' 1988 presidential campaign. Earlier he raised money for John Anderson's independent campaign in 1980 and John Glenn's 1984 campaign. In 1992 raised money for Bill Clinton's campaign and he then gained the position of U.S. consul general to Bermuda.

Finance Chair: Louis B. Susman
...(announced March 5, 2003) Chicago-based vice chairman of Salomon Smith Barney Investment Banking; he joined the firm in June 1989. Previously Susman was a senior partner at the St. Louis-based law firm of Thompson & Mitchell. Susman served as finance chairman for Bill Bradley's 2000 presidential campaign and served in a senior capacity on Gephardt's 1988 campaign. He has been a member of the DNC from Missouri for 12 years.
NY fundraising:
CA fundraising:
Silicon Valley fundraising:
NJ finance chair: Jamie Whitehead
Dan Burrell
Mark Gorenberg >
Clay Constantinou




M O R E
Scheduling Director Karen Hinck

Advance Director Tom Keady
Has supported Kerry since his first campaign in 1972. Associate vice president of government relations at Boston College from May 1, 2002. Coordinated the Oct. 3, 2000 presidential debate at University of Massachusetts at Boston. Prior to joining Boston College, Keady worked for many years at Northeastern University, starting as director of city relations, and then as director of governmental relations and community affairs, and finally as vice president of government relations. Served as staff director to Boston City Councilor Michael McCormack; and legislative aide to City Councilor James M. Connolly. Graduate of University of Massachusetts at Boston with a degree in political science.

Traveling Assistant Marvin Nicholson
Formerly worked in Kerry's Senate office.

Intern and Volunteer Coordinator Stephone Mickler
Regional director for the 2002 South Carolina Coordinated Campaign (Low Country). Previously worked for Verizon Wireless. Graduate of the College of Charleston, 1998.





M E D I A
Jim Margolis (GMMB)
Margolis is a senior partner at GMMB. The firm began in 1983; it now has a staff of over 100 and is a Fleishman-Hillard Company.

Bob Shrum will collaborate with Margolis (confirmed in late Feb. 2003)
Shrum advised Sen. John Edwards' New American Optimists in 2002. His experience includes: principal speechwriter to Sen. George McGovern in the 1972 Democratic campaign for President; Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's principal speechwriter during and after the 1980 presidential campaign and press secretary to Sen. Kennedy, 1980-84; and senior advisor to Vice President Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign. He has produced political advertising since 1985 and is chairman of Shrum, Devine & Donilon.





S T R A T E G I S T S / A D V I S O R S
Jill Alper
Alper joined the Dewey Square Group as a principal in January 2001, establishing the firm's campaign division. Worked on media planning and coordinated campaign strategies at Squier/Knapp/Dunn during the 2000 cycle. Political Director at the DNC for the 1998 cycle. Coordinated Campaign Director at the DNC, 1994-96. Other campaign experience includes: Michigan State Director for Clinton/Gore in 1992; Deputy Political Director at the DSCC; Deputy Manager to Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) in 1990; Coordinated Campaign Manager to Wilder/Beyer/Terry in Virginia in 1989; Field Director in special congressional elections for John Vinich and Jill Long in 1989; and several positions for Dukakis for President in 1987-1988. Alper earned a B.A. in Political Science/Philosophy from Boston College.
Minyon Moore
Moore joined the Dewey Square Group heading up its state and local affairs shop. She served as chief operating officer at the DNC, responsible for the day-to-day running of the party, after directing DNC chair Terry McAuliffe's transition in the first part of 2001. Appointed as White House deputy director of political affairs in Feb. 1997 she became director of public liaison in May 1998 and finished as director of political affairs. In the 1996 cycle she served as national political director at the DNC. In 1988 she was national deputy field director for Rev. Jesse Jackson's campaign, Jackson's convention coordinator, and in the fall national deputy field director for the Dukakis campaign. She also worked on Jackson's 1984 campaign. Moore is a native of Chicago.


Key States

I O W A
State Director John Norris
(started Jan. 1, 2003) In 2002 Norris ran for Congress in the 4th District against Rep. Tom Latham (R). Prior to his campaign, starting in 1999, Norris served as chief of staff to Gov. Tom Vilsack. In 1998 he served as chairman and executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party. Previously he served as chief of staff to Rep. Leonard Boswell and as district representative for then-Rep. Tom Harkin. He owned and managed the Old Hotel Restaurant in Greenfield from 1989 to 1992 and served as vice president of the Greenfield Chamber of Commerce. During the mid-1980's Norris served as state director for the Iowa Farm Unity Coalition. A native of Red Oak, Norris graduated from Simpson College in Indianola with a B.A. in political science in 1981 and received his J.D. from the University of Iowa College of Law in 1995.




N E W H A M P S H I R E
State Director Ken Robinson
(started end of January 2003) Robinson served as executive director of the New Hampshire Democratic Party from January 1999 through January 2003. In 2000 and 2002, he also served as the Coordinated Campaign director for the New Hampshire Democratic Party. He has worked on numerous campaigns including Gov. Jeanne Shaheen's 1998 reelection campaign. In 1996 he served as field director of Joe Keefe's campaign for Congress (1st CD). Robinson is a 1991 graduate of Brown University.

also Deputy National Director for Northern New England Judy Reardon
(announced Feb. 4, 2003; start March 1) Of Manchester, NH. Served as legal counsel to Gov. Jeanne Shaheen during the six years of her administration. Took a leave to work as communications director on Shaheen's 2000 re-election campaign and served as communications director on Shaheen's 1996 campaign. Reardon served as a state representative from 1985 through 1988 and was Democratic whip in 1987-1988.




S O U T H C A R O L I N A (February 3 primary)
State Director James Dukes
(started June 15, 2003) Worked as field representative for Sen. Fritz Hollings and a regional field director for the South Carolina Democratic Party Coordinated Campaigns in 2002 and 2000.





A R I Z O N A (February 3 primary)


N E W M E X I C O (February 3 caucuses)
On September 5, 2003 Lt. Gov Diane D. Denish endorsed Kerry.


M I C H I G A N (February 7 caucuses)
Field Director Michael Simon
(started with the campaign full time in mid June 2003) An aide to Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm on her successful 2002 campaign and on the transition team. In 2000 worked as an Oakland County Field Organizer for the Michigan Democratic Party Coordinated Campaign. Graduate of the University of Michigan with a B.A. in political science.




V I R G I N I A (February 10 primary)


N E W Y O R K (March 2 primary)
Director Paul Rivera
In 2002 worked on the Carl McCall's unsuccessful gubernatorial campaign.


The campaign's website as it looked on May 29, 2003--little changed from the re-election site. At the end of August 2003 a redesign finally appeared.



Notes.
See also Campaign Organization-1st Quarter 2003 FEC report.

Campaign Offices: Washington, DC (National Association for Home Care) - Boston, MA (CCBN) - Des Moines, IA (Dave Ostrem) - Manchester, NH (Nyane & Associates) - Chicago, IL (101 West Grand LLC) - Los Angeles, CA (Fox Studio Operations) - New York, NY - Miami, FL.
.
Key people in Kerry's Senate office are chief of staff David McKean and legislative director George Abar.


And here are the salaries paid by Kerry so far in o3

John Kerry-Campaign Organization John Kerry for President Inc. 1st Quarter 2003 FEC Report
Total Disbursements for Quarter: $1,998,520.54 Debts and Obligations: $146,221.41

Staff
The campaign reported paying salaries to 67 people during the quarter.
Jonathan Adashek - David A. Barnhart - Kelley Benander - Daniel C. Burrell - James Brough - Matthew Butler - Linda Chappetto - Carl Chidlow - Nick M. Clemons - Amy K. Dacey - Anne M. Davis - Jamie L. Denenberg - Jodi M. Denton - Luis J. Elizondo-Thompson - Jonathan Epstein - Heather L. Falen - Frank Ferreira - Michael Gehrke - Robert L. Gibbs - Michael J. Graham - Jessie R. Grant - Allison M. Harvey - Jeremy Hastings - Christopher Hayler - Kaaren Hinck - Marissa Hopkins - Carrie J. James - Joseph C. Jackson - Deborah Jansen - James M. Jordan - Leonard P. Joseph - Crystal A. King - Beth A. Leonard - Tracey Lewis - Madhumita Mallick - Helen I. Marieskind - Alyssa M. Mastromonaco - Peter B. Maroney - Meghan McGowan - Stephone D. Mickler - Kory Mitchell - Kate A. Murphy - Luis A. Navarro - Brendan Neal - John R. Norris - Elizabeth Ann Oxhorn - Jon C. Patsavos - David C. Patten - Jamiyl R. Peters - Angelique Pirozzi - Teresa Polhemus - Brandon G. Pollak - Ayanna S. Pressley - Judy E. Reardon - Leticia E. Reyes - Paul T. Rivera - Kenneth W. Robinson - Aaron Rosenthal - David A. Schnitzer - Eric W. Senn - Jane C. Spencer - Ruth M. Steinmetz - Shane E. Tessimond - Josh Warren - Shannon R. White - James R. Whitehead - Mary C. Wong.

*Top salary went to finance director Peter B. Maroney: $8,209.96 per month.


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/kerry/kerrfind1q03.html

[KoKo]

88. NSMA, Thanks for this list...Was glad to see NC Jim Jordan's name on it as

having served as David Price's Press Secretary. It was awhile back (Price is my NC Representative and a great guy.....voted NO on the War Resolution.....answers constituents letters personally as opposed to Edwards form "kiss offs" and is just an all round great guy.

Only thing is that I just attended a Town Meeting with David Price and he said the primaries were going to be "interesting." He said we all thought we had a front runner Candidate in Kerry but now Dean has come along...

I got the impression of the two.....he found Dean the better of the two. It was a fleeting momemnt and the way he said it.......and I could be very mistaken.....but I even posted it somewhere on a thread here on DU after I got back from the meeting.

I imagine if we Googled that list, though, some skeletons would start falling out of closets. I still think Seventh Son's links were important to post. Maybe there is some leeway on Marshall........but Ullman's Shock and Awe.....that's really hard to swallow.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

89. It might be unless you consider that perhaps there is a reason he

sought his advice that does not have to do with creating war but with addressing and rebutting how Ullman's program was used or misused by the Bush admin.

[KoKo]

97. It would be good to get info on Ullman's connection to the campaign....

maybe some of our Kerry supporters have a way to do it.......

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

115. As would I but if it is posted from some nut headed conspiracy site

with no ther verfiable means to assert itself..I will give it as much credibility as I offer the starter of this thread....slim to none.

[janekat]

77. So - I guess we should all go out and vote for Bush....

We might as well - because it looks as if he's going to be re-elected. We're all squabbling and pointing out all of the different negatives and problems that each of our candidates have. People are going out and digging up dirt. Maybe we should send this info to the Bush campaign...

Why does Bush even need to run a campaign? We're all divided and bitterly fighting each other each other. Instead of getting angry at each other - we should be strategizing.

In my opinion - any of us should be willing to vote for the person who is standing across from Bush - and can BEST beat Bush.

[blondeatlast]

101. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

You're a brave soul to come to GD so soon! This is pretty tame, actually.

Laurel

[library_max]

128. Try a different thread

This one belongs to the loonies.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

133. Kucinich/Braun ticket...their both squeeky clean

[ima_sinnic]

80. beyond me why anyone would even give Kerry a 2nd look

IMO he's in the same league as Lieberman.
I don't know why we're even having this discussion.

if Kerry is the nominee I will abstain from voting. Kerry is nothing but the same old crap, in "patrician" guise. BushCo is just more blatant about it. I guess you figure out of sight out of mind?

[seventhson]

82. If Kerry is the nominee

I will probably vote for him.

Much as I hate to say it. I will NOT EVER vote for Bush and I WILL vote. But I hate to even say it. I pray it does not happen.

[KoKo]

90. Well, I think it's better we know the worst about our candidates hard as

it is, than to have "last minute surprises." So, while it's painful....and offputting.... and maybe there are compromises that will have to be made (big compromises for some of us) we don't want to end up with a total surprise to replace Bush. And, what we don't find out the Whore Press will........so better to let it all fall out where it may. :-(

[seventhson]

94. Thanks Koko. Kerry is the WORST IMHO

for the democrats and for Democracy.

But the heat I've taken today makes me glad that some folks here recognize that I want to defeat Bush...

I do NOT want Kerry as our candidate.

But some folks here seem to believe Kerry is golden.

Or else something darker is happening here.

I figure it is best to get the best we have to beat Bush anbd Kerry is NOT the best WE at DU have.

We have Dean

We have Kucinich

We have Gephardt

We have Braun and Edwards and even, maybe Clark.

Kerry is NOT the best we have and my thread here , I believe, demonstrates ONE or two reasons why he is the worst of the dems.

Even Lieberman would suit me better. But not by much

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

98. Or else something darker is happening? You do realize the same could

be said about you, right? How do we know that you are not Rove's invention sent here to muddy the waters? Is there any proof...you're starting to scare me :scared:

Throw one like that out and you can expect no better in return.

Yes, I think anything that could alter a candidate's ability to serve should be investigated.

However, Kerry has quite a long record of service including giving the BFEE hell so I doubt he is the anti-Christ you would make him out to be.

[KoKo]

104. We are all collectively here on DU smarter than Rove, NSMA.......we have

access to enough information to see through many plots........and we have been on top of the Bush plots since Skinner, et al put this site together........(sometimes it's dark here......and agree some folks are :scared: (scarey) but as long as we have access to Google........and folks own individual personal and regional experience.....how can Rove really manipulate us?

There are too many of us on liberal sites all over.......until they shut us down....they can't shut us up!

[Andy_Stephenson]

105. Yes Kerry has quite a record

Voted YES on renewing 'fast track' presidential trade authority.
Vote to proceed to the bill which establishes negotiating objectives for trade agreements, and renews 'fast track' trade authority for the President, which allows Congress to adopt or to reject a proposed trade agreement, but not to amend it.

Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment.
Approval of the balanced-budget constitutional amendment.

Voted YES on killing a bill for trade sanctions if China sells weapons. Vote to table an amendment that would require sanctions against China or other countries if they were found to be selling illicit weapons of mass destruction.

Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping.
Motion to table (kill) the amendment that would provide that in order to conduct roving surveillance, the person implementing the order must ascertain that the target of the surveillance is present in the house or is using the phone that has been tapped.

Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits.
Restriction of class-action security lawsuits.

Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms.
Vote on the motion to instruct conferees on the bill to insist that the conference report include Mandatory prison terms for the use, possession, or carrying of a firearm or destructive device during a state crime of violence or drug trafficking

Voted NO on cutting nuclear weapons below START levels.
would strike bill language requiring that U.S. strategic nuclear forces remain at START I levels through the end of fiscal 2000 unless Russia ratified START II.

Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP.
Vote that the policy of the US is to deploy a National Missile Defense system capable of defending against limited ballistic missile attack as soon as it is technologically possible, and to seek continued negotiated reductions in Russian nuclear forces.

Voted NO on do not require ethanol in gasoline.
Permitting new regulations which would require the use of ethanol in gasoline.

Quite telling I would say since Mrs Kerry has much money invested into oil and gas interests

Voted YES on limiting funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. This table motion would end debate on an amendment aimed at funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. Support for the motion to table is a vote against NEA funding. .

Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts.
To exclude certain items from the Congressional Gift Ban.

Voted YES on Medicare means-testing.
Approval of means-based testing for Medicare insurance premiums.

Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time.
This bill would have allowed workers to choose between overtime and compensatory time.

Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts.
Vote to pass a bill that would permit tax-free savings accounts of up to $2000 per child annually to be used for public or private school tuition or other education expenses.

Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt.
This vote limited debate on the amendment offered by Sen. Abraham (R-MI) that would have created a Social Security "lockbox" and establish limits on the public debt. .

Voted YES on telecomm deregulation.
Deregulation of the telecommunications industry.

Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq.
H.J.Res. 114; Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The administration would be required to report to Congress that diplomatic options have been exhausted before, or within 48 hours after military action has started. Every 60 days the president would also be required to submit a progress report to Congress.

Voted YES on welfare overhaul.
Approval of an overhaul on the federal welfare system.

[Andy_Stephenson]

110. Here cross reference his votes with his

and Teresa's investments...Nice and tidy sums he is voting for himself.


Edit: http://www.bop2004.org/dtaweb/bop2004/default.aspx?SECTION=CANDDET&CID=4#asset

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

116. Link please?

[Andy_Stephenson]

118. it's there.

do you see it?

[seventhson]

107. I am consistently anti-fascist. Anti BFEE

the fact that I am consistently against ANYTHING Bush, including Kerry due to his Bonesman connection - THAT should be evidence enough that I am not for Rove.

I stand on all my posts...
I support ANYONE but Bush.

Bush is a Bonesman. Kerry is a Bonesman.

How does me harping on that every day HELP Bush or Rove?

It doesn't.

I rest my case.

[Andy_Stephenson]

109. Just like me...

my litmus test has always been War, patriot Act and Homeland Gestapo. But in light of the research I've done...Kerry belongs to Rove...not seventhson.

[seventhson]

111. LMAO "Kerry belongs to Rove...Not Seventhson"

Kerry's ass is MINE now.

Actually.

Kerry is finished.

And I helped!!!

And so did YOU!

Thanks GB&C!!!

I needed that.

Kerry is PNAC/DLC Bonesman toast.

[blondeatlast]

102. Precisely--that is why I DON'T put anyone on ignore, and why I am willing

to debate even though I am still undecided about the candidates.

[Andy_Stephenson]

122. me too

Kerry is :scared:

[Booberdawg]

124. What a BUNCH!

of stuff and nonsense

CRAP!

Why anyone would go to such lengths to shatter their own integrity and credibility over such bullshit, AS A SERIOUS MEMBER OF DU, is beyond my understanding.

I have not even chosen a candidate. This is so much bullshit.

[Julien Sorel]

125. Totally, completely, nuts.

The GD forum is simply awash in garbage like this, but no one will do anything.

Infuckingcredible.

[Jose Diablo]

126. Kerry is a member

Of the Skull and Bones. This one fact alone is enough for me.

I won't be voting for Kerry.

It is my opinion that ANY member of S&B be removed from any and all government positions. All influence over government policy (including lobbies) should be denied.

[seventhson]

127. I tend to agree with you, BUT

If Kerry's modus operandi and case history did NOT look EXACTLY like a total setup by the Bonesmen (after all there is a "proud" childlike and cultish tradition that they follow to the presidency replete with intramural competitions and "debates" and one-upmanship amongst the bonesmen)- then I might have a differentr perspective about him.

If he would only RENOUNCE it.

But when you look at his proBush voting record and his manipulations of the Vietnamese real estate deal and the medals toss fakery and the home movie reeanctments of "heroic" medal winning events (where he killed a wounded and downed soldier -- or, for all we know, he shot a guy who was already dead - who knows -- he "took" the guy alone) --All of these things lead ME to conclude he has been set up for this event his whole life.

A Skull vs. Skull election for President. It is, I believe, a first in their history and I am sure they are all atwitter and abubble about it.

But with advisdors like the DLC, PONAC and Iraq war strategists as his top foreign pokicy team -- I have to say he looks like sh#t to ME.

A guy could be a skull, I suppose, and be decent. Or he could renounce it and "out" it for what it is: puerile fascism

[F.Gordon]

129. Okay........

Since I can't make a request of your S&B knowledge or bring up your previous threads......I'll stay "on message"

Shock and Awe: Acheiving Rapid Dominance

http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html

I almost regret posting this because you'll most likely use it to back up the claims of Seth Githell, that ace Journalist who theorizes that Gore caused a traffic jam in NH during the 2000 primaries so the Bradley people couldn't make it to the polls, but that's another story......

Yes, Harlan Ullman and James Wade did write on the subject of "shock and awe". They cited prior military history and based their military ideology on the fact that future wars may have to be fought this way. BTW, this was written in 1996.

one snip..

Whether in an MRC or in OOTW, we first will need to know what we want to achieve with Rapid Dominance. This is a task for political leadership which is informed with military advice concerning what is feasible, what is not, and what is uncertain. The extent of the mission must be clearly defined. Is it to defeat an enemy so it will no longer pose a threat? Do we only need to stop an adversary from carrying out a particular act? Must we control a situation entirely or only sufficiently to be able to carry out a specific mission? Can we really affect the adversary's will?

Perhaps if Ullman was actually consulting with Bush* and Rumsfeld we could have stayed out of the mess we are in now. IMHO Ullman is an excellent advisor to the Kerry campaign.

Peace.

[helleborient]

130. So very frustrating....

I would think that Dr. Funkenstein, Will Pitt, blm, etc...would know how disturbing all of this is to those of us who do question John Kerry's commitment to opposing U.S. warmongering around the world, but yet the responses to this from strong Kerry supporters has been very quiet.

Does this mean we are right to question?

I did oppose some of the Clinton administration policies as well, and saw that our forces were gaining strength in opposition to war pre-Iraq - 40% in some polls.

I, for one, do feel a real commitment in liberal foreign policy does involve a disassociation from PNAC and from war as anything but an absolute last option for dealing with trouble spots in the world - that is not what PNAC's publications say.

Why is John Kerry so quiet about all of this...does he think our concerns don't matter? The anti-war in Iraq folk are not just a small crowd huddling in a corner.

[Capn Sunshine]

131. This would be a problem IF

he was running a better campaign and stood a chance in hell against the Dean juggernaut

As it stands, he could tweak his org in time for the VP nod

or maybe he likes it just the way it is?