Next time a fundamentalist tries to argue with you about evolution...

[Stop_the_War]

and they say "I'm a human ain't no way I came from no monkeys". Ask them

"Which is more reasonable: that we and apes descended from a common ancestor or that men came from the dust of the earth and women came from the man's rib as it says in Genesis? Which one is scientifically provable?"

[DrWeird]

1. I'd rather be a grandson on an ape

than a man who's afraid of the truth.

[datasuspect]

6. apes are people too!

and they look cool in people clothes.

[fujiyama]

57. And they're funnier

than Dennis Miller and better actors than Ron Silver.

[Avalux]

2. and, tell them the next time they get sick,

to go to the creation hospital. You know, the one where they just pray for you to get better.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. That would be hilarious

Tell them they can't have any medicine or go to the emergency room. They don't believe in science. I'm Christian and love science. My favorite classes in high school were psychics and chemistry. :loveya:

[fujiyama]

58. PSYCHICS and chemistry eh?

;)

:P

Now that would be an interesting thing to verify scientifically wouldn't it?

[Zenlitened]

3. Just one clarification...

The theory of evolution does not hold that we evolved from apes. It describes how we and apes evolved from a common ancestor. That's very different. :)

[jdj]

14. then you could say to them

"yes, definitely not, but if you try hard enough, in an couple thousand years you might get there."

[ultraist]

40. Maybe you are right, maybe they are not homosapiens but the missing link!

[BBradley]

65. Thank you.

I have to clarify that whenever I get on the subject of Evolution. Such a pain in the ass to have to knock down 10 strawmen before the discussion can start.

[trotsky]

4. Or, you can ask, "Who are you to limit what God can do?"

That usually gets their head spinning.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. That would be good

To say as well. I like that. To me as a Christian God and science go hand-in-hand. God may have started the world and whatnot from the Christian faith and view point but science had a HUGE part in it. Ignoring science is impossible.

[LastDemocratInSC]

5. We didn't "come from" apes

I get the point you're making but we didn't descend from apes. They, and we, decended from the same common ancestor. Apes are on one branch, we're on another ... so to speak.

[Stop_the_War]

7. okay, i edited it

[Tux]

8. You forgot

That Adam and Eve were the only humans so, by that, we're all the results of inbreeding. Adam and Eve have kids but who do the kids mate with than each other?

[Stop_the_War]

10. exactly I always point that out to fundies..

it drives them crazy :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[FreedomAngel82]

39. LOL

Yes, cause it's true. They slept with their own brothers and sisters. Ew.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Yes, we're all the results of incest.

It's in the Bible!

[Up2Late]

12. You beat me to it; Just read the last page of Chapter 1 of Genesis...

...Then Read the first page of Chapter 2.
Then ask them, where did all those OTHER People come from?

Like "Tux" wrote, Adam and Eve had two Boys, one killed the other, that leave One. What did HE do? have sex with his mother to make all those other people that are suddenly in Chapter 2?:wtf:

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Also

Lot slept with his daughters (they seduced him). Gross.

[RebelOne]

60. Supposedly, Cain got his wife from the land of Nod. n/t

[doodadem]

13. Now there's a thought.....

Didn't Adam and Eve (trying to recall ancient Sunday School here) only have the two sons, Cain and Able? If that's the case, you have one woman, with three men......

[atreides1]

23. They had many other children

But the only ones that are named are their 3 sons, Cain, Abel, and Seth.

[Up2Late]

27. But, A "Good" Fundi believes ONLY what is written...

...in the Bible, verbatim. And Most Fundi's only use the "King James Bible", which now that I'm looking at it I see I had the chapters wrong, but the same questions exist.

Genesis Chapter 4:

Ge 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
Ge 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Ge 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass..."

Ge 4:10 "And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground..."

Ge 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Ge 4:17 And Cain knew his wife;

and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Where did this "wife" come from? :shrug:
And could you have a "city" without more than 2 people?

Seth didn't show up until Ge 4:25

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Yes

That's right. Only thing I can think of. Cause there's no other mention of a woman besides Eve. Well some people also believe in the goddess Lilith. :shrug: But according to myth Lilith was a strong woman and Adam didn't like that so that's when God brought in Eve and there you go. Of course Lilith isn't in the Bible.

[No Exit]

17. Heh!! Yeah, but inbreeding is a plus in their book!

"You might be a redneck if... your family tree has no branches."

(I love "you might be a redneck"! "You might be a redneck if you've ever taken apart an entire carburator while sitting on the toilet.")

[ultraist]

45. They are not Rednecks...

They are the missing link! :bounce:

[Solon]

22. Make it worst actually...

Eve came from Adam's rib right? Does that mean she was a female clone of him? Does that me he F**ked himself?

[Up2Late]

31. Naaa, Eve was created by God, according to the Bible

They didn't have bellybuttons either:crazy:

[FreedomAngel82]

46. What?

No bellybuttons? No bellybutton lent? Ah, what's the world coming to? LOL.

[Clark2008]

44. My 5 year old son just asked me that the other day while we

were reading the Bible.

LOL! Even my 5 year old son is smarter than wingnuts.

Of course, I told him what I was told - because it makes sense: Adam represented mankind and was the first of his kind created. However, God didn't stop there. We have no idea how long God's "seven days" were. It's a story, written so man can understand long periods of time in a short, condensed version. People weren't as educated back in Biblical days and stories were spread by telling them, not reading. It made the story of God simplier and easier to tell. The point is that you must learn all this to learn about Jesus and all His good works.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. According to my studies

our dimension is the only one with time. I saw a special about this on one of those learning channels and they had professionals who have been studying this forever. Also from what I know of spiritual realms it seems right. From what I've learned over time we use time to help keep things in order and all that. We don't know how long the days are on the other side. Time stands still over there. So for all we know seven days could be 700 years. :shrug:

[Up2Late]

56. Exactly, their is NO Way Noah was 900 years old when he died.

From the King James Ver:

Ge 9:28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

Ge 9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Or this from Genesis Chapter 11
Ge 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

Ge 11:11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years,:crazy: and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

Ge 11:13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

Ge 11:15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

Ge 11:17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, :shrug: and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

Ge 11:19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

Ge 11:21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

Ge 11:23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years,:eyes: and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

Ge 11:25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

Ge 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

Call me a skeptic, but I REALLY don't think they had 400 year old men walking around "Begetting" back then.

[The Animator]

66. When 900 years old, you reach...

... look as good, you will not.

[CrispyQ]

9. Good comeback question! I also like this argument:

If the watchmaker is so complex that he/she requires a creator/designer, then following that logic, the creator must be even more complex, therefore requiring a creator/designer & so on & so on & so on.

You end up with an infinity of creators/designers.

[EVDebs]

19. Einstein became a Freemason, I think. Wonder what his thoughts were on

this subject. Anyone know ?

[ultraist]

43. Einstein did not believe in a "Creator"

[EVDebs]

64. "God doesn't roll dice" ?

"God doesn't play dice". Albert Einstein on quantum mechanics and
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish."

[Jacobin]

15. Actually, we come from single celled protoplasm

It took a LONG time to get to the monkey stage. That's what I tell them, because its true and nothing pisses off fundies more than the truth.

[Hugin]

16. "I'm a human ain't no way I came from no monkeys".

Heh... My Mom says that. She's no fundamentalist.

Part II of the argument is always... "Well, why are
there still apes?"

She thinks we were deposited by aliens. LOL!

I just keep my ape-like mouth shut. ;)

[jdj]

18. But way before it says that in Genesis (well around a half a page)

it says "male and female he created them."

no rib, no nap, no nothing.

It's just a real sloppy cut and paste job in the editing room.

They let that little bit from the old myth slip in before Adam and
Eve were even technically created. Of course, it's the rib episode later on that we are always being assailed with.

[Clark2008]

47. I've always contended that women evolved from men, thus we're

the better model (evolution usually means more adaptability).

;) hee hee!

[jdj]

49. yes, but they are genetically altered females

scientifically speaking.

Not only that but because of the hostile environment of the testes the Y chromosome is in danger of someday mutating itself out of existence.

So this males may be a temporary mutation and who knows where we are headed. If we don't figure out parthogenesis it may be straight to extinction.

[Up2Late]

53. No, God just learned from his mistakes he made with Adam...

so NOT make them with Eve. That's why Women tend not to start Wars.;-)

[Hugin]

20. Actually S_T_W...

I've had many arguments with these types.

They INSIST Men have one rib less than Women.

NO KIDDING! I've had them count ribs and everything.

[jojo54]

55. This is a medical fact

that men DON'T have one less rib.

So they can put that in their pipe and smoke it!

[Hugin]

63. It is a fact...

But, when have facts ever gotten in the way of a fundie?

When I then confronted them with the fact the number of
ribs was the same between Men and Women their story changed.

I swear they make this crap up on the fly.

[China_cat]

21. Actually, the only people who

use the 'man from monkeys' statement are creationists.

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. Remember this quote of Thomas Huxley (Pal of Charles Darwin)

"It is just as dignified to be a modified monkey as it is to be modified dirt"

[EVDebs]

25. Gotta go see "Inherit the Wind" again with Spencer Tracy...

He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart...Prov. 11:29

Clarence Darrow vs. William Jennings Bryan had great dialog. The geologic record and science shows common DNA linkages with apes and man...

The devil is in the details, and with Gen. 15:6 it is good enough to believe, questioning HOW and those details shouldn't interfere with TGAOTU's plan to confound the wise and exalt the meek. But I could be wrong...

[Tactical Progressive]

26. Just ask: "Who made God?"

Obviously "He was just there." doesn't work, as per their own rules of 'logic'.

[ladjf]

28. The most absurd thing about trying to refute Evolution is

that everything is constantly evolving. Darwin only described one small component of the big picture. In fact, I think he was given more credit than he was due. He was describing the obvious.

One can't name anything that didn't evolve. Try it.

Existence is an array of interrelated events.

[Up2Late]

32. Was part of Darwin's theory...

...natural selection, or was that somebody else?:shrug:

[DrWeird]

51. "On the Origins of Species by Means of Natural Selection."

I'd say that's a yes.

[ladjf]

59. I don't know the answer to that.

[DrWeird]

52. Baloney. If anything, Darwin's underrated.

He didn't just "describe the obvious." What Darwin did was a textbook example of how to go about doing science. He spent decades collecting, categorizing, and interpretation before he published, And what Darwin described WAS the big picture, it's been the last 160 years of scientific research that's filling in all the little components and nooks and crannies.

[ladjf]

61. I don't disagree with your descriptions of Darwin's good

scientific methods and energy. But, thousands of other scientists in other fields who are/were equally diligent and insightful received less credit. However, I don't mind his getting credit. What I do mind is that people are pig headed enough to deny that Evolution is an obvious fact, not just the Evolution of the species, but the Evolution of everything, of which the Evolution of the species is a sub-set.

[Swamp Rat]

29. "You better look in a mirror..."

Then hand the knuckle-dragger a mirror. :)

[flaminbats]

30. everyone has the right to be stupid..

why argue against spirits and ghosts? If some are not interested in the chemistry and physics of life, why should I care?

If one accepts a fictional dreamworld as reality, let this individual suffer from all the consequences of ignorance. Let all who believe in Tooth Fairies and flying Reindeer feast on Easter Eggs and giant bunnies. O8)

[FreedomAngel82]

50. I've had my own

experiences with spirits and ghosts. Of course if I told you I've seen faeries you'd just look at me like I was nuts eh? :crazy: But hey, it's all up to our own individual walks in life and what we experience and believe.

[flaminbats]

67. no, I wouldn't assume you were nuts..

I just wouldn't ask you for scientific info, and you probably shouldn't rely on me for information on spirits and ghosts!

[ladjf]

62. I don't mind if people wish to base their life on "dreamworld

reality". I do mind it when their superstitions lead to disaster for all the rest of us as is now happening.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. ...change the subject.

[Toucano]

36. I think I've got a better one

In my experience asking "Where did Cain's wife come from?" causes them to lose it.

"Well...that's just...why...mysterious ways...YOU'RE GOIN' T'HELL!"

[Up2Late]

54. LOL

That sounds about right.

[Lexingtonian]

37. naw

I'll go with "That's not the real problem. The problem is that the human race is turning into monkeys."

[Clark2008]

38. Self-delete. I see someone also posted that we didn't descend from

"apes," up thread. Thanks!